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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #1472
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Miike wrote: »
    I'll be first in line. I'm a frontline healthcare worker who really doesn't want to play a hand in killing off already vulnerable people. If that means risking growing a third eye, so be it, I'll do it.

    Well, that makes sense. You are at most risk and more likely to spread to vulnerable people.


  • #1473
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    droidman123 wrote: »
    No vaccines for sars or mers,both corona viruses

    They almost had a vaccine for SARS but it burnt itself out.


  • #1474
    Widdensushi
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    Trump spoke well


  • #1475
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    New Orleans metro area (population 1.2 million) has now reported at least 800 deaths, 4x times smaller population than Ireland but 10% more deaths, doesnt even include nursing home and home deaths either

    New Orleans, Detroit, NYC , Philadelphia and Boston are the most affected US cities currently. Several American urban areas on trajectory to be worse affected than any of the worst affected regions of Europe such as Lombardy ,Madrid, London or Ile de France


  • #1476
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,149 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    wakka12 wrote: »
    New Orleans metro area (population 1.2 million) has now reported at least 800 deaths

    New Orleans, Detroit, NYC , Philadelphia and Boston are the most affected US cities currently.

    Two weeks time we start seeing the death toll reaching 1 million - for Trump that would be a magnificent number, a lot of zeros, a tremendous amount of zeros


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  • #1477
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Achasanai wrote: »
    You may be right, but how to contain it from the red states? Plenty of them have big urban areas, which the virus seems to hit harder than rural areas. It does seem odd that cities like Vegas, Houston, etc don't seem to be as hard hit as cities in blue states.

    Nevada is a blue state fyi. Vegas hasn't been hit hard because we have been in lock-down since mid March, and hotels on the strip, which could have been a big source of infections, closed even before that. And it's just not that densely populated here, people aren't living on top of each other for the most part and hardly anyone uses public transport.

    We've done well. Actually based on the weird intrusive cell phone location data stats, we are one of the top states for staying at home. I expect some relaxation of the restrictions at the end of the month. If not, there will be protests here too. So many people are out of work.


  • #1478
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.businessinsider.com/2nd-coronavirus-wave-could-us-harder-than-current-outbreak-cdc-director-2020-4?utm_source=reddit.com&r=US&IR=T

    CDC director warns that secondary wave in winter may be more difficult to deal with than the current one as hospitals would have to deal with regular influenza winter which would be circulating at the same time . In some ways we were lucky that this pandemic occurred just after flu season ended, flu is in itself a significant burden on the healthcare system


  • #1479
    Away With The Fairies
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.businessinsider.com/2nd-coronavirus-wave-could-us-harder-than-current-outbreak-cdc-director-2020-4?utm_source=reddit.com&r=US&IR=T

    CDC director warns that secondary wave in winter may be more difficult to deal with than the current one as hospitals would have to deal with regular influenza winter which would be circulating at the same time . In some ways we were lucky that this pandemic occurred just after flu season ended, flu is in itself a significant burden on the healthcare system

    Would this mean a tighter lockdown in winter?


  • #1480
    Speakerboxx
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Up to 50% of British deaths are unaccounted for

    Source?


  • #1481
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,627 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Would this mean a tighter lockdown in winter?

    No. Sensible option would be to protect the people in care/nursing homes. Would be the easiest option


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  • #1482
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Speakerboxx wrote: »
    Source?

    Plenty published about it.
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-thousands-of-cases-and-deaths-in-care-homes-unreported-in-daily-updates-11973625

    50% of deaths in most countries are at home and nursing homes, this is consistent across many european countries including Ireland, Sweden and Belgium. UK has yet to report any deaths from nursing homes or home deaths, nor has Spain, Italy or the Netherlands


  • #1483
    sReq | uTeK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Two weeks time we start seeing the death toll reaching 1 million - for Trump that would be a magnificent number, a lot of zeros, a tremendous amount of zeros

    Per million Ireland has a worse death record than the states


  • #1484
    darjeeling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭darjeeling


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    SARS had billions pumped into research.

    I wouldn't be so optimistic for that, better to adapt mentally and physically than wait for hope.

    SARS was extinct in the wild within 18 months. So (1), who would make a vaccine for which there remains no need and (2) how would they conduct a phase III trial even if they did feel like making such a vaccine? You can't show a vaccine prevents infection if there's no possibility of anyone getting infected in the first place.

    And all that was 16 years ago, since which time vaccine development has advanced hugely, in large part due to the recognition of a need to develop known, tested, vaccine platforms that can quickly be adapted to newly-emerged pathogenic viruses.

    As for MERS, It's not been a huge global priority given there have only been a little over 2,000 cases worldwide (mostly in Saudi Arabia) in 8 years.
    But still, one novel technology vaccine against MERS is under development by a group at Oxford.
    It has already demonstrated efficacy in monkeys and has progressed to a successful human phase 1 trial.

    The same Oxford University group's SARS-CoV-2 candidate vaccine is based on this MERS vaccine. It using the same chimp adenovirus vector platform but has the spike protein gene from SARS-CoV-2 inserted, rather than the corresponding gene from MERS.

    Other vaccines are also well under development. The ModeRNA vaccine, which this time uses mRNA for the spike protein in their patented lipid nanoparticle vector, has progressed to phase 1 already.

    Virologists independent of these vaccine efforts are optimistic for a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. They think it's just a matter of time. And because we don't have much time, plans are being devised involving vaccine manufacturing companies, governments, even benefactors like Bill Gates, to be able to have production facilities ready for when phase III trials report.

    How effective the vaccine turns out to be in the long term isn't clear. It may be that antibodies last for years, or they may wane earlier. But even a partially effective vaccine will likely reduce or prevent the severe manifestations of disease that we are seeing right now.


  • #1485
    lbj666
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.businessinsider.com/2nd-coronavirus-wave-could-us-harder-than-current-outbreak-cdc-director-2020-4?utm_source=reddit.com&r=US&IR=T

    CDC director warns that secondary wave in winter may be more difficult to deal with than the current one as hospitals would have to deal with regular influenza winter which would be circulating at the same time . In some ways we were lucky that this pandemic occurred just after flu season ended, flu is in itself a significant burden on the healthcare system


    There will a decent overlap though, it wont be a case of add a typical case of flu numbers and add it to predicted c19 numbers. Social distancing etc will curb the spread of the winter flu too. We might have a case where regular flu sufferers are told to isolate for 2 weeks also even if they test negative for c19.


  • #1486
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Would this mean a tighter lockdown in winter?

    It means rolling lock downs as required at any given time.

    Does not have to mean blanket lock down, rather targeted and proportionate to the scale of the assault.

    The greater the threat the more strict the measures.


  • #1487
    Speakerboxx
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    Covid 20 or 21 will probably follow as the disease mutates.


  • #1488
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    billybonkers wrote: »
    So most offices in Dublin are not set up for social distancing, what happens here? We've no more space either...

    We won't be back til next year into the office. Floor plans have been analysed and it's unworkable following social distancing guidelines. Surfaces consistently will need to be wiped down etc.

    Additional considerations taken into account around insurance. May be liable if staff members or by extension their friends, family become severely unwell. Some staff have immune suppressed family members etc.

    Not a risk we are willing to take. Wfh without the fully office capability is keeping things ticking so it will be left that way.


  • #1489
    hmmm
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    billybonkers wrote: »
    So most offices in Dublin are not set up for social distancing, what happens here? We've no more space either...
    Everyone who decided to pack their staff into "open plan" spaces, or who decided on the abomination which is hot-desking, is fired.

    Haha just kidding. But they should be. Because it won't work any more.

    I don't see any way for most offices to go back. How do staff even travel on public transport?


  • #1490
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://globalnews.ca/news/6787568/quebec-coronavirus-projections-april-7/

    Quebec Canada on course to hit just above best case scenario. Best case scenario by the end of April was predicted to be 1200 deaths and worst case almost 9000 deaths.
    Currently the province of Quebec has reported around 1100 deaths. Very likely will see no more than 2000 deaths by May


  • #1491
    Padre_Pio
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    We won't be back til next year into the office. Floor plans have been analysed and it's unworkable following social distancing guidelines. Surfaces consistently will need to be wiped down etc.

    Additional considerations taken into account around insurance. May be liable if staff members or by extension their friends, family become severely unwell. Some staff have immune suppressed family members etc.

    Not a risk we are willing to take. Wfh without the fully office capability is keeping things ticking so it will be left that way.

    We're same. Definitely not back until September, staged return to work with most essential first.

    No way we can keep the space, I would assume many won't see the office until January the way things are going.


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  • #1492
    BanditLuke
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    sReq | uTeK wrote: »
    Per million Ireland has a worse death record than the states

    Yes yes but nursing homes, orange man bad etc...


  • #1493
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    US ending the day somewhere over 2,700 deaths. Don't know whether that's the highest or second highest so far. Meanwhile the Trumptard protests, whom the man baby said tonight were "practicing social distancing", continue unperturbed in select states that are way too early to relax restrictions.


  • #1494
    New Home
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Everyone who decided to pack their staff into "open plan" spaces, or who decided on the abomination which is hot-desking, is fired.

    Haha just kidding. But they should be. Because it won't work any more.

    I don't see any way for most offices to go back. How do staff even travel on public transport?


    Offices open 24 hours, people working shifts? Who knows...


  • #1495
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Yes yes but nursing homes, orange man bad etc...
    Its an unfair comparison, a small island of 5 million vs a sprawling continent of 350million.


  • #1496
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,149 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Speakerboxx wrote: »
    Covid 20 or 21 will probably follow as the disease mutates.

    The name doesn't change because it mutates


  • #1497
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Comparing the US to Ireland is not a useful comparison here. Some states are registering hardly any deaths, while other states like Connecticut which is much smaller population than Ireland registered almost 100 deaths today and over 200 yesterday. Other states like New York and New Jersey are experiencing deaths on a massive scale while Wyoming and South Dakota dont even have a dozen deaths between them

    So there are many deeply affected states in the US, and others where it is under control, the average deaths between them just so happens to be similar to Ireland's


  • #1498
    Speakerboxx
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    The name doesn't change because it mutates

    What about another form of it?


  • #1499
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Comparing the US to Ireland is not a useful comparison here. Some states are registering hardly any deaths, while other states like Connecticut which is much smaller population than Ireland registered almost 100 deaths today and over 200 yesterday. Other states like New York and New Jersey are experiencing deaths on a massive scale while Wyoming and South Dakota dont even have a dozen deaths between them

    So there are many deeply affected states in the US, and others where it is under control, the average deaths between them just so happens to be similar to Ireland's
    Population density, Ireland 186/mi2 v Wyoming 6/mi2 v Connecticut 738/mi2 v South Dakota 10.7/mi2.

    Just reinforces that population density is one of, if not the, main driving factors of COVID-19 infections.

    Connecticut as a state is more densely populated than the densest areas of Dublin City.


  • #1500
    hetuzozaho
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    Speakerboxx wrote: »
    Covid 20 or 21 will probably follow as the disease mutates.

    Can a disease mutate?

    My understanding is the virus can mutate. The virus is called SARS-CoV-2. And the disease caused by it is called COVID-19.


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  • #1501
    Cheerful Spring2
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    US ending the day somewhere over 2,700 deaths. Don't know whether that's the highest or second highest so far. Meanwhile the Trumptard protests, whom the man baby said tonight were "practicing social distancing", continue unperturbed in select states that are way too early to relax restrictions.

    Trump right in a way, the US economy struggling, but it's false to claim people will still social distance when everything opens up again. Old habits will sneak in. Who's going to practice social distancing with a few drinks taken on a night out? Can you really keep children apart at school for 8 hours a day?


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