Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

marno21 · 22-04-2020 06:58PM

Seamai wrote: »

Just watching people queuing up for Supermacs on the news, "When we heard they were open we had to come down". Keep it up lads, this is the sort of attitude that will undo any good that's been done to date and push any relaxation down the road further.

Exhibit A for anyone who thinks the pubs have a remote chance of reopening anytime soon.

ceadaoin. · 22-04-2020 06:58PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

In my reckoning I am far more at risk in a supermarket than I am chatting to my family from 4 metres away .

Are supermarkets that much of a risk though? If they were then new cases would just keep rising after "lockdowns" because most people are still going to buy food. And workers would be getting sick at high rates. That doesn't seem to be happening though.

Restaurants and fast food places are still open for takeaways, delivery and drive thru where I am too (and they are very busy) and cases are still falling. So I really don't think that those places are big vectors for transmission.

iamwhoiam · 22-04-2020 06:58PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

If people are thinking that they're not thinking it through. The point isn't that supermarkets are somehow safer, it's that food shopping is essential. Chatting to your neighbour isn't.

I agree with you about essential . But if I can stand two metres apart from strangers in a queue then I am safer at 4 metres apart from family . And this is actually where it’s changing now , I see it around me . People are talking to family from a good 4 metres away more this week than last week and I can actually see their point

gipi · 22-04-2020 06:59PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Yep. And the gloves and sanitizer at every petrol pump is now gone also at my local garage. 'Ask inside if you want some' is the sign that has replaced them.

That's possibly because people are taking it?

Family member works in a small post office that had sanitizer on the customer side of the counter. She caught a chap filling a small bottle from it for his own use!

amadangomor · 22-04-2020 07:00PM

Just in my estate, people are definitely relaxing. Group of 6 or 7 of women standing around all within a metre of each other chatting for a couple of hours in a front garden.

Next door neighbour with his cousins over for a get together. A nurse lives in the same house. Sigh!

crossman47 · 22-04-2020 07:01PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Yep. And the gloves and sanitizer at every petrol pump is now gone also at my local garage. 'Ask inside if you want some' is the sign that has replaced them.

They were probably being stolen

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 22-04-2020 07:01PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Ah I think people are getting frustrated and that's understandable. Boredom is setting in too and unless someone personally knows of someone in hospital or dead because of this it does seem not much of an obvious threat, or as much as it was. I'm certainly noticing an obvious uptick in road traffic in my neck of the woods over the last couple of days, even little things like the folks behind shop counters who were wearing masks and/or gloves last week aren't today.

We're not just spreading a virus wibbs, there is a spread of bullsh*t from many people too... suggesting that we're doing a great job and everything is grand.

What do you think this rhetoric does for people's mentality around these restrictions? People are starting to think we're out of the woods, when we're definitely not...

People spreading bullsh*t is every bit as dangerous as the virus itself... and it's coming from a reckless cohort of individuals, who never supported this lockdown... and quite honestly don't really give a damn if some folks die... they just want their pubs etc back! Their selfish agenda will cost us lives!

1800_Ladladlad · 22-04-2020 07:01PM

Groups of boyraz out today on their suspension bikes (from halfords) with their little handbags over their shoulders.

I live about a kilometre away from the Phoenix Park and every day I go out for a walk/run/cycle within the 2km zone. On one of the hotter days last week, there wasn't that many people out in comparison to what I have seen in the past two days, which were not as hot/sunny, families up to 5 all on their bikes taking up the whole paths, Cars parked in estates, families loading bikes from the car and heading on through park gates that are not open or have Garda present; Farmleigh and Blackhorse ave for example. There also is an awful a lot of people who are obviously 70+ out and about. Yesterday I lost the head after days of continuously seeing joggers & cyclists clear their noses right in the path of where people were walking or in my case, right beside them.

I have been trying to refrain from posting on thread over the past two weeks, not wanting to sound like Im watching people. I am not! It appears they observations which many others have been noticing.

iamwhoiam · 22-04-2020 07:01PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Are supermarkets that much of a risk though? If they were then new cases would just keep rising after "lockdowns" because most people are still going to buy food. And workers would be getting sick at high rates. That doesn't seem to be happening though.

Restaurants and fast food places are still open for takeaways, delivery and drive thru where I am too (and they are very busy) and cases are still falling. So I really don't think that those places are big vectors for transmission.

Good point . It does seem to be less of a danger than indoor over crowding and close contacts
I genuinely can’t see why a very loud shouty conversation from metres away can actually harm

podgeandrodge · 22-04-2020 07:02PM

Arghus wrote: »

If they were confident that there was enough facemasks for everybody they'd 100% be telling us to wear them.

They'd have to say they were wrong about community transmission being close to zero then. With zero community transmission without masks, why wear them now? (In terms of shopping/ walking outside, I'm not talking about close contact situations).

I would for example see logic in wearing on busy public transport where you are stuck and can't distance)

22-04-2020 07:03PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But sure, according to one poster as long as that's the curve flattened it's grand.

And you think ideals of democracy are more important than taking effective measures such as stopping flights, putting people in quarantine, locking down neighbourhoods with infections, and mandating masks. That's what you said a couple of days ago when I asked you if you would rather Ireland had taken those measures and you said no.

bekker · 22-04-2020 07:03PM

DOH can't even check their own publication properly!

'22 April 2020
49 new deaths and 631 new cases confirmed ...

... the HPSC has been notified that 49 people diagnosed with COVID-19 in Ireland have died, bringing the total to 769 deaths (10 deaths have been de-notified from earlier figures)
...
Location of deaths
East of Ireland 37
West of Ireland 2
North-west of Ireland 2
South of Ireland 3'
=44 ?
[Same geographical breakdown as 21st. so where were the 49 from today located

]
https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/#the-latest-news-as-of-6pm-on-wednesday-22-april-2020

Kermit.de.frog · 22-04-2020 07:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Every day the the health system can still function without having to decide who does and does not get adequate treatment is a win. That is the reality of this virus and that is why we are doing well. I can show you the flat curve on worldometers if you like

That's under severe restrictions.

This is the nature of the problem. For example say there is 300 new cases per day by May 5th - yes, the hospitals can cope but the calculation is will they cope with the surge in 3 weeks time?

That's the dilemma we all find ourselves in.

It could be there is a dramatic fall in new cases and the virus is under control by then but given the increasing lax attitude day by day (as a direct result of the population being given the impression that some big change is coming in May) it's harder to see that.

We'll have to see how this evolves in the next couple of weeks.

caveat emptor · 22-04-2020 07:04PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

631 cases is not good

Would have been hoping for a falloff at this stage

It would be good to know how many of the cases relate to nursing homes etc seeing as they have ramped up testing there

Wonder how many relate to back garden? Bit of a building boom going on at the moment. Might explain large percentage of ‘unknown’ transmission causes.

ziggyman17 · 22-04-2020 07:05PM

Looks like the lockdown is not going as planned......Lots of people breaking it and allowing their children to break it too....A lot of people sticking to the lockdown are people who cannot go to work and and are losing money as the 350 a week is no where near what they earn a week, while a lot of the lockdown breakers where I live are the ones on rent allowance, collecting jobseekers allowance, I am not saying all people on social welfare are breaking the lockdown, but where I live they are, and they do not give a s**t, they do not like being told what to do, when this is all over, the days of the year in year out handouts has to be looked at......People dying and these people just think of themselves.......

spookwoman · 22-04-2020 07:06PM

bekker wrote: »

DOH can't even check their own publication properly!

'22 April 2020
49 new deaths and 631 new cases confirmed ...

... the HPSC has been notified that 49 people diagnosed with COVID-19 in Ireland have died, bringing the total to 769 deaths (10 deaths have been de-notified from earlier figures)
...
Location of deaths
East of Ireland 37
West of Ireland 2
North-west of Ireland 2
South of Ireland 3'
=44 ?
[Same geographical breakdown as 21st. so where were the 49 from today located ]
https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/#the-latest-news-as-of-6pm-on-wednesday-22-april-2020

Its on ongoing issue with numbers not adding up etc. Bad when its a government site full of errors

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 07:06PM

Very sobering results today.
Can't pick one day as a trend so hopefully its an exception and the long term trend is downwards.
Has the deaths chart been updated?

Kermit.de.frog · 22-04-2020 07:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And you think ideals of democracy are more important than taking effective measures such as stopping flights, putting people in quarantine, locking down neighbourhoods with infections, and mandating masks. That's what you said a couple of days ago when I asked you if you would rather Ireland had taken those measures and you said no.

I have been calling for masks from the beginning and I have constantly bemoaned the coverage saying they are useless.

I have no problem with locking down infected neighborhoods either.

I draw the line at welding people in to their homes.

So, no I don't disagree with all of that.

ceadaoin. · 22-04-2020 07:07PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Good point . It does seem to be less of a danger than indoor over crowding and close contacts
I genuinely can’t see why a very loud shouty conversation from metres away can actually harm

No I don't think its a risk either tbh, its common sense. but some on here would have you sent to jail for it

Akabusi · 22-04-2020 07:08PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

We're not just spreading a virus wibbs, there is a spread of bullsh*t from many people too... suggesting that we're doing a great job and everything is grand.

What do you think this rhetoric does for people's mentality around these restrictions? People are starting to think we're out of the woods, when we're definitely not...

People spreading bullsh*t is every bit as dangerous as the virus itself... and it's coming from a reckless cohort of individuals, who never supported this lockdown... and quite honestly don't really give a damn if some folks die... they just want their pubs etc back! Their selfish agenda will cost us lives!

There is bull**** being spread from both sides, you are every bit as bad. This very post of yours is another example of it. BTW I do support the restrictions but not for a unlimited period of time. I don't support over the top hysteria from either end of the argument.

ziggyman17 · 22-04-2020 07:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I have been calling for masks from the beginning and I have constantly bemoaned the coverage saying they are useless.

I have no problem with locking down infected neighborhoods either.

I draw the line at welding people in to their homes.

So, no I don't disagree with all of that.

well then the virus will continue to spread,

snoopboggybog · 22-04-2020 07:09PM

ziggyman17 wrote: »

Looks like the lockdown is not going as planned......Lots of people breaking it and allowing their children to break it too....A lot of people sticking to the lockdown are people who cannot go to work and and are losing money as the 350 a week is no where near what they earn a week, while a lot of the lockdown breakers where I live are the ones on rent allowance, collecting jobseekers allowance, I am not saying all people on social welfare are breaking the lockdown, but where I live they are, and they do not give a s**t, they do not like being told what to do, when this is all over, the days of the year in year out handouts has to be looked at......People dying and these people just think of themselves.......

What an ignorant post saying every single person on welfare is at blame.
Back where I'm from its all the single people are breaking the lockdown and they all work having house parties.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-04-2020 07:10PM

ziggyman17 wrote: »

well then the virus will continue to spread,

You realise I mean actually welding people in to their homes, right? Like Wuhan did. It's not a figure of speech!

marno21 · 22-04-2020 07:11PM

ziggyman17 wrote: »

well then the virus will continue to spread,

The virus is going to spread anyway. The objective of the measures to date has been slowing the spread to a rate at which the health service isn't overwhelmed. Trying to eradicate the virus is borderline impossible due to its transmissability and its asymptomatic/presympomatic transmission. It's not a strategy worth pursuing.

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 07:11PM

ziggyman17 wrote: »

Looks like the lockdown is not going as planned......Lots of people breaking it and allowing their children to break it too....A lot of people sticking to the lockdown are people who cannot go to work and and are losing money as the 350 a week is no where near what they earn a week, while a lot of the lockdown breakers where I live are the ones on rent allowance, collecting jobseekers allowance, I am not saying all people on social welfare are breaking the lockdown, but where I live they are, and they do not give a s**t, they do not like being told what to do, when this is all over, the days of the year in year out handouts has to be looked at......People dying and these people just think of themselves.......

Its really hard to see where the governments strategy goes from here. We'd want to be at 100 cases a day or less before even considering relaxing a lockdown as the R0 will go up and we could be over whelmed fairly quickly.

ziggyman17 · 22-04-2020 07:11PM

snoopboggybog wrote: »

What an ignorant post saying every single person on welfare is at blame.
Back where I'm from its all the single people are breaking the lockdown and they all work having house parties.

if you read my post again then you will see that I did not say every single person on welfare is to blame,

Away With The Fairies · 22-04-2020 07:14PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Its really hard to see where the governments strategy goes from here. We'd want to be at 100 cases a day or less before even considering relaxing a lockdown as the R0 will go up and we could be over whelmed fairly quickly.

100 cases a day? We're a long way off from that.

ninebeanrows · 22-04-2020 07:14PM

They are doing serious focussed testing at the moment hence high levels of results. Big focussed testing in nursing homes at moment is cause of plateau at moment.

We are making good progress but the road ahead is long and the virus will be with us for a long time.

ziggyman17 · 22-04-2020 07:15PM

marno21 wrote: »

The virus is going to spread anyway. The objective of the measures to date has been slowing the spread to a rate at which the health service isn't overwhelmed. Trying to eradicate the virus is borderline impossible due to its transmissability and its asymptomatic/presympomatic transmission. It's not a strategy worth pursuing.

we then maybe should have followed the Swedish way of doing things, but I do not think a lot of the Irish population has the same mindset as the Swedes....I think the Irish government rightly did not trust the majority of Irish population to be savvy enough to follow the rules......

SCOOP 64 · 22-04-2020 07:18PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

100 cases a day? We're a long way off from that.

Thats the OP point.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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