Relaxation of restrictions

Del Griffith · 20-04-2020 06:50AM

GSBellew wrote: »

Letting people go as far as they want risks moving the virus from a high infection,area to a lower infection area, increasing the spread, distancing is not 100% effective, it reduces the risk, but doesn't completely eliminate it.

The restrictions are not intended to eliminate it, no one intends to eliminate it, the only goal is to delay it and slow it down.
Some posters here seem to forget this important point.

We are all getting it, just more slowly and it drips and drabs. That's the plan now and always has been.

Idbatterim · 20-04-2020 06:58AM

A good comment from the journal. I am getting increasingly sick of this bull****, it's as I feared. There is one thing Irish government excel at, doing nothing to solve problems... with the pubs, youd wonder could they be opened, but only weekend and from like 6-11pm , keeping drinking local , bouncers throw out any one acting the idiot, you could order by text and have drink brought to your table perhaps...

7hours ago

@Martin Scaldbag: I think the accusation might be made that it is also possible that those in positions of power (like Harris ) are also getting conditioned to a new norm where they might be too comfortable with the level of control they are being allowed to hold over the country – I for one don’t like the way the messaging on really really important issues start creeping into the narrative – for example the amount of livlihood that will be destroyed if as they started to message over the weekend that pibs may not reopen until a vaccine is found – possibly after xmas – that is a very significant blow for ireland – not just the social aspect but the attraction to visitors and ancillary businesses around leisure sectors – to throw that narrative out over the weekend in a hap-hazard was very wrong in my opinion – the public have been taking the medicine and effective in flattening the curve but they will lose pubic support if they start power tripping and being way too conservative in how they restart the economy – people are able to watch other countries like germany who are taking a measured balanced approach to re-opening their economy – they need to do better on how they communicate around these key issues – people accepted the huge ramp up of police check points and new emergency legislation leading up to easter and it transpired that they were not doing nearly half as much attention on nursing homes (where half of the deaths and most vulnerable victims for covid are based ) – so they need to be more self aware of their position – the public expect that taking severe lockdown measures for 5 weeks is precisely so we do not kill the economy of Ireland over long drawn out periods – they need to do a bit better and be more measures and explaining the plans by sector from may 5th onwards imo – the finger wagging will wear thin very quickly otherwise.

Idbatterim · 20-04-2020 07:07AM

JRant wrote: »

What is Harris playing at?
I mean seriously, has the man no clue for what his role is and what he's doing.
He gives an interview and starts making outlandish claims like that and then turns around afterwards and said they were just his "opinion" and he will now to the superior knowledge of the CMO and his team.

Who in the name of jaysus is actually running the country right now?

These are very worrying times, where the acting government have handed over the reigns of the country to a bunch of unelected academics and a less than stellar CMO, who's previous track record would have seen him marched out the door in a functioning society.

I think they could they be signing off on their own death warrant, fg I mean. Patience is starting to run thin, like you say, are we meant to listen to the same incompetent fools here, who you wouldn't have trusted to run a bath a few weeks ago...

It's as I feared here on this forum weeks ago, they are incapable of making any decision that they feel isht the easiest way out. I'm not prepared to be a prisoner for months more to be honest , which is what they are proposing and they are kite flying to gauge the publics reaction!

completedit · 20-04-2020 07:11AM

JRant wrote: »

What is Harris playing at?
I mean seriously, has the man no clue for what his role is and what he's doing.
He gives an interview and starts making outlandish claims like that and then turns around afterwards and said they were just his "opinion" and he will now to the superior knowledge of the CMO and his team.

Who in the name of jaysus is actually running the country right now?

These are very worrying times, where the acting government have handed over the reigns of the country to a bunch of unelected academics and a less than stellar CMO, who's previous track record would have seen him marched out the door in a functioning society.

What's with the hordes genuflecting to this Holohan character? Heard some people describe him as Saint Tony :rolleyes: I believe time won't be very kind to him when the true ramifications of this becomes clear.

Although, to be fair, Majority of economists have backed the need for this lockdown approach(for whatever that's worth) but we need to get real. Hospitality and pubs and bars and whatever else are huge parts of what gives peoples lives an outlet and provides thousands of jobs and government tax receipts, just closing them down for some indefinite amount of time is bogus. We learn to live with all sorts of ailments that have potential to be fatal. CV is now another potentially but it's just that, potential. We are all going to die one day, some sooner than others. We can't stop all life as we know it for everyone. We could but the ramifications of doing that are even more potentially catastrophic than the virus itself

Idbatterim · 20-04-2020 07:16AM

completedit wrote: »

What's with the hordes genuflecting to this Holohan character? Heard some people describe him as Saint Tony :rolleyes: I believe time won't be very kind to him when the true ramifications of this becomes clear.

He is the insurance policy , if it goes wrong, the likes of varadkar will say " we followed best advice" nobody elected that fear mongerer, do what you clearly cant do, but at least try and LEAD!

20-04-2020 07:20AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

............... with the pubs, youd wonder could they be opened, but only weekend and from like 6-11pm , keeping drinking local , bouncers throw out any one acting the idiot, you could order by text and have drink brought to your table perhaps...

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Opening pubs for a limited number of hours at the weekend is very high risk. There'd be queues outside half of them and then loads of folk leaving all at the same time.

Idbatterim wrote: »

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It's as I feared here on this forum weeks ago, they are incapable of making any decision that they feel isht the easiest way out...........

Announcing the restrictions so far wasn't the easy way out. And keeping some of them in place isn't the easy way out either.

Easy way out would be to open schools on May 05th along with pubs, restaurants and all other businesses. That's the easy way out.

Idbatterim wrote: »

................I think they could they be signing off on their own death warrant, fg I mean .........

They are no doubt aware that lots of the restrictions are unpopular. There's a need over the coming weeks and there has been for the last 5 or so to make the right decisions, even if they are unpopular.

Idbatterim · 20-04-2020 07:23AM

I mean people that most of the population have zero respect for, incapable of making decisions or planning. They expect us now basically to just stay as is, until a vaccine is available, they have said, without being as direct about it. They are kite flying to gauge public reaction.

They think they are being prudent, many are starting to realise, if they didn't before, how wreckless this bull**** is starting to become !

People having civil liberties removed by a few unelected people and already highly publicly risked figures, varadkar and harris the boy scouts, it's not going to end well.

I can work remotely, plan on getting out of here as soon as is reasonably possible and working from Spain etc if possible, being a prisoner here while other countries allow a semblance of normality ...

facehugger99 · 20-04-2020 07:25AM

completedit wrote: »

What's with the hordes genuflecting to this Holohan character? Heard some people describe him as Saint Tony :rolleyes: I believe time won't be very kind to him when the true ramifications of this becomes clear.

The mouth-breathers currently cheering him will need villain to blame when it starts to become clear the extent that we have wrecked the economy. The first time SW rates are cut will be interesting.

Quantum Erasure · 20-04-2020 07:27AM

Should we allow pubs open 24 hours to avoid crowded streets at closing time? I've heard worse ideas

20-04-2020 07:28AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

........They expect us now basically to just stay as is, until a vaccine is available, they have said, without being as direct about it. They are jite flying to gauge public reaction.............

They don't expect that at all IMO.

I'd suggest you wait until May 05th and see what restrictions they ease. Comments like the one I've quoted are nothing but scaremongering. There are loads of essential workplaces open, loads of so called non essential can no doubt open also once they can implement social distancing, that's crucial.

We need to be aware that the 2m social distancing thing is likely with us longterm. That doesn't mean we need to stay as is, until a vaccine is available.

There's lots of middle ground.

20-04-2020 07:31AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The mouth-breathers currently cheering him will need villain to blame when it starts to become clear the extent that we have wrecked the economy. The first time SW rates are cut will be interesting.

Holohan was if anything appearing as wildly optimistic on Friday when RT interviewed him IMO.

RT asked him can we expect schools to open in September and Holohan was very positive and suggested even sooner was likely.

Idbatterim · 20-04-2020 07:31AM

Augeo wrote: »

They don't expect that at all IMO.

I'd suggest you wait until May 05th and see what restrictions they ease. Comments like the one I've quoted are nothing but scaremongering. There are loads of essential workplaces open, loads of so called non essential can no doubt open also once they can implement social distancing, that's crucial.

We need to be aware that the 2m social distancing thing is likely with us longterm. That doesn't mean we need to stay as is, until a vaccine is available.

There's lots of middle ground.

Get ready for another few weeks of this crap , another few week extension on fifth may. Kicking the can down the road, is an Irish government speciality.

20-04-2020 07:35AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Get ready for another few weeks of this crap , another few week extension on fifth may. Kicking the can down the road, is an Irish government speciality.

I think we'll see some restrictions eased on May 05th, and they'll be focused on a balance of low risk and best return. Non essential workplaces reopening. Like DIY shops and restaurants that can accommodate the 2m thing.

You won't see pubs open on weekend nights as you suggested though.

If you include social distancing as this crap, then yes, we'll have loads more of that.

The number of new cases per day I reckon will be about 250/day in another 10 days and falling, that will allow opportunity to ease restrictions that will allow more workplaces to open. That will provide more people movement and will be a step in the right direction. they'll have to see where that goes then regarding new cases etc.

Preserving life will take priority as it has so far.

The chan chan man · 20-04-2020 08:02AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Get ready for another few weeks of this crap , another few week extension on fifth may. Kicking the can down the road, is an Irish government speciality.

Well they have to kick the can. This whole situation is being played by ear by the entire world!

20-04-2020 08:34AM

I don't really see the major problem with pubs when compared to schools, workplaces, and public transport.

Why are they so much worse?

theological · 20-04-2020 08:35AM

The chan chan man wrote: »

Well they have to kick the can. This whole situation is being played by ear by the entire world!

There are a lot of countries in Europe easing restrictions. The pressure will grow. The same is true in respect to the UK. More and more pressure is being put on the government to explain an exit strategy.

And this is only right. The public are lending the government support to come up with alternative arrangements. Eventually if the public see that time has been wasted it will be hard to keep discipline.

completedit · 20-04-2020 08:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't really see the major problem with pubs when compared to schools, workplaces, and public transport.

Why are they so much worse?

My sister tells me we "have" to go to work, we don't "have" to go the pub.

Gael23 · 20-04-2020 08:42AM

theological wrote: »

There are a lot of countries in Europe easing restrictions. The pressure will grow. The same is true in respect to the UK. More and more pressure is being put on the government to explain an exit strategy.

And this is only right. The public are lending the government support to come up with alternative arrangements. Eventually if the public see that time has been wasted it will be hard to keep discipline.

It could be that the HSE are waiting to see the experience of other countries lifting restrictions over the next week or so

facehugger99 · 20-04-2020 08:43AM

Give someone a hammer and all their problems start to look like nails.

We have given these unelected virologists the ultimate hammer and they have proceed to wreck the economy with it. It is a breathtaking dereliction of duty from our Government.

It has been a spineless response by Ministers more concerned with their 'likes' on social-media than with providing leadership and making tough decisions. Kite-flying has replaced strategy.

VonLuck · 20-04-2020 08:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't really see the major problem with pubs when compared to schools, workplaces, and public transport.

Why are they so much worse?

People and alcohol aren't always a good mix.

20-04-2020 08:45AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Give someone a hammer and all their problems start to look like nails.

We have given these unelected virologists the ultimate hammer and they have proceed to wreck the economy with it. It is a breathtaking dereliction of duty from our Government.

It has been a spineless response by Ministers more concerned with their 'likes' on social-media than with providing leadership and making tough decisions. Kite-flying has replaced strategy.

Bit of a paradox there to be fair.
Wrecking the economy isn't a tough decision.
Mmmmmmmmmmm

road_high · 20-04-2020 08:45AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The mouth-breathers currently cheering him will need villain to blame when it starts to become clear the extent that we have wrecked the economy. The first time SW rates are cut will be interesting.

The €350 per week thing must be coming to an end soon. Things will really bite once those people are reduced to Jobseekers I reckon.
Thought Harris was an idiot going off script like that at the weekend. And I would vote for FG. It’s not the time for his pontificating

Wanderer78 · 20-04-2020 08:45AM

facehugger99 wrote:

We have given these unelected virologists the ultimate hammer and they have proceed to wreck the economy with it. It is a breathtaking dereliction of duty from our Government.

Ah shur fcuk lives, the economy is far more important!

pjohnson · 20-04-2020 08:45AM

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0419/1132490-transplant-surgery-paused/

And the damage done by this lockdown
The lockdowners don’t get it , they are backing a plan that will actually ruin children’s lives

Have any "open uppers" explained this gem yet? Any quality insight from the Journal maybe?

20-04-2020 08:48AM

completedit wrote: »

My sister tells me we "have" to go to work, we don't "have" to go the pub.

Yeah, but you're at work for forty hours sharing photocopiers and fridge handles and circulating aircon. Add another few hours on public transport. Then compare that to sitting in a pub..

Very few people will "have to" go to work. They're at work already if it's an essential service.

pjohnson · 20-04-2020 08:48AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah shur fcuk lives, the economy is far more important!

Sure what do medical experts know about this. Should listen to the elected Healy Rae's instead.

Stateofyou · 20-04-2020 08:49AM

road_high wrote: »

The €350 per week thing must be coming to an end soon. Things will really bite once those people are reduced to Jobseekers I reckon.
Thought Harris was an idiot going off script like that at the weekend. And I would vote for FG. It’s not the time for his pontificating

Didn't they say the Covid payment was for 12 weeks? Where did you hear "soon."

Kivaro · 20-04-2020 08:52AM

Apparently, Alan Ahearne, who is an adviser to the Central Bank, wants us all to pay an extra €1 for a pint and a €10 Covid supplement for a meal when they start to relax the restrictions and pubs and restaurants eventually open up again.
This is a bad idea.

And probably an example of a rich person who is out of touch with reality adding further financial pain and punitive measures on the "regular folk".
More here.

JRant · 20-04-2020 08:53AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Rant by name, rant by nature.
He said throughout the piece last night that medical advice will and is guiding everything they do.

What are you annoyed about, that they are following medial advice, in relation to dealing with a pandemic? Or what is it exactly?

It's quite simple for me. I don't want to be governed by a small number of unelected officials. Call old fashioned but a government should take responsibility for their actions and not continually deflect to some "higher power".

I also have a huge problem with how FG have communicated during this entire thing. Remember, schools/creches were closed with absolutely no warning for parents to try make alternative arrangements. Now we have the drip drip kite flying communication style that FG have perfected over the past few years. It leads to confusion, and is completely unhelpful to the rest of us in try to make some sort of arrangements for the next few months.

What we need are clear guidelines and metrics as to what can open, when it can open and why it may have to be rolled back. This is not complicated stuff and has surely been part of their strategic group meetings for at least a couple of weeks now. They were able to wrangle a policy document together with FF for forming a minority government in this time so I would assume they have some sort of a plan in place to start lifting restrictions. Otherwise, IMO it stinks of using a crisis to further the party than actually leading the country in these uncertain times.

JoeA3 · 20-04-2020 08:53AM

Simon Harris is getting much too fond of the sound of his own voice imo. Why is he continually feeding the hacks in the likes of the Indo and the Journal sound bytes. He’s popping up everywhere.

There should be one clear message from the powers that be, fed to the national broadcaster and Harris should be keeping his bloody opinions to himself outside of that.