Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

paddythere · 19-04-2020 12:41AM

CucaFace wrote: »

We wont need a to wait for a vaccine IMO.

I think the route back to a nearly normal life will be :

Complete mass testing available to the public with quick results to see if you have it or more importantly if you already have had it thus hopefully meaning you are immune ( i know this isnt proven either but its more then likely the case)- and the use of a proven anti viral drug ( Remdesivir perhaps is the best hope so far) to help with a high % of those who then get the severe cases .

If these are both in place then surely we can start getting back to normal if we can see that a far larger number have got the virus then is being officially reported ( reports from the USA today that it may be a factor of 50- 80 times higher based on one sample of the pop in California) and that we can treat a high % of the worst cases with the anti viral drug then this would really bring the death rate down to a % probably as low as a bad flu would kill.

So we need the anti body tests and anti viral drugs to be widely available which hopefully can be done in the short to medium term to hopefully allow us to get back to life before a vaccine is ready and before the whole economy is destroyed..

Something like that will probably happen in the likes of Germany, Japan, South Korea etc. but you know exactly how that will play out over here: Cluster**** after cluster****

JP Liz V1 · 19-04-2020 12:43AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Good improvisation here

Is that a vegetable, an onion?

Michael Dwyer · 19-04-2020 12:43AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I suspect the nursing home situation is going to get far worse before it gets better.

Deaths are the ultimate metric of how we are doing.

I don't like the 'exclude the nursing homes and we're doing fine' line.

They are human beings the same as the rest of us. I wouldn't be a huge Ricky Gervais fan but he made some good points on the LLS last night. He said look we're all heading for old age, if we're lucky. More than half of us will be in care homes, some of us will live out our lives at home. But none of us who think we're essential to the economy or some way invincible are immune to growing old.

No use praising ourselves on imagined success in community transmission when we've let down the most vulnerable in society.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 19-04-2020 12:44AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Easy to be unaware of any condition until it's nearly to late, my wife's uncle was putting the fact that he was getting leg cramps down to getting older as he cycled into work every day.

When he did eventually go to the doctor about it he was eventually diagnosed with heart issues and is on tablets due to increased risk of heart attack. He's a non smoker, healthy eater and had a job as a gardener with the council before he was diagnosed.

Paradoxically, sometimes being healthy and having a good lifestyle can damage a person because they take longer to get checked out because nobody think it could possibly be anything serious due to their lifestyle. Healthy-living is great but many people (even some doctors) do think it’s a forcefield against ill health when a certain percentage of ill health is down purely to bad luck. Living well lowers risk but doesn’t eliminate it.

s1ippy · 19-04-2020 12:44AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is that a vegetable, an onion?

Looks like Pak Choi, an onion would be very acidic to have over your respiratory system!

BorneTobyWilde · 19-04-2020 12:45AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9gLwGbWHkI

New Home · 19-04-2020 12:45AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is that a vegetable, an onion?

Fennel.

Michael Dwyer · 19-04-2020 12:46AM

fin12 wrote: »

Anyone who tries to speak the truth on this thread is silenced.

Pure c*nts on this thread.

And I don’t need to be told not to post again cause I’ve removed myself.

Are you ok fin? I know exactly where you're coming from. But mind your mental health.

These forums are full of a lot of stressed people, with differing opinions, but don't read any malice into any posts. I don't think anyone intends that.

s1ippy · 19-04-2020 12:47AM

New Home wrote: »

Fennel.

So it is, I would love some of that for the polytunnel actually.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9gLwGbWHkI

Obv reading lyrics off a sheet, kills the buzz for me every time.

JP Liz V1 · 19-04-2020 12:48AM

Andrew00 wrote: »

How the f*ck do they not know if you get get re-infected with this virus?

Has there been anyone in Irelands who's got the virus, recovered and then got it again

There has been reinfected cases in Italy and China, I think none here so far

Some symptoms differ in cases so some could have had it twice (although was it proven there is no different strains?)

Michael Dwyer · 19-04-2020 12:49AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Paradoxically, sometimes being healthy and having a good lifestyle can damage a person because they take longer to get checked out because nobody think it could possibly be anything serious due to their lifestyle. Healthy-living is great but many people (even some doctors) do think it’s a forcefield against ill health when a certain percentage of ill health is down purely to bad luck. Living well lowers risk but doesn’t eliminate it.

I've had 2 healthy friends in their 30s who died because they never had lived with sickness. Very true.

You're the girl with the big C? How are you doing?

fritzelly · 19-04-2020 12:49AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There has been reinfected cases in Italy and China, I think none here so far

Some symptoms differ in cases so some could have had it twice (although was it proven there is no different strains?)

There has been no confirmed cases of reinfection
Now if someone came back as being reinfected with a different strain that would be something else.

JP Liz V1 · 19-04-2020 12:50AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Looks like Pak Choi, an onion would be very acidic to have over your respiratory system!

Yes true, I really need to learn my veg

Kermit.de.frog · 19-04-2020 12:52AM

Spain to extend lock down until at least May 9th.

JP Liz V1 · 19-04-2020 12:53AM

fritzelly wrote: »

There has been no confirmed cases of reinfection
Now if someone came back as being reinfected with a different strain that would be something else.

It could have been on a thread here but I was sure I read that they was cases of patients who got the virus again in both China and Italy

Minnie Snuggles · 19-04-2020 12:54AM

Andrew00 wrote: »

How the f*ck do they not know if you get get re-infected with this virus?

Has there been anyone in Irelands who's got the virus, recovered and then got it again

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Dr. Zhong Nanshan FRCPE FRCP FRCPI age 83… a weightlifter and the public face of China's virus containment efforts. He was sent to Wohan to sort out the problem there in January and locked down the city 2 days later.

It is not yet known if people who think they have recovered from the virus may still have very low levels of the virus (so low that they are undetectable in tests) may have a relapse or whether the "relapse" is a re-infection.

endacl · 19-04-2020 12:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And while I'm at it, why the **** does this website block out the world ****? Embarrassing in this day and age. Grow up DeVore.

Do you mean the word **** or the word ****? I mean, I totally understand your frustration with not being allowed to us the word ****, but if we let people say ****, what’s next? ****? ****? Or even ****? On the other hand, **** in the right context would be OK. But never combined with ****.

Michael Dwyer · 19-04-2020 12:56AM

Watching a documentary on 1918 flu pandemic.

Masks mandatory in San Francisco. A few people who didn't wear them were shot! San Francisco had the lowest death rates in the states. Amazing how we can't learn. It's as if we think we're too sophisticated to learn from 100 years ago.

PTH2009 · 19-04-2020 12:57AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Lots of big names but it aint Live Aid

Elton John on now - sounding like he doesn't have his teeth in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjMqd6KqXg

I'll watch the highlights and then rewatch this stream when I found out when my favourites were on it

Too full of fakeness and 'look how great I am inside by big **** off house'

fritzelly · 19-04-2020 12:58AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

It could have been on a thread here but I was sure I read that they was cases of patients who got the virus again in both China and Italy

Some people being treated with drugs (Remdesivir and hydroxychloroquine for example) may be making the virus suppressed to a point of being undetectable and then it blooms up again after the drug regime stops

BorneTobyWilde · 19-04-2020 12:59AM

s1ippy wrote: »

So it is, I would love some of that for the polytunnel actually.

Obv reading lyrics off a sheet, kills the buzz for me every time.

At least she's not playing Animal Crossing 24/7 ha

Kermit.de.frog · 19-04-2020 12:59AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/dont-bet-on-vaccine-to-protect-us-from-covid-19-says-world-health-expert

Don’t bet on vaccine to protect us from Covid-19, says world health expert

Professor of global health at Imperial College, London warns we ‘may have to adapt’ to virus

Humanity will have to live with the threat of coronavirus “for the foreseeable future” and adapt accordingly because there is no guarantee that a vaccine can be successfully developed, one of the world’s leading experts on the disease has warned.

The stark message was delivered by David Nabarro, professor of global health at Imperial College, London, and an envoy for the World Health Organisation on Covid-19, as the number of UK hospital deaths from the virus passed 15,000.

A further 888 people were reported on Saturday to have lost their lives – a figure described by communities secretary Robert Jenrick as “extremely sobering” – while the total number who have been infected increased by 5,525 to 114,217.

The latest figures, which do not include deaths in care homes and in the community, put further pressure on the government amid continuing anger among NHS workers and unions over the lack personal protective equipment (PPE) for hospital and care home staff on the front line.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 19-04-2020 01:00AM

Michael Dwyer wrote: »

I've had 2 healthy friends in their 30s who died because they never had lived with sickness. Very true.

You're the girl with the big C? How are you doing?

Very well at the moment. About 20 months ago, I was diagnosed with bone marrow metastases and the seven or eight months after that were brutal. Endless blood transfusions and two different chemos that did nothing and only made me sick. So we switched to a different chemo that was relatively new on the market and it worked incredibly well. It stabilised things so well that my oncologist was able to take me off it for a while to give me a break from hospitals and switch me to a hormone-blocker tablet that I can take at home. That’s also been working and is incredibly mild and means I only need to visit the hospital every three months. The chemo I went off is still in my arsenal too because it hadn’t stopped working when I went off it.

I’m lucky we got it under control because just over a year ago, I basically had no platelets or white blood cells so coronavirus would have quickly taken me out if I got it. Now, I’d have a chance.

JP Liz V1 · 19-04-2020 01:05AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Very well at the moment. About 20 months ago, I was diagnosed with bone marrow metastases and the seven or eight months after that were brutal. Endless blood transfusions and two different chemos that did nothing and only made me sick. So we switched to a different chemo that was relatively new on the market and it worked incredibly well. It stabilised things so well that my oncologist was able to take me off it for a while to give me a break from hospitals and switch me to a hormone-blocker tablet that I can take at home. That’s also been working and is incredibly mild and means I only need to visit the hospital every three months. The chemo I went off is still in my arsenal too because it hadn’t stopped working when I went off it.

I’m lucky we got it under control because just over a year ago, I basically had no platelets or white blood cells so coronavirus would have quickly taken me out if I got it. Now, I’d have a chance.

Take care and keep fighting

Michael Dwyer · 19-04-2020 01:11AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Very well at the moment. About 20 months ago, I was diagnosed with bone marrow metastases and the seven or eight months after that were brutal. Endless blood transfusions and two different chemos that did nothing and only made me sick. So we switched to a different chemo that was relatively new on the market and it worked incredibly well. It stabilised things so well that my oncologist was able to take me off it for a while to give me a break from hospitals and switch me to a hormone-blocker tablet that I can take at home. That’s also been working and is incredibly mild and means I only need to visit the hospital every three months. The chemo I went off is still in my arsenal too because it hadn’t stopped working when I went off it.

I’m lucky we got it under control because just over a year ago, I basically had no platelets or white blood cells so coronavirus would have quickly taken me out if I got it. Now, I’d have a chance.

I'm glad to hear the new treatment is working.

I'm sure you're doing your very best to avoid Covid. I have some respiratory and immune system issues myself but I'm doing well.

Wishing you every health and happiness. I know these fora are a bit fractious, and we all get emotional at times but behind it all the vast majority of posters are making sense of it all as best they can.

I think we all have little agendas to a certain extent. While I miss communication with the outside world another side of me is glad to be off work. I can't stand the management clique in my work and it's great to be away from them. The work is far from essential and they can't believe they had to cease. So yes some of my motives aren't the most noble!

New Home · 19-04-2020 01:13AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There has been reinfected cases in Italy and China, I think none here so far

Some symptoms differ in cases so some could have had it twice (although was it proven there is no different strains?)

Actually, there are some different strains:

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

cameramonkey · 19-04-2020 01:20AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There has been reinfected cases in Italy and China, I think none here so far

Some symptoms differ in cases so some could have had it twice (although was it proven there is no different strains?)

Reinfection or relapse?

Strazdas · 19-04-2020 01:22AM

Sunday Indo and MoS report there are definite plans to ease the restrictions on May 5th

US2 · 19-04-2020 01:27AM

9th highest death rate in the world. What are we doing wrong

fritzelly · 19-04-2020 01:29AM

US2 wrote: »

9th highest death rate in the world. What are we doing wrong

Reporting the real figures

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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