Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

davedanon · 22-04-2020 01:56AM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Trump right in a way, the US economy struggling, but it's false to claim people will still social distance when everything opens up again. Old habits will sneak in. Who's going to practice social distancing with a few drinks taken on a night out? Can you really keep children apart at school for 8 hours a day?

Sorry, how is he 'right in a way'? It's not clear from your post.

ShineOn7 · 22-04-2020 02:08AM

From the Reddit user who makes all the data very easy to digest:

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New Cases: 388 Germany: N/A
Total Cases: 16041
New Death: 44
Total Deaths: 730 (*1 death de-notified)
Male: 18
Female: 26
Median Age: 87
Underlying conditions: 33

Deaths: 730
Hospitalised + died in hospital: 363 50%
Died in ICU: 47 6%
Underlying conditions: 601 (82%)
Median age: 83

Of 318 in ICU

Remain in hospital: 143 (45%)
Discharged: 127 (40%)
Died: 47 (14.80%)
Underlying conditions: 263 (83%)
Median Age: 60

As of Sunday 19th

Cases: 15464
In Hospital: 2323 (15%)
In ICU: 315 (2.0%)
Deaths: 719 (4.60%)
Clusters: 491
Account for 3447 cases
Median age infected: 48
Healthcare workers: 4180

Clusters

Residential Homes: 287
Nursing Homes: 176
Death Nursing Homes: 427 - 303 lab confirmed
Deaths Residential: 502 - 394 lab confirmed

Testing

111,584 tests - Increase in 20822
4025 positive - 19% positivity rate

Hospitalisations

816 Currently in hospital
856 Discharged
295 Deaths in hospital (And never in ICU)

ICU

156 currently in ICU
105 discharged
47 deaths

FOR EVERYONE WHO ALWAYS ASK FOR RECOVERY NUMBERS
Recoveries in community (never in hospital)

8377 recovered (55%)
Balance are still within the first 14 days

Questions

9000-10000 capacity for testing a day. 24-36 hours once a sample reaches the lab for a result

Cheerful Spring2 · 22-04-2020 02:32AM

davedanon wrote: »

Sorry, how is he 'right in a way'? It's not clear from your post.

The US economy and world economy has failed already. For the last decade it was patched with FED (Federal Reserve) QED money!

Trump knows printing money can’t endure, as it leads to eventual hyper inflation. End result of printing money nonstop a global collapse of the stock market will take place.

Capitalism has failed. Now its socialism for the rich, with bailouts and help.

Rayne Wooney · 22-04-2020 02:47AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Per million Ireland has a worse death record than the states

I read that Ireland has a worse death record than the surface of the sun, the sun ffs, cmon that thing is at least 100 degrees. I’m shocked and appalled.

fritzelly · 22-04-2020 03:39AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I read that Ireland has a worse death record than the surface of the sun, the sun ffs, cmon that thing is at least 100 degrees. I’m shocked and appalled.

In the words of Trump it's an amazing thing, a great thing, a splendid thing, one might say the best in the world, we're beating every other country

patnor1011 · 22-04-2020 04:47AM

Good luck waiting for vaccine. This virus is mutating so fast that developing vaccine may be pointless excercise or good just as a PR stunt.

Coronavirus’s ability to mutate has been vastly underestimated, and mutations affect deadliness of strains, Chinese study finds

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080771/coronavirus-mutations-affect-deadliness-strains-chinese-study

caveat emptor · 22-04-2020 06:31AM

Ok I think I haven't explained myself well yesterday (SHOCK). I think that we should provide healthcare workers with reusable respirators for two main reasons.

increased protection.
Avoiding the global rat race in procuring single use medical PPE

This type of equipment isn't generally used in hospitals although it is FDA approved. Given the scale of healthcare workers who cares about stupid approval it clearly works. Therefore there is much less burden on supply chains globally. Also unlikely to be out bid by trump. The fact they are reusable means that you don't need plane loads every two weeks.

The only downside and this is something that's become apparent with the current PPE is training. It's a cost etc in terms of time. Learning to don and doff different equipment. Also sterilising etc. I think the main benefits listed above offset this cost by a wide margin.

Also coveralls offer more protection than gowns. If someone knows Conor mcgregor or someone with a green jersey is not worth making the point? Someone needs to do cost benefit analysis. They should also factor the potential claims from workers not adequately protected by occupational health.

https://www.mlo-online.com/disease/infectious-disease/article/21128593/fda-allows-healthcare-personnel-to-use-industrial-respirators-during-covid19-outbreak

caveat emptor wrote: »

Is a specialist hospital. The A&E department infectious (pronto soccorso) in the start of the shot of this video.

Here's info from the nypost article. The fact is the level of PPE is greater. Not unlike that in China,

Question is: "Why can't we do this? especially considering over 4000 health care workers have been infected."

Unacceptable answers include:
they'll get infected anyway

it requires training

we know better.

acceptable level of HCW falling ill here.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/how-an-italian-hospital-protects-its-medical-workers-from-coronavirus/

timsey tiger · 22-04-2020 06:36AM

I wonder has the south of ireland got a weaker strain than the west and east, deaths in the south always seem a small fraction of the east ( less than relative populations) and less or on par with west even though larger population.

22-04-2020 06:39AM

I don't know much about it but I remember this article from a while back.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/genetics-shed-light-on-origins-of-irish-strains-of-covid-19-1.4221383

caveat emptor · 22-04-2020 06:43AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Good luck waiting for vaccine. This virus is mutating so fast that developing vaccine may be pointless excercise or good just as a PR stunt.

Coronavirus’s ability to mutate has been vastly underestimated, and mutations affect deadliness of strains, Chinese study finds

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080771/coronavirus-mutations-affect-deadliness-strains-chinese-study

Pretty scary. Sample size of 11 is worrying. i.e how can there be such diversity in such a small pool? With any luck the rapid evolution will hasten the milder strains dominance.

zinfandel · 22-04-2020 07:24AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Comparing the US to Ireland is not a useful comparison here. Some states are registering hardly any deaths, while other states like Connecticut which is much smaller population than Ireland registered almost 100 deaths today and over 200 yesterday. Other states like New York and New Jersey are experiencing deaths on a massive scale while Wyoming and South Dakota dont even have a dozen deaths between them

So there are many deeply affected states in the US, and others where it is under control, the average deaths between them just so happens to be similar to Ireland's

This ^^^ you said it better than I could, why do people keep on trying to compare us to the USA, we are smaller than most individual states, many of which are in serious trouble,

Allinall · 22-04-2020 08:02AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Per million Ireland has a worse death record than the states

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I read that Ireland has a worse death record than the surface of the sun, the sun ffs, cmon that thing is at least 100 degrees. I’m shocked and appalled.

I backed a horse a while ago.

It was a really good horse.

It took ten other horses to beat it into last place.

silverharp · 22-04-2020 08:04AM

bekker wrote: »

Population density, Ireland 186/mi2 v Wyoming 6/mi2 v Connecticut 738/mi2 v South Dakota 10.7/mi2.

Just reinforces that population density is one of, if not the, main driving factors of COVID-19 infections.

Connecticut as a state is more densely populated than the densest areas of Dublin City.

I was curious about that stat

Dunlin pop density 4588 per km

https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/dublin-population/

Connecticut 285 per km

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut

Worztron · 22-04-2020 08:14AM

How can there be proper social distancing on public transport? Especially for people that need to get multiple buses to work, daily.

XsApollo · 22-04-2020 08:19AM

You might not have social distancing but you can have manners and good hygiene.
Masks should be worn.
Stop coughing and in people faces,
Hand sanitizers on all transport.
No picking your nose and rubbing on the seat.
That sort of stuff.

Worztron · 22-04-2020 08:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You might be able to get a carry-out

No, I meant I hope it's closed and that the same lockdown rules applies to the politicians also - they tend to have special allowances for themselves. BTW - I don't drink.

Duke of Url · 22-04-2020 08:42AM

IS it correct that recovered stands at 9233?

WoollyRedHat · 22-04-2020 08:51AM

I said this elsewhere that we're going to start to see businesses having sophisticated ventilation systems anywhere where there is likely to be a large gathering of people in the future.

joe_99 · 22-04-2020 08:52AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

IS it correct that recovered stands at 9233?

Yes

22-04-2020 08:58AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Good luck waiting for vaccine. This virus is mutating so fast that developing vaccine may be pointless excercise or good just as a PR stunt.

Coronavirus’s ability to mutate has been vastly underestimated, and mutations affect deadliness of strains, Chinese study finds

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080771/coronavirus-mutations-affect-deadliness-strains-chinese-study

Do we know if the mutations impact immunity or just severity? Its an important distinction. Cow pox gives immunity for small pox which was a different but related virus, so a different strain of the same virus may not impact the immune response.

Also, even if it does, a vaccine against one strain of the virus will establish a mechanism through which subsequent strains can be dealt with in the same fashion as the flu virus. The reason we need a flu vaccine every year is because it mutates rapidly. Every year we try to anticipate which strains will be active that year and update our vaccines to include new strains without having to go through a full vaccine development programme. Once we have a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, the rollout of SARS-CoV-3/4/5 would not be such a task and be a second annual vaccine along with flu.

Onesea · 22-04-2020 09:23AM

Everyone seems a bit lost.I do hope things get back to normal soon or at least an attempt is made to get the economy moving again.Will give many minds somthing to focus on and some hope for the future.

22-04-2020 09:26AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I said this elsewhere that we're going to start to see businesses having sophisticated ventilation systems anywhere where there is likely to be a large gathering of people in the future.

Why?

BanditLuke · 22-04-2020 09:30AM

Onesea wrote: »

Everyone seems a bit lost.I do hope things get back to normal soon or at least an attempt is made to get the economy moving again.Will give many minds somthing to focus on and some hope for the future.

As well as giving the virus a chance to spread. That's the bottom line im afraid. Yes people are going to be more aware and take more personal responsibility in regards to social distancing etc...but more people in shops, offices, restaurants public transport etc..means we aren't going back to normal anytime soon. We will be in a harsher lockdown by the Autumn in all probability.

This will continue to haunt us until the virus decides to mutate to a less deadly version or less likely we produce a vaccine.

Speakerboxx · 22-04-2020 09:32AM

Onesea wrote: »

Everyone seems a bit lost.I do hope things get back to normal soon or at least an attempt is made to get the economy moving again.Will give many minds somthing to focus on and some hope for the future.

That is such a selfish response

Sir Oxman · 22-04-2020 09:37AM

Supermacs to reopen (cautiously) for drive-thrus, drive+collect and deliveries.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0422/1133032-supermacs/

Is there any requirement for businesses wanting to reopen to have an approved anti-infection plan in place with authorities first?
I hope including taking care of employees (ie, an employee living with someone in ill health not being forced back to work etc)

Their plan seems well thought out.

Onesea · 22-04-2020 09:38AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

As well as giving the virus a chance to spread. That's the bottom line im afraid. Yes people are going to be more aware and take more personal responsibility in regards to social distancing etc...but more people in shops, offices, restaurants public transport etc..means we aren't going back to normal anytime soon.

This will continue to haunt us until the virus decides to mutate to a less deadly version or less likely we produce a vaccine.

Honestly i disagree.Seeing as the infection rate is likey x7 times larger than previously known (as wee seen in california) this would show us the death rate to be a far lower percentage,we will have deaths but we will know whos more vulnerable and take action in them areas.

Part of fighting this virus IS people getting back to work,taking no risks with hygene in public etc.Sitting at home will not do anyone any good,the virus will burn itself out in time.

Onesea · 22-04-2020 09:39AM

Speakerboxx wrote: »

That is such a selfish response

That is a wicked post.

Onesea · 22-04-2020 09:41AM

How have the swedish death rates not gone through the roof alredy?

Stheno · 22-04-2020 09:43AM

Onesea wrote: »

How have the swedish death rates not gone through the roof alredy?

They are anti social by nature

podgeandrodge · 22-04-2020 09:45AM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Supermacs to reopen (cautiously) for drive-thrus, drive+collect and deliveries.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0422/1133032-supermacs/

Is there any requirement for businesses wanting to reopen to have an approved anti-infection plan in place with authorities first?
I hope including taking care of employees (ie, an employee living with someone in ill health not being forced back to work etc)

Their plan seems well thought out.

I think this is fair enough once they put proper process in place. A lot of takeaways have been open all along and there has been no suggestion from authorities that they are a transmission risk.

I have also noticed a couple of restaurants near me that are opening for click/collect for the weekend in the last couple of weeks.

I haven't had a burger & chips in weeks, gonna look up my nearest SuperMacs when they open up! If more than 2km still an essential journey I hope!

Edit: official statement:

https://www.supermacs.ie/supermacs-opening-stores/

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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