Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Drumpot · 19-04-2020 03:15PM

deisedevil wrote: »

Or is it that they just couldn't manage the amount of requests. It wasn't that the criteria was too wide at all and they just needed an excuse to reduce the amount of requests maybe? How many people have had it but were told no test would be done because they didn't meet the new criteria.

I think the real truth is that the labs weren't prepared and how could they be. The systems to support them weren't ready and that's also understandable. The reagents ran out and more could not be sourced quick enough, a worldwide problem which was not the fault of anyone here. The hope was that they were going to test far more and when they realised that wasn't possible they said the criteria was too wide. Ideally we would have been testing far more. I can't stand the dishonesty since the testing started. There's been loads of spin around it and it would have been far better to have been more open and hon est. People would have been more understanding than they think I would say.

A lot of people can’t handle the truth and prefer a beautiful lie so they can relax.

In Early February in these threads , people were accusing us of scaremongering just for discussing the potential for it coming to Ireland. I still can’t get over that there are still some people quoting Trump Horsesh*t or flu as some sort of examples of how this has been all overblown. We just don’t know at this time.

I’d love to hear the thinking from HSE, but I do wonder what would of been reaction had they held their hands up completely. How would that of gone down? Would that of helped people’s anxiety’s? Would it of calmed down more people ? Was it potentially more damaging ? Do the public need to know every bad decision that goes wrong? We need to be able to trust the authority’s but also trust that sometimes the blunt truth is not in the best interests of public safety.

I can’t answer those questions or if the right calls have been made and while people are correct to question and be angry, if they pause to reflect it may not be as clear cut as you think.

stephenjmcd · 19-04-2020 03:16PM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1251873966853160960?s=20

That tweet is not accurate now. Hes updated its 10,000 per day.

spookwoman · 19-04-2020 03:17PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That tweet is not accurate now. Hes updated its 10,000 per day.

Thanks doing catch up and saw it. You would think he would have deleted it

expectationlost · 19-04-2020 03:18PM

gabeeg wrote: »

It wasn't too wide at all. They were turning away people with covid.

they turning people away in late March when the restricted the criteria I'm talking about before that. Having test testing criteria too wide led to all the reagent that we did have being used up.

stephenjmcd · 19-04-2020 03:18PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Thanks doing catch up and saw it. You would think he would have deleted it

You'd have thought so, surprised nobody asked for clarification when it was said this morning to start with

spookwoman · 19-04-2020 03:19PM

No operations report for today from hse site

Drumpot · 19-04-2020 03:20PM

deisedevil wrote: »

The nursing home problems had occurred in other countries. We could have prepared for that in advance. We didn't. The ball was dropped there and quite a large one. That's the biggest problem I have. Nursing homes were screaming out for help and were being ignored.

I’d go further back to the obvious Cheltenham bullsh*t time bomb and not taking steps much sooner but mistakes will be made. We have to accept this is part of the process. Once they fix the mistakes we move onto the next mistake/issue because that’s what’s gonna keep happening until an obvious way of handling this (including vulnerable areas within the system that we probably haven’t thought of yet) is perfected.

I won’t excuse mistakes being made, I suppose I just remember Dr Aylward saying weeks ago that a lot of mistakes happen at the start of a pandemic. It might feel like it’s been ages but this is still just the start of the pandemic. You are right that the protection of nursing homes was bad, but it’s also fair to say that unfortunately mistakes are expected early on in these outbreaks.

expectationlost · 19-04-2020 03:20PM

deisedevil wrote: »

Or is it that they just couldn't manage the amount of requests. It wasn't that the criteria was too wide at all and they just needed an excuse to reduce the amount of requests maybe? How many people have had it but were told no test would be done because they didn't meet the new criteria.

I think the real truth is that the labs weren't prepared and how could they be. The systems to support them weren't ready and that's also understandable. The reagents ran out and more could not be sourced quick enough, a worldwide problem which was not the fault of anyone here. The hope was that they were going to test far more and when they realised that wasn't possible they said the criteria was too wide. Ideally we would have been testing far more. I can't stand the dishonesty since the testing started. There's been loads of spin around it and it would have been far better to have been more open and hon est. People would have been more understanding than they think I would say.

they set the criteria not the public. The criteria they used in early March was wider then the one the WHO recommended..

spookwoman · 19-04-2020 03:20PM

??? - Deleted looks like hse is at home in the bedroom
https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1251893127046193152?s=20

JP Liz V1 · 19-04-2020 03:20PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Reinfection or relapse?

Sorry for my ignorance but is there a difference, basically it is getting the virus again

JP Liz V1 · 19-04-2020 03:24PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Possibly related to blood clotting.

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1251178889713516545

There's an American theatre actor having to get his leg amputated, he has coronavirus, Nick Cordeno

Cork Boy 53 · 19-04-2020 03:25PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I just tuned in to the Downing St presser.
I don’t know who the speaker is but having the virus surely can’t be as painful as listening to him. He is dreadful!

Gavin Williamson the UK education secretary.

New Home · 19-04-2020 03:26PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Sorry for my ignorance but is there a difference, basically it is getting the virus again

Relapse is when the virus is still in your body but either "dormant" or under a detectable threshold. Reinfection is when your body is completely clear of the virus, but catches it a second time.

ElTel · 19-04-2020 03:28PM

gabeeg wrote: »

I'm not criticising the gov here. I'm criticising your point.

You said they allowed the virus to spread to an extent before dealing with it. I'm telling you that this would mean they allowed for people to die unnecessarily.

So if you're here to praise their actions perhaps you should revise how you're doing it, because currently you're praising them whilst also saying they allowed people to die.

That's not true if the government's plan is long term. They are assuming this is wave 1 of the pandemic and that it would be around for a considerable amount of time.

bekker · 19-04-2020 03:34PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That tweet is not accurate now. Hes updated its 10,000 per day.

It was the HSE, not Fergal Bowers, that gave the 1,000 figure, it was the HSE not Fergal Bowers that had to later correct the figure to 10,000.

Your post appears to indicate that the error originated with Fergal Bowers.

Cork Boy 53 · 19-04-2020 03:37PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There's an American theatre actor having to get his leg amputated, he has coronavirus, Nick Cordeno

He is Canadian actually.

Michael Dwyer · 19-04-2020 03:39PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Possibly related to blood clotting.

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1251178889713516545

Like something you'd be sent to St. Clabberts for.

Larbre34 · 19-04-2020 03:40PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I just tuned in to the Downing St presser.
I don’t know who the speaker is but having the virus surely can’t be as painful as listening to him. He is dreadful!

They are all dreadful and incompetent in the UK Govt.

13 times our population, approaching 30 times the death rate. Absolute sh1t show over there. I worry greatly for the social order of more deprived areas of the UK in the coming month.

Cork Boy 53 · 19-04-2020 03:43PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

They are all dreadful and incompetent in the UK Govt.

13 times our population, approaching 30 times the death rate. Absolute sh1t show over there. I worry greatly for the social order of more deprived areas of the UK in the coming month.

As the UK authorities are only counting hospital deaths from the virus the true death toll is far higher than the officially confirmed numbers.

Larbre34 · 19-04-2020 03:53PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

As the UK authorities are only counting hospital deaths from the virus the true death toll is far higher than the officially confirmed numbers.

Quite so. A calamity in the making.

stephenjmcd · 19-04-2020 03:53PM

bekker wrote: »

It was the HSE, not Fergal Bowers, that gave the 1,000 figure, it was the HSE not Fergal Bowers that had to later correct the figure to 10,000.

Your post appears to indicate that the error originated with Fergal Bowers.

My bad if it came across like that, was just saying he had updated the tweet. I know it's a hse issue, said it in another post I dont know how nobody questioned the figure given this morning

JP Liz V1 · 19-04-2020 04:00PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

He is Canadian actually.

Whoops my bad sorry

wakka12 · 19-04-2020 04:02PM

Large numebrs of graves being dug outside Sao Paolo in anticipation of coronavirus peak
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/south-america/brazil-digging-large-scale-graves-ahead-of-coronavirus-peak-20200419-p54l70.html

Wombatman · 19-04-2020 04:06PM

You want to give the people managing this crisis the benefit of the doubt. You want to believe they are smart people who have the countries best interests at heart.

Then you hear they are considering opening schools for one day a week.

Beyond dumb IMHO. You may as well open them every day in that case for flip sake.

Duke of Url · 19-04-2020 04:08PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Large numebrs of graves being dug outside Sao Paolo in anticipation of coronavirus peak
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/south-america/brazil-digging-large-scale-graves-ahead-of-coronavirus-peak-20200419-p54l70.html

Same is being done on our island.

Shadylou · 19-04-2020 04:10PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Same is being done on our island.

Where?

Danzy · 19-04-2020 04:11PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Well in the highly unlikely event that you're correct, that's borderline criminal behaviour from the government and would lead to countless unnecessary deaths and injury.

They are minimizing death and damage.

They aren't miracle workers.

They are following medical guidelines and expert opinion.

They won't care about how you view it, their job is to minimize damage and loss of life.

New Home · 19-04-2020 04:13PM

Shadylou wrote: »

Where?

There's a makeshift mortuary being set up near Heuston Station. Source: someone I know who can see it from his window.

MeTheMan · 19-04-2020 04:14PM

Shadylou wrote: »

Where?

Rumor I heard was Longford. I laughed it off tbh.

Duke of Url · 19-04-2020 04:16PM

Shadylou wrote: »

Where?

Antrim

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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