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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #872
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    overkill602 wrote: »
    shut the airport DOWN for passangers now or quarantine 14 days make travelers pay, why should anybody lockdown when we are allow airport traffic
    4 London, 1 glasglow and 1 amsterdam flight in to day

    15,000 confirmed cases here and probably a multiple of that in unconfirmed/ asymptotic cases and you think stopping no more than a couple of hundred people maximum who are coming here for urgent reasons is going to make a difference? They are all asked to quarantine anyway, and are largely irish citizens with the exception of the keeling makes crew. Airports are a complete red herring at this stage. People abroad need to get home for various reason. A poster yesterday told of someone with a father dying at and he was advised to make contact with the embassy to see how arrangements could be made to get home. Do you think it’s wrong to want to be with family when someone dies?


  • #873
    Phoebas
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm still trying to understand why we don't have state quarantine for people coming in, how Keelings fruit is more important than Irish people who are told not to travel beyond 2k but they can get workers in from another country.
    The 2k limit is for taking exercise. It doesn't apply to travelling to or from work.
    owlbethere wrote: »
    We're looking at an economic depression here. There was no need whatsoever for Keelings to fly people in from abroad. They could have aimed for students to work for them.
    They didn't get takers for those jobs here.


  • #874
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    overkill602 wrote: »
    shut the airport DOWN for passangers now or quarantine 14 days make travelers pay, why should anybody lockdown when we are allow airport traffic
    4 London, 1 glasglow and 1 amsterdam flight in to day

    How many passengers were on those flights and for what purpose were they travelling?


  • #875
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    wE cAnt CoMpeTe wIth aSiA


    https://twitter.com/Inevitable_ET/status/1252408959035600900

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #876
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    Phoebas wrote: »
    The 2k limit is for taking exercise. It doesn't apply to travelling to or from work.


    They didn't get takers for those jobs here.

    Come back and tell us the hourly/weekly rate and the deduction for room and board! No one else seems to be able to figure this out, which is why no one here is taking the jobs.


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  • #877
    overkill602
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭overkill602


    Deleted User wrote: »
    15,000 confirmed cases here and probably a multiple of that in unconfirmed/ asymptotic cases and you think stopping no more than a couple of hundred people maximum who are coming here for urgent reasons is going to make a difference? They are all asked to quarantine anyway, and are largely irish citizens with the exception of the keeling makes crew. Airports are a complete red herring at this stage. People abroad need to get home for various reason. A poster yesterday told of someone with a father dying at and he was advised to make contact with the embassy to see how arrangements could be made to get home. Do you think it’s wrong to want to be with family when someone dies?


    Bollocks... I came through Dublin airport from the far east 4 week ago 2 other airports check temp none at dublin did voluntary quarantine
    Since coming back those airports are NOT allowing anybody in without enforced quarantine difference is our dead are rising
    Whats is the point of a lockdown with a back door open
    fcuk the lockdown its not working better to open like Sweden even they are doing better than us


  • #878
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    overkill602 wrote: »
    Bollocks... I came through the airport form the far east 4 week ago 2 other airports check temp none at dublin did voluntary quarantine
    Since coming back those airports are NOT allowing anybody in without enforced quarantine difference is our dead are rising
    Whats is the point of a lockdown with a back door open
    fcuk the lockdown its not working better to open like Sweden even they are doing better than us

    Did you go into voluntary quarantine? Becasue that's what people are being asked to do. Take so personal responsibility. That why some Asian countries are coping so well. They dont wait for the goberment to do everything for them.

    10 flights arriving in dublin for the rest of today. 2 from inside Ireland. Probably likely less than 200 combined on all flights for the rest.
    2 flights from Ireland to the US today even though they are supposedly closed. Some essential travel will always be required. Who do you think is coming here?


  • #879
    OscarMIlde
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    take everything wrote: »
    As I say, and as my mother would say, most of these experts don't have a ****ing clue really. I really do feel they just like being on the telly.

    Your man, an immunologist not a breeze on him, doing a complete 180 on masks and only offering the lame "just following the standard advice" line when anyone with a couple of braincells could look critically at such advice and dismiss it.

    Claire was worse not pressing him on this lack of critical thinking. This fella is a professor ffs

    I'm still flabbergasted about him proclaiming back in March that asymptomatic transmission was a 'gamechanger' that had just come out that day, when the possibility had been mooted by the Chinese back in January.


  • #880
    Phoebas
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    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Come back and tell us the hourly/weekly rate and the deduction for room and board! No one else seems to be able to figure this out, which is why no one here is taking the jobs.
    Everything you need to know here.
    Pickers are paid a pick rate with a backstop of the minimum wage. €95 a week for accomodation.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/g2r0z5/i_am_a_bulgarian_who_has_worked_for_keelings_in/&ved=2ahUKEwjn-Ymk9vjoAhWjunEKHV0GBPQQFjAEegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw13G0jcSRrOTssw5IszmhPx


  • #881
    Poorside
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    overkill602 wrote: »
    Bollocks... I came through Dublin airport from the far east 4 week ago 2 other airports check temp none at dublin did voluntary quarantine
    Since coming back those airports are NOT allowing anybody in without enforced quarantine difference is our dead are rising
    Whats is the point of a lockdown with a back door open
    fcuk the lockdown its not working better to open like Sweden even they are doing better than us


    Is this the same Sweden that have a test rate of 7,000 per million? Against ours of 18,000 per million? Yeah they're doing great.


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  • #882
    OscarMIlde
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    Arghus wrote: »
    I read somewhere that the virus probably isn't too bothered about mutation, because it's doing fine. It's spreading through the world like shyte through a goose!

    Mutation is a random event, it's not something the virus has control over. What is true is there is less selective evolutionary pressure on this virus since it has hit a sweet spot were transmission occurs prior to serious illness, thus maximising it's potential to spread.


  • #883
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    overkill602 wrote: »
    Bollocks... I came through Dublin airport from the far east 4 week ago 2 other airports check temp none at dublin did voluntary quarantine
    Since coming back those airports are NOT allowing anybody in without enforced quarantine difference is our dead are rising
    Whats is the point of a lockdown with a back door open
    fcuk the lockdown its not working better to open like Sweden even they are doing better than us

    https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1252344273938219011/photo/2


  • #884
    Gynoid
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    silverharp wrote: »
    wE cAnt CoMpeTe wIth aSiA


    https://twitter.com/Inevitable_ET/status/1252408959035600900

    Not good.
    There are other stories, some good some bad.
    150 Tunisian workers voluntarily quarantined themselves in their factory to make enough masks for Tunisia
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-52068520
    Meanwhile some factory owner diwn in Durban, SA locked in his workers to force them to make masks.
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/durban-factory-owner-arrested-after-claim-workers-forced-to-make-masks-1.4215342%3fmode=amp

    One thing I hope that comes from all of this is that far more people realise deep down how much exploitation is at the foundation of our lifestyles.
    Another which would probably have me classed as right wing is how much we need to bring back production of goods to local places.
    Global corporatism has not served anyone except the wealthiest planeteers.


  • #885
    OscarMIlde
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Blood donors in Sweden found 11% of people had antibodies and these would have been regarded as healthy people to give blood.

    Antibodies against what though? They seem to be looking at IgG and IgM, which are not specific to this virus. They are likely picking up anybody with any kind of current infection and possibly people with allergies and autoimmune conditions as well. I'd take any of these antibody papers with a pinch of salt as there is no highly specific antibody test as yet against this.


  • #886
    silverharp
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    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    Antibodies against what though? They seem to be looking at IgG and IgM, which are not specific to this virus. They are likely picking up anybody with any kind of current infection and possibly people with allergies and autoimmune conditions as well. I'd take any of these antibody papers with a pinch of salt as there is no highly specific antibody test as yet against this.

    the best thing I have heard a commentator say in all this is that "there are no facts"

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #887
    Hector Savage
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    Brilliant from Bill Maher .



  • #888
    Danzy
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    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    Mutation is a random event, it's not something the virus has control over. What is true is there is less selective evolutionary pressure on this virus since it has hit a sweet spot were transmission occurs prior to serious illness, thus maximising it's potential to spread.

    Asymptomatic version may now have a better chance of spreading as more serious ones are git by lockdowns and isolation.


  • #889
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    There isn't an "asymptomatic" version.


  • #890
    Neamhshuntasach
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    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Come back and tell us the hourly/weekly rate and the deduction for room and board! No one else seems to be able to figure this out, which is why no one here is taking the jobs.

    Mates wife works from them in a hiring role and was telling us how it works in a group chat. They are hired through a 3rd party and the contract is with them. They supply the workers. So the workers aren't hired directly. Flights, accommodation and food is paid for. The pay for work is an "agricultural wage" whatever that means. Works out slightly under 4.50 an hour according to him. And there was little interest in hiring anyone from here because they would have to pay minimum wage at least.


  • #891
    caveat emptor
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    Gynoid wrote: »
    You do not seem to understand the part whereby a portion of the deaths NOTIFIED tomorrow, the next day and the next day etc will apply to today. You are putting a ( I would say political) spin on things. If the numbers dead have always been the numbers notified then one can follow that as a trend in itself . And not suddenly start dividing out figures between past days when things look bad.
    You cannot have your cake and eat it.

    If they could send the deaths to Germany to be counted two weeks later they probably would. Then tell us no point looking at them they are in the past.


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  • #892
    Funsterdelux
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    Gynoid wrote: »
    Not good.
    There are other stories, some good some bad.
    150 Tunisian workers voluntarily quarantined themselves in their factory to make enough masks for Tunisia
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-52068520
    Meanwhile some factory owner diwn in Durban, SA locked in his workers to force them to make masks.
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/durban-factory-owner-arrested-after-claim-workers-forced-to-make-masks-1.4215342%3fmode=amp

    One thing I hope that comes from all of this is that far more people realise deep down how much exploitation is at the foundation of our lifestyles.
    Another which would probably have me classed as right wing is how much we need to bring back production of goods to local places.
    Global corporatism has not served anyone except the wealthiest planeteers.

    Having manufacturing more localised is not rightwing nor leftwing, its just plain logical. Take solar panels for instance
    most solar panels and batteries are now produced in China – where the power grid is three times as carbon-intensive and 50% less energy efficient than in Europe.
    source

    And if you consider that across all mass produced chinese tat, including the phone Im using(id happily pay more for a phone produced in europe without planned obsolescence built in.) Then we in the West are installing "green technology" to try and reducing our carbon footprint, but at the same time we re not.

    And then theres the "green economy", if we could just start by consuming less, but that wouldnt suit the large multinationals and their lobbying politicians


  • #893
    overkill602
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    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    Mates wife works from them in a hiring role and was telling us how it works in a group chat. They are hired through a 3rd party and the contract is with them. They supply the workers. So the workers aren't hired directly. Flights, accommodation and food is paid for. The pay for work is an "agricultural wage" whatever that means. Works out slightly under 4.50 an hour according to him. And there was little interest in hiring anyone from here because they would have to pay minimum wage at least.


    Years ago i picked fruit on school hols was paid by the weight think same may apply


  • #894
    caveat emptor
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    overkill602 wrote: »
    Years ago i picked fruit on school hols was paid by the weight think same may apply

    Luckily we don't do child labour any more and we have minimum wage to prevent owners tipping the scales :D


  • #895
    Phoebas
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    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    Mates wife works from them in a hiring role and was telling us how it works in a group chat. They are hired through a 3rd party and the contract is with them. They supply the workers. So the workers aren't hired directly. Flights, accommodation and food is paid for. The pay for work is an "agricultural wage" whatever that means. Works out slightly under 4.50 an hour according to him. And there was little interest in hiring anyone from here because they would have to pay minimum wage at least.

    This guy (Bulgarian agricultural worker who worked in Keelings for the last 3 years) says the average worker earns €480 a week.

    They pay a pick rate, but no less than minimum wage. He paid €95 p/w for accomodation.

    https://amp.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/g2r0z5/i_am_a_bulgarian_who_has_worked_for_keelings_in/


  • #896
    caveat emptor
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Ok very well. I don't agree with you that there is no conclusive evidence to believe it is something more that a respiratory disease. I believe there is a lot of evidence to date that shows that.

    I do agree that the picture is incomplete and will change. Erring on the side of caution is warranted. This study is from 3 days ago.




    510313.jpg

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30920-X/fulltext

    Speaking of specific immune response. This paper from 3 days ago speaks to that. Worth a read. Main thing I read is the viral sepsis aspect and affect on other organs. (not a doctor). Sharing if helpful. From doctors in wuhan, China.
    Immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and viral sepsis
    It has been shown that proinflammatory cytokines and chemokines including tumour necrosis factor (TNF) α, interleukin 1β (IL-1β), IL-6, granulocyte-colony stimulating factor, interferon gamma-induced protein-10, monocyte chemoattractant protein-1, and macrophage inflammatory proteins 1-α were significantly elevated in COVID-19 patients.16, 17 Like in a severe influenza infection, the cytokine storm might play an important role in the immunopathology of COVID-19.


  • #897
    timsey tiger
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Asymptomatic version may now have a better chance of spreading as more serious ones are git by lockdowns and isolation.

    There is no "asymptomatic version". There are a handful of strains all kill some infected people and leave others asymptomatic. We don't fully understand why but certain factors such as age, health status etc. are strongly correlated with the severity of the outcome.


  • #898
    Nermal
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    Jesus christ, that's just so depressing on such a grand scale.

    Are there any other nation's gobshites doing this, or is it just American ones?

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/protests-worldwide-demand-an-end-to-stay-at-home-orders-39144011.html

    "Protests have also erupted in Brazil, Kenya, Paris, parts of Russia, India, Lebanon and Iraq."

    Supression is not compatible with democracy. There were protests in China, for god's sake.


  • #899
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Looking at he diagram above.Seeing as this virus is potentially much worse than all other corona virus..why was it labelled as a corona virus in the first place?
    We dont fully understand the virus but it seems to kill old and already sick people-that sounds like all other illnesses out there.


  • #900
    caveat emptor
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    Nermal wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/protests-worldwide-demand-an-end-to-stay-at-home-orders-39144011.html

    "Protests have also erupted in Brazil, Kenya, Paris, parts of Russia, India, Lebanon and Iraq."

    Supression is not compatible with democracy.

    Maybe so. I don't think any of those countries are particularly democratic.
    • Russia and Brazil do have a powerful oligarch class that can buy opinion pretty easily through Facebook etc.
    • Lebanon and Iraq have significant external forces happy to sow havoc
    • France loves a good protest.
    • India is fvcked due to shear scale of population.


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  • #901
    petes
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    Onesea wrote: »
    Looking at he diagram above.Seeing as this virus is potentially much worse than all other corona virus..why was it labelled as a corona virus in the first place?
    We dont fully understand the virus but it seems to kill old and already sick people-that sounds like all other illnesses out there.

    Seeing as it's a corona virus.....


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