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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    250 deaths in NI - 8 today, 26 others attributed since the outbreak began:

    https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/news/latest-update-covid-19-related-deaths


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    1. Deaths per million is an inconvenient truth for many of you - people are just choosing not to believe it, because they don't like the ugly truth

    No, people are suggesting that what others report as a number means the comparisons between rates is comparing apples and oranges.

    Some countries only count hospital deaths, some classify the death based on the 'underlying condition', some only classify those who tested positive while alive etc etc. Count deaths in the same manner as the UK and our rate drops by nearly 100 per million population.

    How they are counted matters and skews comparisons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    But they don't work as we were told over and over again for the last two months.

    Anyone who mentioned it were jumped down the throat of in indignation.

    Who said they dont work??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭paddythere


    Good piece for anyone interested in why black people in America seem to be suffering disproportionately with this virus. I had basically put it down to socio-economic factors but this study has changed my mind a bit

    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-10/uom-iso101716.php


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ek motor wrote: »
    Do you think that medical professionals wear them for 'psychological comfort' or effectiveness ?
    And now we are getting into the area where they are recommended and required for use but even there not for everyone. They also tend to be of a better quality.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,596 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    growleaves wrote: »
    Here are the official Coronavirus guidelines:

    1. Basically, you can’t leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.
    2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.
    3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.
    4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.
    5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.
    6. Gloves won’t help, but they can still help.
    7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it’s important to GO OUT.
    8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.
    9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.
    10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…
    11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my..
    12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it’s better not to go out, well, but no…
    13. It’s better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don’t go to parks or walk. But don’t sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).
    14. You can’t go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.
    15. If you are sick, you can’t go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.
    16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn’t wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?
    17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview starts with “I don’t want to trigger panic, but…”
    18. You can’t see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.
    19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don’t live under the same roof.
    20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.
    21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn’t say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.
    22. The virus stays in the air – well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.
    23. We count the number of deaths but we don’t know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were “almost dead” to find out if that’s what they will die of…
    24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).
    25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?

    Super stuff. Nails everything I was thinking

    I prefer the watered down version of it......The Benny Hill Virus...

    My own personal favorite, that I don't think you have is: you need to be less than 2 metres away from a person, for at least 15 minutes to contract the virus. If they spit all over you after say ten seconds, this doesn't count. The Covid-19 clock only takes effect after 15 minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Define "tons". It's a choice thing for each country. It's an inbuilt cultural thing in Asia. The Swiss are not, the French will make it a choice, none of the Scandinavians are, Spain just give out masks on transport.

    Do you have reasons why masks should not be worn?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Do you have reasons why masks should not be worn?
    From the HSE. That's the standard line from all of them.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-should-everybody-be-wearing-masks-to-combat-covid-19-1.4218062


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,204 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Italy reports 437 new deaths and 3,370 new cases.

    Deaths down, cases up.

    It's been around these figures for quite a while now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And now we are getting into the area where they are recommended and required for use but even there not for everyone. They also tend to be of a better quality.

    If you sneeze or cough, do you not think that a covering of some sort across you mouth and nose may prevent accidental contamination of air and surfaces?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Simon Harris believes that it's called Covid-19 because there's been 18 previous coronaviruses.

    Let that sink in


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    New Home wrote: »
    So why are tons of countries using them on a regular basis? Is Germany making them compulsory to make its people "feel" safer?
    ek motor wrote: »
    Do you think that medical professionals wear them for 'psychological comfort' or effectiveness ?

    The question of masks appears to be unanswered fully. If we accept the Govt position that community spread of the virus is close to zero, then it appears reasonable that current social distancing is sufficient to do this without the wearing of masks, given that only a minority wear them.

    The position with medical professionals is entirely different as they are working close to patients all the time and are, effectively, in "close contact". So therefore the masks are far more likely to protect them than protect someone casually dropping into Tesco to get some shopping, or walking up the street and keeping 6 feet away from other people.

    My take anyway!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    And 1574.455 of them are about flights.


    Curious indeed especially since flights had obviously nothing to do with the virus here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Longing


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Simon Harris believes that it's called Covid-19 because there's been 18 previous coronaviruses.

    Let that sink in

    Please tell me thats a hoax.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭kenmc


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Simon Harris believes that it's called Covid-19 because there's been 18 previous coronaviruses.

    Let that sink in

    He doesn't, surely? That's something I saw from a hillbilly redneck merican radio jockey or something recently, but can't be the minister of health here..... Can it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    If you just ignore the huge amount of deaths we're suffering... yeah we're doing great! :rolleyes:

    It's 44 days since we registered our first death from this virus.

    We are currently averaging about 16.5 deaths per day right now...

    If you go back roughly 3 weeks ago to the end of last month, we were averaging about 3.3 deaths per day.

    So no, we're not doing that well tbh... we're losing a huge amount of people to this virus considering our tiny population. And it's actually quite shocking how so many people seem to have become desensitized to these deaths occuring every single day now! :(

    I'm not being desensitized at all my heart goes out to them people who have had family passed away ,

    But taking into accounts projected numbers 16.5 a day isn't as bad as expected ,

    If you step back and look at it , its global pandemic so of course deaths will rise but my point is we have been putting up a much better fight than expected ,

    So in them terms we are doing well ,

    Unfortunately from the beginning the reality was people we know will die from this there was no question about that , it was just a matter of how much we could push back against it and I think we have done a good job ,

    Again I'm in no way saying any death is ok or any less hurtful , and my hearth goes out to anyone who has been effected by this ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    If you sneeze or cough, do you not think that a covering of some sort across you mouth and nose may prevent accidental contamination of air and surfaces?
    Well there's a protocol for that you should be following anyway. Just to clarify these are not my opinions, they come from the HSE but I accept them just as I'd accept a requirement to wear a mask if they come to that conclusion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Longing wrote: »
    Please tell me thats a hoax.

    I'm so sorry, but that is your current minister for health


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    ek motor wrote: »
    Do you think that medical professionals wear them for 'psychological comfort' or effectiveness ?

    The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control have updated their guidance on face masks' use.

    I look forward to what hairy excuse the HSE will advance now in order to justify their ridiculous stance on the public wearing masks.

    They seem to have great difficulty in admitting that they were wrong about anything.

    https://twitter.com/ECDC_EU/status/1248930341777268736


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Tubridy now one of us. His salary down to 440,000 a year now.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    gabeeg wrote: »

    Oh ffs... that's almost too dumb to be believed.

    But don't worry lads, we're in great hands with these guys at the wheel... it's all going to be A-okay!! :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    And 1574.455 of them are about flights.

    The rest are telling various science and medical professionals what they are doing wrong with Wikipedia knowledge.

    Actually only about 10% are about flights - thanks to your research ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    I'm more or less regularly listening to podcasts from this guy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5I68RvlTno

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Drosten

    He's Germany's chief Corona virus explainer and (among other things) one of the virologists that developed the current test that everybody uses...so he knows his stuff.

    In his latest podcast he mentions this:

    There were several studies done on infections in family groups (i.e. not in hospitals) and the results are the following:

    44% of transmissions of infections happen before the transmitter shows symptoms, the last day before symptoms show seems to be the most dangerous

    4 days after the first show of symptoms, transmission is drastically reduced

    1 week after the first show of symptoms, transmission effectively stops


    Now, read that again....


    ...think....


    Realise ...that most people that got infected did so without the slightest hint or pointer that they might be in danger and most transmitters had no inkling that they in fact were one.

    And that's what makes this virus so bloody dangerous and discussions about opening the pubs etc (sure, I'm grand, nothing wrong with me or my friends) so exceedingly stupid.

    and for all the bean counters and number fetishists on here...No, I don't have a bloody link or an excel file with a coloured graph to back this all up...it's a quote from a podcast from a guy that I and at least half of all Germany explicitly trusts ...mkay?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    It always seems to be at this time of the evening that the thread turns into the muppet show. What's that about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control have updated their guidance on face masks' use.

    I look forward to what hairy excuse the HSE will advance now in order to justify their ridiculous stance on the public wearing masks.

    They seem to have great difficulty in admitting that they were wrong about anything.

    https://twitter.com/ECDC_EU/status/1248930341777268736

    could=possibility
    should=suggestion to consider

    Any time they have done something they've explained it. Could and should do not mean a change of policy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well there's a protocol for that you should be following anyway. Just to clarify these are not my opinions, they come from the HSE but I accept them just as I'd accept a requirement to wear a mask if they come to that conclusion.

    Completely agree. But I do think HSE will change there view on this in time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Do we know if the mutations impact immunity or just severity? Its an important distinction. Cow pox gives immunity for small pox which was a different but related virus, so a different strain of the same virus may not impact the immune response.

    Also, even if it does, a vaccine against one strain of the virus will establish a mechanism through which subsequent strains can be dealt with in the same fashion as the flu virus. The reason we need a flu vaccine every year is because it mutates rapidly. Every year we try to anticipate which strains will be active that year and update our vaccines to include new strains without having to go through a full vaccine development programme. Once we have a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, the rollout of SARS-CoV-3/4/5 would not be such a task and be a second annual vaccine along with flu.

    Only that we will hardly ever have one. To this date there is no working vaccine against any coronavirus for humans. Not for the lack of trying, sars and mers epidemics scared people so there is research going on but as we are being told time and again that this is not just a flu - the same goes for vaccines. To this date there is no working vaccine and a lot of doctors and scientists are pretty sceptical about possibility to even develop one.
    It also has something to do with the fact that coronavirus immunity one gets after recovery from infection do not last long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    1. Deaths per million is an inconvenient truth for many of you - people are just choosing not to believe it, because they don't like the ugly truth.
    2. The complete lack of action over Cheltenham was a joke. Zero leadership - Leo the lion and his cronies were sitting with their thumbs up their butts - terrified to make a decision. And we have undoubtedly paid a big price for that in subsequent infections.
    3. Bullsh*t and you know it... they were dithering again on the paddy's day decision. The local towns made their own minds up, and cancelled themselves. Again, zero leadership skills displayed.
    4. Nursing homes a mistake? Try a MASSIVE CALAMITY... which has accounted for more than half our total deaths! And we were warned in advance from other countries - but again sat with fingers up butts until it evolved into a huge problem... Again, complete lack of leadership. (And more worryingly - complete lack of professional competence from our so-called "expert" CMO advising the "guuberment")
    5. We're still not supplying adequate PPE now... I wouldn't be holding my breath that we'll get this completely sorted at any point. Disaster! (Baring in mind there are several PPE suppliers shipping their goods out of this country to other nations - while we are buying cheap crap from China - this just compounds the ridiculousness of the situation)
    6. There is something called clear and strong leadership from elected officials... but again I won't be holding my breath waiting for this from Leo and the gang. They are followers not leaders. Slavishly going along with whatever the WHO says, despite that particular organisation making multiple screw-ups themselves!
    7. Our testing has been laughable... I'm not even going to bother responding to your piss-poor attempt at defending it. We all know how rubbish our attempt at a testing regime has been. Amateurish, like practically everything else we've been doing throughout this crisis!

    You have been told numerous times about the dangers of comparing death rates to other countries. Stop your hysterical nonsense in relation to this.
    Just how have we paid such a big price for Cheltenham? Can it be quantified? The answer is no, so again stop your hysterical nonsense in relation to this.
    Paddies day parades were cancelled so stop your hysterical nonsense in relation to this.
    Keep being hysterical about the nursing homes, they are that bad unfortunately.
    This is a global pandemic, everyone is looking for PPE, there are no reports of our frontline staff having the same issues with PPE supplies as they have in the UK or USA so stop your hysterical nonsense in relation to this.
    If we didn't follow the advice of the WHO, we would surely be in a worst situation. As things stand and compared to other countries where the health systems couldn't cope we are doing well so stop your hysterical nonsense in relation to this.
    We are now on top of the testing after a bad start so guess what, stop your hysterical nonsense in relation to this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Oh ffs... that's almost too dumb to be believed.
    :o Even though I think he's been playing a blinder, I don't know where that came from.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Completely agree. But I do think HSE will change there view on this in time.
    They might. It came from Cormican and he was quite blunt about it. If we're down to 0.5 or lower by the end of next week they probably won't.


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