Is it just me or have SF vanished?

aido79 · 20-04-2020 11:08PM

McMurphy wrote: »

So that means the numbers reported over the weekend were actually higher?

Not necessarily.

Example...If a person becomes ill with suspected covid19 they get tested but the results take 2 weeks to come back. However the person dies before the test result comes back. The date of their death will not be the same day as the date reported as a covid19 death.

washman3 · 20-04-2020 11:08PM

all about the mane wrote: »

Not according to the WHO.

The WHO are losing credibility by the hour and if not for the seriousness of the situation would be a total laughing stock.
At the end of this there may be lenghty prison sentences for those at the top of this inept organisation.

tikkahunter · 21-04-2020 12:06AM

aido79 wrote: »

Not necessarily.

Example...If a person becomes ill with suspected covid19 they get tested but the results take 2 weeks to come back. However the person dies before the test result comes back. The date of their death will not be the same day as the date reported as a covid19 death.

Exactly , same as reported cases . I was told I was positive yesterday but I was tested on the 26th 10 days after my initial symptoms, I got my results from the UCD lab so the official HSE ones might be in the next day or two. My positive result will go down for the day it’s confirmed even though it’s a month since I was first sick and over it by a 1/2 month. It’s the delay in confirmation, this is new to everyone involved and everyday is a learning day with this virus. Our figures would not be that bad but for the nursing homes but unfortunately that area has been a disaster and mistakes where made.

blanch152 · 21-04-2020 12:06AM

markodaly wrote: »

And they are back, peddling fake stats..

https://twitter.com/PadraigMacL/status/1251802785445806082

I suppose that's is all they are good for.
Shooting tweets from the sidelines.

Eoin O’Broin has had to delete two tweets in the last 24 hours because he didn’t understand how to calculate current costs. Had it explained to him but he still didn’t get it.

Funny how the SF thread then got taken over by posts about Covid-19 numbers.

markodaly · 21-04-2020 12:47AM

tipptom wrote: »

I think they have done okay and have made made decisions that was better than a lot of other governments but it was mostly down to the experts in the background.Bad decision from Holohan on the nursing homes when they should have been locked down to visitors.

I thought one of the biggest issues were elderly residents returning to the care homes from the hospital, and some of them brought the virus with them.

Of course, things are not rosy in the North either.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/coronavirus-northern-ireland-53-care-18116064

And the UK are engaged in a lot of massaging of the figures, something I am sure SF will point out

Anyway, nursing homes seem to be ground zero in pretty much every country.
Did anyone hear the story of the issue in the Montreal nursing home, that left 31 dead?

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0418/1132381-covid-montreal-care-home/

markodaly · 21-04-2020 12:50AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Eoin O’Broin has had to delete two tweets in the last 24 hours because he didn’t understand how to calculate current costs. Had it explained to him but he still didn’t get it.

Funny how the SF thread then got taken over by posts about Covid-19 numbers.

Well I guess its them doing something. :pac:

Like, you can give out about FF and FG but at least they are trying to form a new government...

SF had some talks with other parties for a day or so then ****ed off to the pub for the next few months.
If SF and the Greens, Labour, SD, PBP/SOL are of the left, why have they not come togethor and form some common policy document?

markodaly · 21-04-2020 12:54AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Some aspects they've done ok, others not so much. 77 deaths today is on par with Italy's highest death toll in a single day.

77 deaths vs 919..... yea on par alright.

Besides, trying to make political hay or capital about people dying, is kinda sick and twisted. Its low form.

Suckit · 21-04-2020 01:44AM

markodaly wrote: »

I thought one of the biggest issues were elderly residents returning to the care homes from the hospital, and some of them brought the virus with them.

Of course, things are not rosy in the North either.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/coronavirus-northern-ireland-53-care-18116064

And the UK are engaged in a lot of massaging of the figures, something I am sure SF will point out

Anyway, nursing homes seem to be ground zero in pretty much every country.
Did anyone hear the story of the issue in the Montreal nursing home, that left 31 dead?
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0418/1132381-covid-montreal-care-home/

The story about the 31 dead in one nursing home in Canada.
Are you relating that to all of the nursing homes in Ireland? Canada IIRC has a relatively low death rate from covid-19.

markodaly wrote: »

77 deaths vs 919..... yea on par alright.

Besides, trying to make political hay or capital about people dying, is kinda sick and twisted. Its low form.

I am pretty sure (althoughI haven't checked the figures, and only read these posts less than a minute ago) that the poster is comparing per head, and you should really read your previous posts.

McMurphy · 21-04-2020 07:10AM

markodaly wrote: »

77 deaths vs 919..... yea on par alright.

Besides, trying to make political hay or capital about people dying, is kinda sick and twisted. Its low form.

77 deaths population of 5 million
919 deaths population 60 million

In fact if we get 77 deaths in a single day, that would give us an even worse daily death toll than Italy has had this far.

Do the maths yourself.

smurgen · 21-04-2020 07:23AM

McMurphy wrote: »

77 deaths population of 5 million
919 deaths population 60 million

In fact if we get 77 deaths in a single day, that would give us an even worse daily death toll than Italy has had this far.

Do the maths yourself.

I curious as to how everytime we reach a new horrible high the numbers all of a sudden are called unreliable or something else is factoring in. Surely is the 77 includes previous day data then the days before the 77 include previous day data also?

McMurphy · 21-04-2020 07:32AM

smurgen wrote: »

I curious as to how everytime we reach a new horrible high the numbers all of a sudden are called unreliable or something else is factoring in. Surely is the 77 includes previous day data then the days before the 77 include previous day data also?

New figures were released Fri, Sat and Sunday.

New figures were also released on Monday, but they are saying they were numbers reported, not that they necessarily happened in 24 hrs from what I can gather.

Which throws the other daily death reports into jeopardy too, because them 77 (if not earlier reported) have not been factored in on other days.

The 77 deaths all over the news yesterday, if they happened over a 24hr period, well them that puts us on par with the Italians on a population scale.

It was actually explained further up the thread by bishop of hope, and still the party faithfuls aren't getting it, as mark and others have done before him have just muttered something about 77 v 919

McMurphy · 21-04-2020 07:41AM

tikkahunter wrote: »

Exactly , same as reported cases . I was told I was positive yesterday but I was tested on the 26th 10 days after my initial symptoms, I got my results from the UCD lab so the official HSE ones might be in the next day or two. My positive result will go down for the day it’s confirmed even though it’s a month since I was first sick and over it by a 1/2 month. It’s the delay in confirmation, this is new to everyone involved and everyday is a learning day with this virus. Our figures would not be that bad but for the nursing homes but unfortunately that area has been a disaster and mistakes where made.

Sorry to hear that tikka, hopefully you are now over it, and didn't suffer too much with your symptoms?

My neighbour confirmed something similar to yourself - got the official test results back as positive a few weeks afterwards, he said he still had a lingering cough as the most persistent symptom.

markodaly · 21-04-2020 07:57AM

McMurphy wrote: »

77 deaths population of 5 million
919 deaths population 60 million

In fact if we get 77 deaths in a single day, that would give us an even worse daily death toll than Italy has had this far.

Do the maths yourself.

You do know as has been pointed out to you that those 77 deaths did not occur in a single day. It has been pointed out to you, you have acknowledged this, yet you persist in the fear-mongering and fake facts.

My maths is fine, but your own stance in jumping on figures to make some political point truly tells us what type of person you are.

all about the mane · 21-04-2020 07:58AM

McMurphy wrote: »

77 deaths population of 5 million
919 deaths population 60 million

In fact if we get 77 deaths in a single day, that would give us an even worse daily death toll than Italy has had this far.

Do the maths yourself.

So even when it is pointed out to you, even when it is explained to you, you still focus on higher numbers. nice. no agenda there whatsoever :rolleyes:

all about the mane · 21-04-2020 07:59AM

markodaly wrote: »

You do know as has been pointed out to you that those 77 deaths did not occur in a single day. It has been pointed out to you, you have acknowledged this, yet you persist in the fear-mongering and fake facts.

My maths is fine, but your own stance in jumping on figures to make some political point truly tells us what type of person you are.

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markodaly · 21-04-2020 08:02AM

McMurphy wrote: »

The 77 deaths all over the news yesterday, if they happened over a 24hr period, well them that puts us on par with the Italians on a population scale.

Yes, IF it happened, so its a good thing it didn't.

McMurphy · 21-04-2020 08:04AM

markodaly wrote: »

77 deaths vs 919..... yea on par alright.

Besides, trying to make political hay or capital about people dying, is kinda sick and twisted. Its low form.

Finally got the calculator out did we, I like how the penny dropped.

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, IF it happened, so its a good thing it didn't.

Colonel Claptrap · 21-04-2020 08:07AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Eoin O’Broin has had to delete two tweets in the last 24 hours because he didn’t understand how to calculate current costs. Had it explained to him but he still didn’t get it.

Funny how the SF thread then got taken over by posts about Covid-19 numbers.

But he wrote the book on housing!!

Anyway, here comes 10 more pages on how to interpret covid numbers...in a Sinn Fein thread.

markodaly · 21-04-2020 08:10AM

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

But he wrote the book on housing!!

Anyway, here comes 10 more pages on how to interpret covid numbers...in a Sinn Fein thread.

If my aunt had balls she would be a 3-legged bull elephant. SF logic!

McMurphy · 21-04-2020 08:17AM

markodaly wrote: »

If my aunt had balls she would be a 3-legged bull elephant. SF logic!

If the same aunt developed pleurisy in her lung as a result of covid 19 would she still have been expected to show her face to the public and work away from home less she be berated as not having a great work ethic is the more pertinent question though.

aido79 · 21-04-2020 08:32AM

McMurphy wrote: »

New figures were released Fri, Sat and Sunday.

New figures were also released on Monday, but they are saying they were numbers reported, not that they necessarily happened in 24 hrs from what I can gather.

Which throws the other daily death reports into jeopardy too, because them 77 (if not earlier reported) have not been factored in on other days.

The 77 deaths all over the news yesterday, if they happened over a 24hr period, well them that puts us on par with the Italians on a population scale.

It was actually explained further up the thread by bishop of hope, and still the party faithfuls aren't getting it, as mark and others have done before him have just muttered something about 77 v 919

Nothing has changed. The deaths have always been called reported deaths. The deaths may or may not have occurred in the preceding 24 hours. This might help you understand it a bit better:

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1132271/

You are comparing apples with oranges in the Ireland v Italy figures. You aren't taking into account things such as population density which is a big factor in the worst hit areas globally. Italy is more densely populated than Ireland.

McMurphy · 21-04-2020 08:36AM

aido79 wrote: »

Nothing has changed. The deaths have always been called reported deaths. The deaths may or may not have occurred in the preceding 24 hours. This might help you understand it a bit better:

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1132271/

You are comparing apples with oranges in the Ireland v Italy figures. You aren't taking into account things such as population density which is a big factor in the worst hit areas globally. Italy is more densely populated than Ireland.

Which arguably makes our figure's more concerning.

aido79 · 21-04-2020 08:39AM

McMurphy wrote: »

If the same aunt developed pleurisy in her lung as a result of covid 19 would she still have been expected to show her face to the public and work away from home less she be berated as not having a great work ethic is the more pertinent question though.

Should the aunt have informed anyone that she had taken a test for covid19 or just said she had a head cold and then nothing for 2 weeks? She wouldn't need to show her face in public to do this.

This is the only problem non shinners have with the way Mary Lou handled it not her work ethic or the seriousness of her condition. If Leo Varadkar had symptoms of covid19 and got tested would you be happy if he said he had a head cold and failed to mention getting tested for covid19?

aido79 · 21-04-2020 08:49AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Which arguably makes our figure's more concerning.

I would argue the opposite. Less density should translate to a lower transmission rate in the community.

Bishop of hope · 21-04-2020 08:54AM

McMurphy wrote: »

77 deaths population of 5 million
919 deaths population 60 million

In fact if we get 77 deaths in a single day, that would give us an even worse daily death toll than Italy has had this far.

Do the maths yourself.

Not so, just slightly under.

smurgen · 21-04-2020 08:59AM

aido79 wrote: »

Nothing has changed. The deaths have always been called reported deaths. The deaths may or may not have occurred in the preceding 24 hours. This might help you understand it a bit better:

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1132271/

You are comparing apples with oranges in the Ireland v Italy figures. You aren't taking into account things such as population density which is a big factor in the worst hit areas globally. Italy is more densely populated than Ireland.

So they days previous to the 77 were less than what actually happened. But on the day of the 77, there would have been deaths occuring on that day not also counted.

markodaly · 21-04-2020 09:10AM

McMurphy wrote: »

If the same aunt developed pleurisy in her lung as a result of covid 19 would she still have been expected to show her face to the public and work away from home less she be berated as not having a great work ethic is the more pertinent question though.

You still dont get it do you.

Bishop of hope · 21-04-2020 09:16AM

We are gone off on a tangent here, the usual deflection from SF supporters.
Day 2 out of isolation for ML, still damn all to report on from her or her buddies.

aido79 · 21-04-2020 09:31AM

smurgen wrote: »

So they days previous to the 77 were less than what actually happened. But on the day of the 77, there would have been deaths occuring on that day not also counted.

I'm not really sure why you're having difficulty with this but maybe read the article again and take a better look at the graph of actual deaths v deaths reported to NPHE as covid19 deaths. Take for example on the 16th of April there were 13 actual deaths but 42 reported deaths. Due to delays in results through testing or autopsies the actual deaths will never match the reported deaths.

smurgen · 21-04-2020 09:37AM

aido79 wrote: »

I'm not really sure why you're having difficulty with this but maybe read the article again and take a better look at the graph of actual deaths v deaths reported to NPHE as covid19 deaths. Take for example on the 16th of April there were 13 actual deaths but 42 reported deaths. Due to delays in results through testing or autopsies the actual deaths will never match the reported deaths.

I'm not having difficulty. What I'm saying in that yesterday's actual deaths were not all reported in yesterdays numbers some are outstanding.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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