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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭GetWithIt


    Anyone know why the US total for deaths declined yesterday? Down from 36.8K to 33.9K.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Gynoid wrote: »
    I find it interesting to hear from other places like Vietnam, about what is going on. And teaching English as a foreign language is as good a work as any other. Might do it meself some day. It would be interesting to get regular reports from anywhere, Spain, Italy, France, Brazil, Ecuador, Iceland, Sweden, India, Africa, anywhere. And masks protect people. They are an ancient and instinctive mechanism for protection.

    Try

    https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum
    A site run by volunteers who accept no funding, sphonsorship etc. They have been posting since late december on covid. A mix of ordinary folk and medical professionals. :-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Media briefing now about to start


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Media briefing now about to start

    Where?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    There's no way any large events will happen this summer. No chance. Too dangerous.

    Absolutely, if we can gradually get back to opening workplaces and shops over the summer with social distancing measures in place, with a view to opening schools in September that would be great.
    Lack of concerts, foreign holidays and pubs for a few months would be a relatively small price to pay to get over this thing. It might not even be that easy.
    obviously I'm not talking about employees in those sectors, it is a disaster for them I'm simply talking about our lack of entertainment, been a manageble cost.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Where?

    RTE News Now, this according to Fergal Bowers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    Drumpot wrote: »
    We have been closed up mostly for weeks so it would be reasonable to assume we are coming to the tipping point of our peak. USA is only at the start and many states are already talking about opening up again. Unless the rest of the world got it wrong (possible I suppose) , the USA is about to go into overdrive and their president is stoking up civil unrest. But I do agree we should focus more on ourselves as it easy to be distracted by our friends across the Atlantic or Irish Sea.

    You can’t really judge how Ireland is performing with ever changing environment and disjointed data that’s just not like for like. How countries record data and make it publicly available is different. There is a lag with some information that’s not corrected for weeks As countries learn to deal with managing the virus. There are over 50 states dealing with it their own way so it’s no surprise that they all over the shop. Would you put it past some states (Texas) suppressing information so they can open up again?

    Nursing homes seems to not only be a problem in Ireland by the looks of things. That’s not good enough but I’m not sure we can be singled out there. Same with PPE equipment. It’s not that it’s ok for these to be issues , it’s that it’s a global issue.

    An even bigger issue is populations absolute ignorance and continued “blame government” solutions/strategy’s. Nothing ever seems to be learned from crisis, put the fire out, forget everything learned and move on. What is our role as a population in what has happened? How much resources have we demanded be put into nursing homes and to protect our vulnerable? We have no infrastructure in place to help our most vulnerable when they need us most, what does that say about us as a society?

    If everybody in the world and populations took ownership of the issues facing that country (instead of blaming somebody or something else) the world would be in much better shape. Changing governments solves nothing and only serves to give the impression of change. SF, FF, FG, Lab, Ind, Greens are voted in by the same people demanding the same things.

    I think the default is to base performances on the tone of the leader - Trump brash vs Leo sombre and thoughtful.

    When you look closer and take out his pompous declarations, he's acted pretty well. The travel ban has been well discussed but it was a proactive move that saved lives. He also refused to give New York the 40,000 ventilators they said they needed. The correct number turned out to be under 10,000.

    Our government let air travel come unabated from a highly infective region. Allowed the numbers of dead in nursing homes to reach almost 40% of the total and presided over a shambles of a testing system that had healthcare workers waiting 14 days for test results in some cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Where?

    RTÉ news now. Always the same channel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    GetWithIt wrote: »
    Anyone know why the US total for deaths declined yesterday? Down from 36.8K to 33.9K.


    Where are you seeing these figures ? John Hopkins and Worldometers both reporting 39k deaths for USA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    I think the default is to base performances on the tone of the leader - Trump brash vs Leo sombre and thoughtful.

    When you look closer and take out his pompous declarations, he's acted pretty well. The travel ban has been well discussed but it was a proactive move that saved lives. He also refused to give New York the 40,000 ventilators they said they needed. The correct number turned out to be under 10,000.

    Our government let air travel come unabated from a highly infective region. Allowed the numbers of dead in nursing homes to reach almost 40% of the total and presided over a shambles of a testing system that had healthcare workers waiting 14 days for test results in some cases.

    We have flattened the curve though and imposed savage restrictions on people.

    The govt. did ok imo.

    People were always going to die. Thats unfortunate and RIP to them but its life.

    Its now time to start lifting lockdown and returning as many things to normal as possible.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭GetWithIt


    ek motor wrote: »
    Where are you seeing these figures ? John Hopkins and Worldometers both reporting 39k deaths for USA.
    It appears the Johns Hopkins US dashboard isn't being refreshed from the same data.

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

    It's a far better dashboard as it highlights the hotspots based on cases per population, rather than simply giving totals - which then just becomes a population density map. Looks like it's a bit beta.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Good point. Someone should ring the HSE and suggest that they begin to think about an exit strategy. They've probably forgotten to work on it.

    Follow Austria . This will give an indication of what Ireland will do. ALL European countries will follow the same protocol . Slowly open back up when numbers are low enough for the healthcare system to function. Test, trace, isolate any exciting outbreaks


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    ek motor wrote: »
    Hard to see any festivals going ahead this year. I had tickets for the Pixies in July :(

    There certainly won`t be any concerts, festivals etc. this summer and probably not for the rest of 2020. You will surely be entitled to a refund of your tickets money though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Three new testing categories.

    Test and Trace
    PPE
    Long term residential accommodation

    Test back log eliminated

    German lab remains in place 27 labs on board, 26 Ireland, 1 Germany (40% of testing)

    1000 tests a day

    150,000 reagent packs checking done being distributed

    11,500 swab tests done in community last week.

    Focus is around three priority areas over coming weeks

    4000 tests over this weekend in long term care settings

    40% have Covid 19, protect the other 60% by testing

    PPE challenge - remains challenge,
    batch 1 order - 33 million items is delivered and distributed
    batch 2 commenced yesterday
    Working with China on another 140m items for supply in next two months.
    2000 vents for delivery


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,332 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    The tricky bit for me when I hear the figures is I'm not sure how good or bad we are doing. In no way should we be in top 15 or so per population for host of reasons.

    But when you then see likes of UK and Poland for example who have not included deaths outside of hospitals then its hard to measure.

    You hear 44 deaths and its awful that these people die and all have family who are grieving. But it's hard say is it a job well done that it should 100 deaths per day or should it only be 10 per day for example.

    It's hard measure due to different takes from all different countries and you would have question some countries and their figures. Not trying to put on Tin Foil hat on or anything.

    EVENFLOW



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    Good point. Someone should ring the HSE and suggest that they begin to think about an exit strategy. They've probably forgotten to work on it.

    You'll accept social distancing until a vaccine is created? Could be 12 , probably 18 months. Pubs remaining shut, restaurants etc

    They have no idea what to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    I think the default is to base performances on the tone of the leader - Trump brash vs Leo sombre and thoughtful.

    When you look closer and take out his pompous declarations, he's acted pretty well. The travel ban has been well discussed but it was a proactive move that saved lives. He also refused to give New York the 40,000 ventilators they said they needed. The correct number turned out to be under 10,000.

    Our government let air travel come unabated from a highly infective region. Allowed the numbers of dead in nursing homes to reach almost 40% of the total and presided over a shambles of a testing system that had healthcare workers waiting 14 days for test results in some cases.

    Trumps travel ban was just to suit his anti China position. In terms of the actual corona virus he constantly downplayed the seriousness, to a level bordering on criminal negligence. The measures have been taken by individual states, the federal govt response has been a disaster.
    Even now he is supporting clowns protesting the lockdown restrictions in Michigan.
    In terms of world Leaders Trump has been shown up as a total clown.
    The really sad thing is it may not affect his popularity.
    His daughter and son in law are senior advisors. Neither of whom are in any way qualified. That would not happen in any other democracy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Found on the internet:

    Coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
    Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

    They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common. There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.

    All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease. Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.

    You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR (case fatality rate) higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on. Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.

    Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically. Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

    But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.

    1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
    2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
    3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.
    4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen).

    Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.

    They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test.”

    BOOM.

    Bull****. The primers used to test for this are specific to Sars-Co-V-2. Nonspecific sequences are not being amplified by this process. Also, RT-PCR is used in this instance to magnify DNA from virus RNA. Past integration of coronavirus strains into the genome would no longer be active and thus no RNA circulating from it.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    There certainly won`t be any concerts, festivals etc. this summer and probably not for the rest of 2020. You will surely be entitled to a refund of your tickets money though.

    Pubs won't open this year or maybe next year either. Pubs, concerts etc will be the last things to come back. I doubt they will be back until a vaccine is available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Does anyone know a store that's selling weedkiller such as roundup? They seem to be primarily shut

    Why would you use that poison? It has probably indirectly killed more humans than Covid ever will. Most humans have trace amounts in their systems and it is a known cancerogen. It will also kill a lot more than plants including bees and insects.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-04/roundup-cancer-risk-is-only-one-danger-to-humans-animals


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    We have flattened the curve though and imposed savage restrictions on people.

    The govt. did ok imo.

    People were always going to die. Thats unfortunate and RIP to them but its life.

    Its now time to start lifting lockdown and returning as many things to normal as possible.

    My opinion on this is that the R value needs to be below 1, and probably a bit below 1 to allow room for an increase if you relax measures.

    You then need to make sure there is hospital capacity.

    Finally you need to be beyond the peak.

    If all those tests are met then I would be in favour of a gradual relaxation of measures, maybe allow some non essential shops to re-open, very gradual. Then you need to wait 3 or 4 weeks and see whether the R value is still below 1 and whether there is still hospital capacity.

    Basically you are seeing how far you can relax measures before you risk a second wave. Once that R Value goes above 1 you've gone too far and you are waiting for a Vaccine.

    I'm just a regular member of the public and I'm not an expert on these matters and have no scientific qualifications. But I think that assuming we accept that the virus isn't going to just magically disappear and that it will be here until we get most of the population vaccinated then we can try and mitigate against it as best as possible. Relaxing any measures will represent a risk and I'm glad I'm not the one making those decisions.

    Edit - I would also add that testing capacity needs to be high and effective enough that you can get a decent grasp on what the R value actually is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Pubs won't open this year or maybe next year either. Pubs, concerts etc will be the last things to come back. I doubt they will be back until a vaccine is available.

    Id imagine pubs will have to open at some point this year. Same with all of the hospitality sector.

    The amount of other jobs indirectly impacted by their indefinite closure is much big to leave them closed for 18 months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    RTE's coverage of this is terrible - charts are worthless unless we can read them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Follow Austria . This will give an indication of what Ireland will do. ALL European countries will follow the same protocol . Slowly open back up when numbers are low enough for the healthcare system to function. Test, trace, isolate any exciting outbreaks

    I think we should remain in lockdown for at least six months. I don't even think it go's far enough, everyone can exercise at home, people should only be left out once a week for a four hour shopping window, that's plenty. Also the last time I was clapping and woohooing out my landing window for our amazing Healthcare Heros I noticed that some of my neighbours were no longer doing so. I am keeping an eye out to see what they are up to, to see if they are still following the rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭shamrockvilla


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Pubs won't open this year or maybe next year either. Pubs, concerts etc will be the last things to come back. I doubt they will be back until a vaccine is available.


    Prophet of doom, why do you doubt pubs and restaurants won't open? People will get **** sick of being kept in lockdown and will let the politicians know this. And as everybody is aware, politicians just love to be popular.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Follow Austria . This will give an indication of what Ireland will do. ALL European countries will follow the same protocol . Slowly open back up when numbers are low enough for the healthcare system to function. Test, trace, isolate any exciting outbreaks

    Test and trace worked well in Asian countries. Why reinvent the wheel. If we lag other European countries by a week or two, we can learn from their experiences and adjust accordingly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    bilston wrote: »
    My opinion on this is that the R value needs to be below 1, and probably a bit below 1 to allow room for an increase if you relax measures.

    You then need to make sure there is hospital capacity.

    Finally you need to be beyond the peak.

    If all those tests are met then I would be in favour of a gradual relaxation of measures, maybe allow some non essential shops to re-open, very gradual. Then you need to wait 3 or 4 weeks and see whether the R value is still below 1 and whether there is still hospital capacity.

    Basically you are seeing how far you can relax measures before you risk a second wave. Once that R Value goes above 1 you've gone too far and you are waiting for a Vaccine.

    I'm just a regular member of the public and I'm not an expert on these matters and have no scientific qualifications. But I think that assuming we accept that the virus isn't going to just magically disappear and that it will be here until we get most of the population vaccinated then we can try and mitigate against it as best as possible. Relaxing any measures will represent a risk and I'm glad I'm not the one making those decisions.

    We are below 1 on the R value. ICU occupancy is around 130 at the moment down from 160 so we should be ok there. Admissions are also down. We need to see some reduction in cases and we should be good to go. We need to get the economy moving asap


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    joe40 wrote: »
    Trumps travel ban was just to suit his anti China position. In terms of the actual corona virus he constantly downplayed the seriousness, to a level bordering on criminal negligence. The measures have been taken by individual states, the federal govt response has been a disaster.
    Even now he is supporting clowns protesting the lockdown restrictions in Michigan.
    In terms of world Leaders Trump has been shown up as a total clown.
    The really sad thing is it may not affect his popularity.
    His daughter and son in law are senior advisors. Neither of whom are in any way qualified. That would not happen in any other democracy.

    Not just supporting them actually encouraging them and more in other states as well. This buffoon is not fit to hold office and should be removed ASAP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Pubs won't open this year or maybe next year either. Pubs, concerts etc will be the last things to come back. I doubt they will be back until a vaccine is available.

    Big public events may not return for some time, I think pubs might re-open, but not as we know it, they would have to be able to come up with something to ensure social distancing is possible.

    However pubs will be at the back of the queue.

    Cafes and restaurants should be further up the list though.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    snowcat wrote: »
    We are below 1 on the R value. ICU occupancy is around 130 at the moment down from 160 so we should be ok there. Admissions are also down. We need to see some reduction in cases and we should be good to go. We need to get the economy moving asap

    I think we will see a reopening of key economic drivers from next month. The building trade will be back on sites etc. Pubs and the like will probably start reopening come june/ July.

    This thing is nearly behind. Id expect the next 2 weeks to really kill it.


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