Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

redarmy · 18-04-2020 05:05PM

Breaking: 41 more people have died from Coronavirus in Ireland.

A total of 571 deaths have now been recorded in the Republic.

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Polar101 · 18-04-2020 05:05PM

Nonoperational wrote: »

Regarding the WHO comments, they have been widely misreported by the Irish and UK media.

What they said is that there is no evidence that serological antibody tests will tell us if people have immunity.

Yeah, it's annoying to read the news reports.. they clearly said "there is no evidence" rather than "you will get infected again", but many media outlets are reporting the latter.

Hobgoblin11 · 18-04-2020 05:05PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This concerns me. You should speak to someone and stay away from the news for a while.

Resolve is what we need and we will come through this.

I've seen these type of threats first hand before in my life with immediate family unfortunately I wrote them off as just talk until the unthinkable happened. Something I bear the traumatic mental scars of to this day. So personally for me to see this talk it concerns me.

i would say there are a lot of people who are contemplating suicide at this time, stay strong people! this to shall pass!

spookwoman · 18-04-2020 05:05PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1251557232048775168?s=20

Achasanai · 18-04-2020 05:08PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

As stats show they're in little danger when they contact the Virus. Yes there have been exceptions to the rule with kids dying so on, but it's very very rare.

I think when we do start to open it won't be a light switch moment, it will be the less vulnerable that will start that process.

Why not 30, just to be sure? We've heard of examples - albeit rare - that people in their 30s have died from the virus.

Or better yet, leave pubs until the very end of the restrictions-easing process, as they would be the very places where the virus would have the best chance of ramping up infections?

But let me guess, you're under 35 yourself, and would love nothing more than heading out to the pub with your mates?

easypazz · 18-04-2020 05:10PM

joe_99 wrote: »

41 new deaths recorded today

778 additional cases confirmed:

- 630 new cases confirmed in Irish labs.
- 148 cases confirmed from German labs.

4% growth.

How long are the people dead though?

branie2 · 18-04-2020 05:15PM

RIP, the 41 people who died

walshb · 18-04-2020 05:16PM

easypazz wrote: »

4% growth.

How long are the people dead though?

I assume dead the last 24 hours or less?

Gynoid · 18-04-2020 05:18PM

easypazz wrote: »

4% growth.

How long are the people dead though?

There was a post back a bit, Quantim I think, who noted that the back figures contained in todays figures will be added to yesterdays and so on in the graph so the dip in the graph of deaths in real time was just temporary yesterday, in that sense. If 20 of todays deaths are current and the rest from past days then tomorrows number will have some to be added to todays. Just snapshotting one day and saying the deaths are not all from today does not work to prove they are less.

Xertz · 18-04-2020 05:19PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Yeah, it's annoying to read the news reports.. they clearly said "there is no evidence" rather than "you will get infected again", but many media outlets are reporting the latter.

They're being cautious and very accurate in what they, as they're a scientific body. Until there is proof of immunity, they have to be.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-04-2020 05:19PM

The governor of New Jersey says his state has lost more people in the last 4 weeks alone to COVID-19 than the entire last 3 flu seasons combined.

UrbanFret · 18-04-2020 05:20PM

walshb wrote: »

I assume dead the last 24 hours or less?

Wrong. As the good doctor explained yesterday there is a lag from death to reporting them, could be spread over the last 10 days.

JanuarySnowstor · 18-04-2020 05:21PM

The new cases are still quite high. With the lockdown 3 weeks in place I would have thought numbers would now be dropping

Jim_Hodge · 18-04-2020 05:21PM

walshb wrote: »

I assume dead the last 24 hours or less?

Not at all. They clearly said 'notified' deaths. There's still a time lag in receipt of death stats from doctors, registrars etc.

Xertz · 18-04-2020 05:21PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

Wrong. As the good doctor explained yesterday there is a lag from death to reporting them, could be spread over the last 10 days.

There's a legal process to go through with these and it can be quite complex e.g. triggering an inquest, if the death happens within 24 hours of going to hospital in normal circumstances and so on.

Reporting a death is more than just a formality.

Gynoid · 18-04-2020 05:22PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

Wrong. As the good doctor explained yesterday there is a lag from death to reporting them, could be spread over the last 10 days.

And thus the next 10 days numbers will contain lags that will apply to today.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 18-04-2020 05:22PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

Wrong. As the good doctor explained yesterday there is a lag from death to reporting them, could be spread over the last 10 days.

Couldn't it be spread over the last 3 months as you have that long to notify of deaths?

SCOOP 64 · 18-04-2020 05:23PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

Wrong. As the good doctor explained yesterday there is a lag from death to reporting them, could be spread over the last 10 days.

41 dead in the last 10 days would they be that way out?

Xertz · 18-04-2020 05:23PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Couldn't it be spread over the last 3 months as you have that long to notify of deaths?

Unlikely as most of these deaths are occurring in hospital or similar settings, so they'd be notified fairly promptly.

AFAIK what happens is the hospital / doctor issues a certificate which you then take / send to the registrar in your local area and they will then issue a death certificate. The person notifying the registrar is usually a family member, the doctor's certificate is just part of the process.

I would assume they have to work off the registrar's figures, not informally reported hospital ones.

stephenjmcd · 18-04-2020 05:24PM

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-restrictions-will-be-lifted-in-slow-and-controlled-manner-expert-group-chairman-39138390.html

Bit of an insight as to how they might gradual reduce restrictions

Gynoid · 18-04-2020 05:27PM

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

The new cases are still quite high. With the lockdown 3 weeks in place I would have thought numbers would now be dropping

New cases most likely are a function of increased testing. That is just my opinion. The more one tests the more cases. The deaths, ICU numbers and hospitalisations are the numbers that are more reliable (though not entirely as we have seen in many countries). Still I see them as more indicative. If testing had been constant for a month in terms of numbers of tests then an increase would be notable.

Xertz · 18-04-2020 05:28PM

Gynoid wrote: »

New cases most likely are a function of increased testing. That is just my opinion. The more one tests the more cases. The deaths, ICU numbers and hospitalisations are the numbers that are more reliable (though not entirely as we have seen in many countries). Still I see them as more indicative. If testing had been constant for a month in terms of numbers of tests then an increase would be notable.

The comparison of country-to-country number of detected cases has more to do with how much detection they're doing and our testing rates are relatively high compared to a lot of European countries and the general US figure.

bettyoleary · 18-04-2020 05:29PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

If any of those Keelings workers test positive for covid, there should be more serious protests outside that factory!

If any of those workers develop symptoms unless they are very unwell, it is highly unlikely they will admit to it. They wont want the whole lot of the workers needing to isolate and perhaps loose their income.

Beasty · 18-04-2020 05:30PM

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

The new cases are still quite high. With the lockdown 3 weeks in place I would have thought numbers would now be dropping

Even though they are getting people tested quicker there is still a timelag. People recorded as positive today may have picked it up 2+ weeks ago then only tested once symptoms were starting to get serious (probably earlier for healthcare workers), 2-3 days to get tested, another 2-3 days to get their result.

What we are seeing now in terms of those testing positive are people typically infected 2-3 weeks ago. However there is always a question about how significant the positive figures are due to limited testing capabilities

The death figures have an even longer lag - probably people who first picked it up a month or so ago. They have been at a similar level for a number of days now and I am hopeful that's indicative of this plateauing, although I'm a bit concerned about the numbers we are seeing in the North

Hobgoblin11 · 18-04-2020 05:31PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

If any of those workers develop symptoms unless they are very unwell, it is highly unlikely they will admit to it. They wont want the whole lot of the workers needing to isolate and perhaps loose their income.

they are all already isolating arent they?

Gynoid · 18-04-2020 05:32PM

Xertz wrote: »

The comparison of country-to-country number of detected cases has more to do with how much detection they're doing and our testing rates are relatively high compared to a lot of European countries and the general US figure.

Our testing rates seem high enough now. And hopefully will get better to allow quick turn around and tracing. I am not certain they were in good shape 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Beasty · 18-04-2020 05:33PM

Xertz wrote: »

There's a legal process to go through with these and it can be quite complex e.g. triggering an inquest, if the death happens within 24 hours of going to hospital in normal circumstances and so on.

Reporting a death is more than just a formality.

Everything is going to be delayed further in the current situation, and they may need to revise some processes given the restrictions everyone is under

speckle · 18-04-2020 05:34PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

One of my neighbours told me that he ‘celebrates’ his 70th birthday next week.....Tuesday he can go for a walk....Wednesday, or any day after, he can’t. He is not seeing the funny side it.

Was he born at midnight? :-)

Professor Moriarty · 18-04-2020 05:34PM

Beasty wrote: »

Even though they are getting people tested quicker there is still a timelag. People recorded as positive today may have picked it up 2+ weeks ago then only tested once symptoms were starting to get serious (probably earlier for healthcare workers), 2-3 days to get tested, another 2-3 days to get their result.

What we are seeing now in terms of those testing positive are people typically infected 2-3 weeks ago. However there is always a question about how significant the positive figures are due to limited testing capabilities

The death figures have an even longer lag - probably people who first picked it up a month or so ago. They have been at a similar level for a number of days now and I am hopeful that's indicative of this plateauing, although I'm a bit concerned about the numbers we are seeing in the North

Average lag between contracting the virus and death is 18 days.

Dank Janniels · 18-04-2020 05:37PM

The HSE have omitted the maps in their latest report. Every1 was probably all zooming in on their neybours seeing who has got it!

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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