Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

BanditLuke · 22-04-2020 04:43PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think this is something we are very unlikely to see. It's not advice they support.

Its the lack of supply simple as that. As soon as we have enough to go around it will be compulsory.

El Weirdo · 22-04-2020 04:43PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Read an article earlier from a footballer in Italy think it was Lukaku from Inter Milan. He's convinced the whole first team squad was suffering from Covid19 at the end of December.

Oh well then, if Romelu Lukaku thinks so...

ceadaoin. · 22-04-2020 04:43PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Read an article earlier from a footballer in Italy think it was Lukaku from Inter Milan. He's convinced the whole first team squad was suffering from Covid19 at the end of December.

Well they've discovered a death in California in early February that has now posthumously been attributed to Covid 19.

https://www.businessinsider.com/santa-clara-county-california-confirms-february-coronavirus-death-first-us-2020-4

Thats 3 weeks earlier than the previous "first" known death. Its clear this thing had been circulating unnoticed for a while so perhaps its possible. We had a strange severe cold like illness in our house around that time too but I'm fully aware there are a lot of illnesses circulating at that time of year.

Surely inter Milan have the resources to be able to test the players to find out if they did have it?

22-04-2020 04:44PM

Andrew00 wrote: »

The lockdown here is over. Roads are flat out, traffic. Shops are packed like supervalu and local petrol stations. People not obliging to social distancing

Galway has always had it's share of tools even in the rural areas

podgeandrodge · 22-04-2020 04:45PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Its the lack of supply simple as that. As soon as we have enough to go around it will be compulsory.

Is it fair to say though that the lack of compulsory masks has not been shown to have assisted transmission? If the CMO has stated that community transfer is practically zero then that has been achieved via social distancing without masks no?

timsey tiger · 22-04-2020 04:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I’d be interested in how you think you ‘get rid’ of a virus (absent a vaccine that might never arrive, or take a couple of years to become available to all)

I guess we could give every Irish citizen a full hazmat suit to wear outside at all times, install an antiviral cleaning system at everyone’s door, and shut our border to all people and goods. Become entirely self sufficient as an island. And wait for it to die out. And then wait for the virus to cease existing in every other country before we come out of our hole.

NewZealand Korea

is_that_so · 22-04-2020 04:46PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Its the lack of supply simple as that. As soon as we have enough to go around it will be compulsory.

Not what they have been saying at all. Every one of them says weak evidence.

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 04:47PM

its to annoy WIBBS more than anything else

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 04:48PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Do you have any idea how difficult disease eradication is? It's only been done twice and those could even reemerge. And they were known quantities.

You think we should have eradicated a virus that we didn't even know existed six months ago?

I'm talking about Ireland and specifically strict border controls at a time of one of the most dangerous viruses in human history.

Anyone who didn't know this thing was dangerous based on the lengths the Chinese were going to had their heads firmly buried in the sand and that includes our own government.

Night after night news on the TV of doctors in full hazmats from Wuhan should have been a massive wake up call that this wasn't a mild virus but in reality something extremely lethal and dangerous.

New Home · 22-04-2020 04:48PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not what they have been saying at all. Every one of them says weak evidence.

"Safety belts and airbags don't bring to zero your chance of dying in a car crash, in fact things could go wrong and they could actually kill you".

More or less...

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-04-2020 04:50PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm talking about Ireland and specifically strict border controls at a time of one of the most dangerous viruses in human history.

Anyone who didn't know this thing was dangerous based on the lengths the Chinese were going to had their heads firmly buried in the sand and that includes our own government.

Night after night news on the TV of doctors in full hazmats from Wuhan should have been a massive wake up call that this wasn't a mild virus.

Yes, whether internationally or domestically, expecting eradication of a novel virus we didn't know about six months ago is fantasy land stuff. Yes, it's a dangerous virus. That doesn't make the job of eradication any easier. To successfully eradicate, a vaccine would really be needed, firstly. And even that might not result in eradication and probably wouldn't.

ek motor · 22-04-2020 04:50PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But they don't work as we were told over and over again for the last two months.

Anyone who mentioned it were jumped down the throat of in indignation.

I think we will eventually be following Germany's example.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 22-04-2020 04:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nonsense:
1.Deaths per million is irrelevant until all is done. Multiple different methods of reporting and we appear to be going to great lengths not to miss anyone compared to most other countries
2.Since when is Cheltenham in Ireland
3. Was Paddy's day cancelled? It was always known that these things had to be done at the appropriate time - move too early and we just move the problem by a couple of months but lose all goodwill
4. Nursing home visits - a mistake
5. PPE - China shut down for 2 months resulting in a global interruption to supply. We purchased large amounts when we could and got as much as we could. UK still cant get supply sorted
6. There is something called personal responsibility - self isolate, dont go to work sick, etc etc...."but but but the goberment never told me exactly what to do in my exact situation"
7. Rolling out a massive testing regime on the scale required from virtually zero is not a walk in the park. We have tested more per million than most countries

1. Deaths per million is an inconvenient truth for many of you - people are just choosing not to believe it, because they don't like the ugly truth.
2. The complete lack of action over Cheltenham was a joke. Zero leadership - Leo the lion and his cronies were sitting with their thumbs up their butts - terrified to make a decision. And we have undoubtedly paid a big price for that in subsequent infections.
3. Bullsh*t and you know it... they were dithering again on the paddy's day decision. The local towns made their own minds up, and cancelled themselves. Again, zero leadership skills displayed.
4. Nursing homes a mistake? Try a MASSIVE CALAMITY... which has accounted for more than half our total deaths! And we were warned in advance from other countries - but again sat with fingers up butts until it evolved into a huge problem... Again, complete lack of leadership. (And more worryingly - complete lack of professional competence from our so-called "expert" CMO advising the "guuberment")
5. We're still not supplying adequate PPE now... I wouldn't be holding my breath that we'll get this completely sorted at any point. Disaster! (Baring in mind there are several PPE suppliers shipping their goods out of this country to other nations - while we are buying cheap crap from China - this just compounds the ridiculousness of the situation)
6. There is something called clear and strong leadership from elected officials... but again I won't be holding my breath waiting for this from Leo and the gang. They are followers not leaders. Slavishly going along with whatever the WHO says, despite that particular organisation making multiple screw-ups themselves!
7. Our testing has been laughable... I'm not even going to bother responding to your piss-poor attempt at defending it. We all know how rubbish our attempt at a testing regime has been. Amateurish, like practically everything else we've been doing throughout this crisis!

is_that_so · 22-04-2020 04:53PM

New Home wrote: »

"Safety belts and airbags don't bring to zero your chance of dying in a car crash, in fact things could go wrong and they could actually kill you".

More or less...

And they are in the majority of cars in every country on that basis, not so much with the masks.

timsey tiger · 22-04-2020 04:55PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Is it fair to say though that the lack of compulsory masks has not been shown to have assisted transmission? If the CMO has stated that community transfer is practically zero then that has been achieved via social distancing without masks no?

community transmission is a euphemism for we haven't a f**king clue how they caught it., so who knows. Their figs show ct as the biggest source of infection.

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 04:56PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm talking about Ireland and specifically strict border controls at a time of one of the most dangerous viruses in human history.

Anyone who didn't know this thing was dangerous based on the lengths the Chinese were going to had their heads firmly buried in the sand and that includes our own government.

Night after night news on the TV of doctors in full hazmats from Wuhan should have been a massive wake up call that this wasn't a mild virus but in reality something extremely lethal and dangerous.

have you made over 1600 posts in this multi thread? jaysus

podgeandrodge · 22-04-2020 04:58PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

community transmission is a euphemism for we haven't a f**king clue how they caught it., so who knows. Their figs show ct as the biggest source of infection.

Not sure about that. Deaths are known to be concentrated in residential care. Their figures I thought were historical, but if they are current then I don't understand their statement about CT down to zero.

jobeenfitz · 22-04-2020 04:58PM

Onesea wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwPqmLoZA4s

A really intersting piece from a qualified source

This is over an hour long but is well worth the time. Thanks.

New Home · 22-04-2020 04:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

And they are in the majority of cars in every country on that basis, not so much with the masks.

Lack of supply isn't the same as lack of effectiveness.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-04-2020 04:58PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

have you made over 1600 posts in this multi thread? jaysus

And 1574.455 of them are about flights.

The rest are telling various science and medical professionals what they are doing wrong with Wikipedia knowledge.

is_that_so · 22-04-2020 05:01PM

New Home wrote: »

Lack of supply isn't the same as lack of effectiveness.

The latter suffers from a lack of strong evidence, but it's big on the psychological comfort. That's a positive for some people.

El Weirdo · 22-04-2020 05:01PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

2. The complete lack of action over Cheltenham was a joke. Zero leadership - Leo the lion and his cronies were sitting with their thumbs up their butts - terrified to make a decision. And we have undoubtedly paid a big price for that in subsequent infections.

What decision should "Leo and his cronies" have made about Cheltenham? And have you the figures that show exactly how many of our cases are directly attributed to people attending Cheltenham?

22-04-2020 05:02PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

defeatise unimaginative groupthink. NewZealand

Pardon?

growleaves · 22-04-2020 05:02PM

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New Home · 22-04-2020 05:06PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The latter suffers from a lack of strong evidence, but it's big on the psychological comfort. That's a positive for some people.

So why are tons of countries using them on a regular basis? Is Germany making them compulsory to make its people "feel" safer?

Gynoid · 22-04-2020 05:07PM

davedanon wrote: »

I just want to applaud all the (undoubtedly world-class) experts on here, for finding the time to post on a talkboard in addition to the trojan scientific, political, logistic, medical and administrative work that they MUST also be carrying out on behalf of a grateful nation, as evidenced by the sheer authoritative weight and profundity of the opinions they express on here. Thank you for your service.

is_that_so · 22-04-2020 05:09PM

New Home wrote: »

So why are tons of countries using them on a regular basis? Is Germany making them compulsory to make its people "feel" safer?

Define "tons". It's a choice thing for each country. It's an inbuilt cultural thing in Asia. The Swiss are not, the French will make it a choice, none of the Scandinavians are, Spain just give out masks on transport.

growleaves · 22-04-2020 05:10PM

Here are the official Coronavirus guidelines:

1. Basically, you can’t leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.
2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.
3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.
4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.
5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.
6. Gloves won’t help, but they can still help.
7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it’s important to GO OUT.
8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.
9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.
10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…
11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my..
12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it’s better not to go out, well, but no…
13. It’s better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don’t go to parks or walk. But don’t sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).
14. You can’t go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.
15. If you are sick, you can’t go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.
16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn’t wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?
17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview starts with “I don’t want to trigger panic, but…”
18. You can’t see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.
19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don’t live under the same roof.
20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.
21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn’t say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.
22. The virus stays in the air – well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.
23. We count the number of deaths but we don’t know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were “almost dead” to find out if that’s what they will die of…
24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).
25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?

gabeeg · 22-04-2020 05:10PM

Has this been posted here yet?

https://twitter.com/normaburke/status/1252940393903243265?s=20

ek motor · 22-04-2020 05:12PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The latter suffers from a lack of strong evidence, but it's big on the psychological comfort. That's a positive for some people.

Do you think that medical professionals wear them for 'psychological comfort' or effectiveness ?

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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