Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Mortelaro · 21-04-2020 06:02PM

Bowie wrote: »

Absolutely nothing. You are missing the irony though.
We've people saying the above about SF for years because they were in opposition. Yet when FG come out and announce how much the relish the idea it's seemingly fine and dandy. I was all for Labour going into opposition rather than supporting FG. The opposition parties play an important role.

FYI: There are many individual politicians and parties that make up 'the left'. Unlike FF/FG who only differ as to which paymasters they look after.

You guys need to understand irony
SF were only ever at the races for government formation this year
Never at any other time

44 deaths today
ICU continues to have capacity thank God
We are flattening that curve despite SF posters here going on with Rubbish on what yesterdays figures meant in the rush to desperately scrape the bottom of the FG hate barrel

smurgen · 21-04-2020 06:04PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

You guys need to understand irony
SF were only ever at the races for government formation this year
Never at any other time

44 deaths today
ICU continues to have capacity thank God
We are flattening that curve despite SF posters here going on with Rubbish on what yesterdays figures meant in the rush to desperately scrape the bottom of the FG hate barrel

Being upset with 77 deaths being revealed at a press release is hating Fine Gael?

tipptom · 21-04-2020 06:07PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

You guys need to understand irony
SF were only ever at the races for government formation this year
Never at any other time

44 deaths today
ICU continues to have capacity thank God
We are flattening that curve despite SF posters here going on with Rubbish on what yesterdays figures meant in the rush to desperately scrape the bottom of the FG hate barrel

This whole thread was set up to scrape the bottom of the barrel about SF as if they are somehow in government.

landofthetree · 21-04-2020 06:10PM

SF should be fun for the next 4-5 years.

We have to borrow 37billion this year and next yet SF will tell us austerity isnt needed.

smurgen · 21-04-2020 06:10PM

Any sign of the private hospitals contract yet or is Leo still mulling over the details?

Mortelaro · 21-04-2020 06:11PM

tipptom wrote: »

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This whole thread was set up to scrape the bottom of the barrel about SF as if they are somehow in government.

To be fair,theres always a good bit in that particular Barrel

Fann Linn · 21-04-2020 06:14PM

landofthetree wrote: »

SF should be fun for the next 4-5 years.

We have to borrow 37billion this year and next yet SF will tell us austerity isnt needed.

Leo and MM declared only 4 days ago that austerity wasn't needed either. No tax increases as per their joint manifesto last weekend. Or are they just telling porkies?

smurgen · 21-04-2020 06:15PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo and MM declared only 4 days ago that austerity wasn't needed either. No tax increases as per their joint manifesto last weekend. Or are they just telling porkies?

Can't wait to see what they do. If they pull this one off I'll be switching sides.

Mortelaro · 21-04-2020 06:17PM

smurgen wrote: »

Any sign of the private hospitals contract yet or is Leo still mulling over the details?

I read today that private consultants were going to be down a lot
At the rate we are going,and hopefully continue, those hospitals might not be needed
24 to 36 hr turn around now from test to result
Amazing amount of work going on in 6 weeks during the worlds worst and unprecedented pandemic emergency
Fair play Ireland
A lot to be positive about

landofthetree · 21-04-2020 06:20PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo and MM declared only 4 days ago that austerity wasn't needed either. No tax increases as per their joint manifesto last weekend. Or are they just telling porkies?

Are SF still committed to their 23billion a year extra spending?

Of course FF FG are lying.

You can't tell the public the truth. They aren't mature enough to face up to the future ATM.

Austerity can come outside of personal taxes.

tipptom · 21-04-2020 06:24PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Coveny wasnt persistently sick and didnt get pleurisy
He was negative actually iirc
Coronovirus is a nasty illness and worrying even in mild to moderate cases because of its unpleasantness and not knowing where it's going with you when you are sick with it
Please behave
Theres enough codology around here without adding to it

Mortelaro wrote: »

To be fair,theres always a good bit in that particular Barrel

Your top response had a bit of decency in it so I think you let yourself down to "scrape the bottom of the barrel" criticising a party that have no decision making during this pandemic so why try and use them for that purpose at this time.

landofthetree · 21-04-2020 06:35PM

Mary Lou refusing to say how to pay for all this bar " we have to borrow".

Pathetic.

This is the clown that was celebrating an election victory (but still 47 seats short of power) while a pandemic was on the way.

blackwhite · 21-04-2020 06:36PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo and MM declared only 4 days ago that austerity wasn't needed either. No tax increases as per their joint manifesto last weekend. Or are they just telling porkies?

They're either telling porkies, or are blindly deluded.

If we're facing into a 10% fall in the economy this year and probably the end of 2021 at the earliest before things are back to close to normal, then there's no way that Govt current spending can be maintained without widening the tax base.

Only way they can get around it is if there is a major Eurobond programme that allows borrowing to fund current expenditure. IMO the most likely Europe-wide programme will restrict Eurobonds to funding capital projects only.

21-04-2020 06:40PM

I see Mary Whinge McWhinge is back.

Mortelaro · 21-04-2020 06:54PM

tipptom wrote: »

Your top response had a bit of decency in it so I think you let yourself down to "scrape the bottom of the barrel" criticising a party that have no decision making during this pandemic so why try and use them for that purpose at this time.

Most of the criticism I've had of Sinn fein support in this thread,honestly has been to say where I think they're wrong and why
Pages of it is pandemic related

Mortelaro · 21-04-2020 07:01PM

blackwhite wrote: »

They're either telling porkies, or are blindly deluded.

If we're facing into a 10% fall in the economy this year and probably the end of 2021 at the earliest before things are back to close to normal, then there's no way that Govt current spending can be maintained without widening the tax base.

Only way they can get around it is if there is a major Eurobond programme that allows borrowing to fund current expenditure. IMO the most likely Europe-wide programme will restrict Eurobonds to funding capital projects only.

The narrative from the EU is that borrowing billions to pay everyone wages etc so as to keep them at home to save lives is allowed
So I'd expect no austerity in that or the drag of it for the next year,It'll be added to the national debt pile
Once the economy gets back on track in about a year,Current budget defecit will be manageable again in jig time at projected 6 or 7% growth rates

People who get their jobs back once restrictions are lifted are not unemployed

21-04-2020 07:10PM

blackwhite wrote: »

They're either telling porkies, or are blindly deluded.

If we're facing into a 10% fall in the economy this year and probably the end of 2021 at the earliest before things are back to close to normal, then there's no way that Govt current spending can be maintained without widening the tax base.

Only way they can get around it is if there is a major Eurobond programme that allows borrowing to fund current expenditure. IMO the most likely Europe-wide programme will restrict Eurobonds to funding capital projects only.

Tend to agree but properly focused they should stimulate the economy around them. There is absolutely no shortage of worthwhile capital projects. This could be the time for a massively ambitious investment in infrastructure like rail, luases, cycleways etc.

Part of the solution to housing should be to make it easier to live in places other than the Greater Dublin area and that can only be done with proper infrastructure in regional cities.

James Brown · 21-04-2020 07:29PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

You guys need to understand irony
SF were only ever at the races for government formation this year
Never at any other time

44 deaths today
ICU continues to have capacity thank God
We are flattening that curve despite SF posters here going on with Rubbish on what yesterdays figures meant in the rush to desperately scrape the bottom of the FG hate barrel

You guys?
The irony stands. Making exceptions like you are would only stand if say SF said they relished going into opposition, which they didn't. So you are going on your opinion as regards any party ending up in opposition wanting to be there. That's guess work in every case, except with FG where Varadkar announced they relished it. So we only know for certain that of all parties, FG wanted to be in opposition.
The alternative is what, parties sitting it out and not running in elections until they get the feeling they'll win? So any party not in the top one or two is running for the craic? Give over. You realise that's FG next election. But likely that'll be different because something something.

Now you're doing the FG trick of using a crisis for the betterment of FG. That's shameful. We'll see who profits off of this crisis and who pays the bill.

James Brown · 21-04-2020 07:34PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo and MM declared only 4 days ago that austerity wasn't needed either. No tax increases as per their joint manifesto last weekend. Or are they just telling porkies?

Lads this is FF/FG. They'll do as they like and blame Covid 19 and Brexit. Not unlike how Kenny's FG were going to put an end to cronyism, quangos and change the way we do business.

Mortelaro · 21-04-2020 07:51PM

Bowie wrote: »

You guys?
The irony stands. Making exceptions like you are would only stand if say SF said they relished going into opposition, which they didn't. So you are going on your opinion as regards any party ending up in opposition wanting to be there.

Nonsense
Who pre 2020 did SF want to go into government with? Seriously

That's guess work in every case, except with FG where Varadkar announced they relished it. So we only know for certain that of all parties, FG wanted to be in opposition.

Lol labour chose opposition in 2016
It's not a new stance for an incumbent
But of course you are forgetting that FG did not close the door altogether

The alternative is what, parties sitting it out and not running in elections until they get the feeling they'll win? So any party not in the top one or two is running for the craic? Give over. You realise that's FG next election. But likely that'll be different because something something.

Teeee heeeee heeee heeee heeeee...
You're amusing
I didn't say that
The alternative to government is opposition
What I said was SF and the left didnt get a mandate to form a government

Now you're doing the FG trick of using a crisis for the betterment of FG. That's shameful. We'll see who profits off of this crisis and who pays the bill.

Dont think I mentioned FG at all in that part actually
I was just being positive
Rather than garnishing the negativity lilies like you

blanch152 · 21-04-2020 08:55PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo and MM declared only 4 days ago that austerity wasn't needed either. No tax increases as per their joint manifesto last weekend. Or are they just telling porkies?

No income tax increases and no cuts to social welfare main rates.

That leaves a lot of scope:

- increases in VAT, CGT and CAT
- increases in carbon tax and excise duties
- no indexation of bands
- no increases in social welfare
- changing entitlement rules for social welfare
- increasing PRSI
- water charges and local authority rates
- increase in property tax

blackwhite · 21-04-2020 09:22PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

The narrative from the EU is that borrowing billions to pay everyone wages etc so as to keep them at home to save lives is allowed
So I'd expect no austerity in that or the drag of it for the next year,It'll be added to the national debt pile
Once the economy gets back on track in about a year,Current budget defecit will be manageable again in jig time at projected 6 or 7% growth rates

People who get their jobs back once restrictions are lifted are not unemployed

Emergency rules will only be in place for so long.
Continuing borrowing to fund current spending once the emergency phase has passed tends not to be popular in the northern EU countries, and any attempts to access EU-backed funds to cover ongoing defects will likely be on the condition of either cutting certain spending, or widening the tax base

McMurphy · 21-04-2020 09:22PM

markodaly wrote: »

Besides, trying to make political hay or capital about people dying, is kinda sick and twisted. Its low form.

No mark, all I was doing was commenting on the reported number of deaths and how they were the highest in a single day, you said yourself I freely admitted to reading it wrong and confusing them as all dying in the one day.

However, for you, you of all people to try and accuse anyone else on this site to use the deaths of others for political hay, or capital, "sick and twisted" has to be one of the most goddam ironic and downright hypocritical pieces of sh1t I have ever read on this site in the 14 years of using it.

Hundreds of posts about the IRA victims v (/insert random loyalist paramilitaries groups/security forces etc) you just were a few steps away from getting out a few corpses and waving them about.

Political point scoring over people dying, my absolute bollocks, all the more hypocritical coming from yourself or anyone from the FG camp be it members or supporters, the high fcuking moral ground you do not get to take - I can assure you on that one.

Won't be long until hopefully this pandemic is behind us, a new election can be called and yourself and the political party you oh so emphatically cheer lead for can get out the spades and shovels and dig up a few more corpses to once again wave around to score political points, because it worked so well the last time.

21-04-2020 09:33PM

blanch152 wrote: »

No income tax increases and no cuts to social welfare main rates.

That leaves a lot of scope:

- increases in VAT, CGT and CAT
- increases in carbon tax and excise duties
- no indexation of bands
- no increases in social welfare
- changing entitlement rules for social welfare
- increasing PRSI
- water charges and local authority rates
- increase in property tax

Where are yous going to find 20billion in that??

Prsi is generally regarded as an income tax,as is usc.....telling people yous not increasing income tax and ramping up either of them is a bullshh1t half truth move??

Cant speak for rest of country,but busineeses were already closing up in my local town due to high rates,and given the amount of illegal fags about and home drinking that geos on (even before lockdown),i qs if we are not already at tipping point as regards how much can be got from those sectors

Though id love to see suger,hugge tax on take aways (junk food etc) aswell as alcohol tax move to a unit alcohol rate vs flat rate

McMurphy · 21-04-2020 09:38PM

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

Isn't he that controversial GP who advocates herd immunity as a strategy?

I see the troops have been sent out to try and discredit anyone that speaks out against the regime?

Was he the controversial GP that advocated herd immunity? Googled it, seems he wrote something about it alright.

Is he the same GP that quit because of the controversies surrounding the nursing home, of which many govt supporters in this site are agreeing with?

What's the relevance anyway, save for maybe trying to imply he's not credible on the subject?

Bang of Maurice McCabe about this - bit of the auld character assassination Colonel is it?

21-04-2020 09:44PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I see the troops have been sent out to try and discredit anyone that speaks out against the regime?

Was he the controversial GP that advocated herd immunity? Googled it, seems he wrote something about it alright.

Is he the same GP that quit because of the controversies surrounding the nursing home, of which many govt supporters in this site are agreeing with?

What's the relevance anyway, save for maybe trying to imply he's not credible on the subject?

Bang of Maurice McCabe about this - bit of the auld character assassination Colonel is it?

The fact that we are likely to see minimum of 2000 die here,and likely half in nursing homes is a black mark againest entire country,we didnt protect the most vunerable to this disease

Someone must be held to account for this mess,or we are a joke of a country

Colonel Claptrap · 21-04-2020 10:23PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I see the troops have been sent out to try and discredit anyone that speaks out against the regime?

What troops?
Who sent me out?
And from where?

This is the cringiest bout of paranoia I've seen since Matt's "FG bots on boards" thread which he subsequently deleted after much ridicule.

The big bad FG henchmen are not out to get you Mc. You can probably relax. If there were "troops" to send out, do you honestly think you would be their target? Reckon there's a file in a drawer somewhere in FG HQ with a list of your whimsical boards handles? A man can only dream...

Don't expect a serious response to your question about the doctor if you're going to lead with this hysterical nonsense. You should know better.

McMurphy · 21-04-2020 10:30PM

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

What troops?
Who sent me out?
And from where?

This is the cringiest bout of paranoia I've seen since Matt's "FG bots on boards" thread which he subsequently deleted after much ridicule.

The big bad FG henchmen are not out to get you Mc. You can probably relax. If there were "troops" to send out, do you honestly think you would be their target? Reckon there's a file in a drawer somewhere in FG HQ with a list of your whimsical boards handles? A man can only dream...

Don't expect a serious response to your question about the doctor if you're going to lead with this hysterical nonsense. You should know better.

Relax it's just a figure of speech FFS.

Are you even touching on the possibility that because he wrote something about herd immunity he's to be ignored about the current catastrophe?

If not, why did you even feel the need to mention it?

Mortelaro · 21-04-2020 10:51PM

Jesus wept :rolleyes:
Comparing bringing up a 100% correct biography of a disgruntled gp with Maurice McCabe
Apples and oranges don't cover this one
It's like comparing a lough Neagh with an Atom bomb, they're so similar

McMurphy · 21-04-2020 11:00PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Jesus wept :rolleyes:
Comparing bringing up a 100% correct biography of a disgruntled gp with Maurice McCabe
Apples and oranges don't cover this one
It's like comparing a lough Neagh with an Atom bomb, they're so similar

Are you even slightly suggesting his opinion on the nursing homes is incorrect? No skirting around the edges of the answer - a simple yes or no will do, and I stand over my comparison.

He has spoke out against the regime - is character assassination now the M.O?

You don't need to look very far on this site to discover McCabe was only a disgruntled loose canon with an axe to grind etc etc when he emerged to speak ill of what was going on at the top.

There was even a legal strategy to try and discredit him FFS.

Atom bomb and Lough Neagh my hole - you sir can get the fcuk up the yard.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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