Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

joe_99 · 18-04-2020 02:23PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I may be wrong, but would seem from the article that these people are being triaged on the basis that ICU treatment won't save their lives and I would assume they are receiving palliative care in the home instead. If your death is inevitable, that would be better than being needlessly intubated in ICU

Correct. This is standard practice in no way related to Covid 19. So many people don't seem to understand this. Hundreds of people die every month in Nursing homes and almost all never end up in ICU.

joe_99 · 18-04-2020 02:26PM

Wombatman wrote: »

I think the nub of the question is who is making the call "that ICU treatment won't save their lives"? Nursing and care home don't usually have people on their staff qualified to make this call.

It's could be we are not seeing the demand on hospital, HDU and ICU beds, other countries are seeing, due to a conservative admission policy.

Not true. Always the case. Nursing home residents don't qualify for ICU under normal circumstances. Zero to do with Covid.

Speak Now · 18-04-2020 02:27PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Pubs/ Restaurants should open, but with ID needed to enter, over 35 banned from entering. It has to be the stage one of the opening approach to allow younger people back to work and to socialize . Part herd immunity has a role to play, and the sooner the better.

I think drinking age should be raised from 18 to 35

Downlinz · 18-04-2020 02:32PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Pubs/ Restaurants should open, but with ID needed to enter, over 35 banned from entering. It has to be the stage one of the opening approach to allow younger people back to work and to socialize . Part herd immunity has a role to play, and the sooner the better.

Herd immunity would take 3 years+ to achieve without overwhelming our hospitals, suggesting it is advocating for genocide.

SCOOP 64 · 18-04-2020 02:33PM

Speak Now wrote: »

I think drinking age should be raised from 18 to 35

That would be a turn around wouldn't it "how old are you? " 35,
" show me your ID ,"on you bike your to old":D

Professor Moriarty · 18-04-2020 02:35PM

Downlinz wrote: »

Herd immunity would take 3 years+ to achieve without overwhelming our hospitals, suggesting it is advocating for genocide.

WHO today questioning if herd immunity is possible for Covid-19 given that there is no proof that people are immune having had the virus.

Professor Moriarty · 18-04-2020 02:36PM

Speak Now wrote: »

I think drinking age should be raised from 18 to 35

Perhaps an intelligence test instead.

Widdensushi · 18-04-2020 02:38PM

Downlinz wrote: »

Herd immunity would take 3 years+ to achieve without overwhelming our hospitals, suggesting it is advocating for genocide.

What approach are you suggesting, the current approach is not sustainable, it would be great to hear of an end strategy

smelly sock · 18-04-2020 02:39PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Perhaps an intelligence test instead.

Plenty of posters on here claim to be experts. Maybe an appitude during initial account creation.

Roger_007 · 18-04-2020 02:40PM

rosiem wrote: »

Lol funniest post I have seen in the whole Covid-19 discussion ban over 35s from pubs. You must be 34 :)

One of my neighbours told me that he ‘celebrates’ his 70th birthday next week.....Tuesday he can go for a walk....Wednesday, or any day after, he can’t. He is not seeing the funny side it.

eagle eye · 18-04-2020 02:42PM

walshb wrote:

Of course, there are clueless people in society, but the general public are pretty much well aware of the symptoms of it, and how they present in a varying manner..

You have no idea about the general public. Irish people mightn't be just as stupid as some other countries but you are vastly overestimating how much they take in.

Speak Now · 18-04-2020 02:43PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

One of my neighbours told me that he ‘celebrates’ his 70th birthday next week.....Tuesday he can go for a walk....Wednesday, or any day after, he can’t. He is not seeing the funny side it.

It's only a recommendation right? He can keep going out for a walk maintaining social distancing.

xtal191 · 18-04-2020 02:43PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

I would bet my house that Trump will win the election and it'll be a landslide. A lot of people here don't understand Americans, they take patriotism to a new level and the vast majority see this as an evil Chinese virus and only Trump has the balls to stick it to them. They see China as coming for their world superpower title and they are having none of it.

Bookies are offering 10/11 at the moment.

The reason Trump will win again is the same reason he won the first time, because of his opponent. Like Clinton before him, Biden is a horrible choice.

Speak Now · 18-04-2020 02:43PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Perhaps an intelligence test instead.

That would be the final nail in the coffin for most pubs

Lashes28 · 18-04-2020 02:46PM

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jacksonville-florida-beaches-reopen-coronavirus-phase-1

729 deaths and they are reopening beaches.
God bless America

spookwoman · 18-04-2020 02:47PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Look at this:

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566?fbclid=IwAR0RcXpAvVAOiLg4-ajyWKqdtFTUe_iOJ70WDcETkehqZFveTzCrjOU1g7Q

Scientists are tracing the virus and it looks as if it may not have started in wuhan and it could have began/started as early as September last.

That's incredible if true. The studying is from London.

I said this on another thread

Ref the around since October, even maybe before - Epidemiologist Larry Brilliant, yes that is his name, who helped eradicate smallpox believes the virus has been around for awhile. They went into an area tested 1000 people for antibodies and knowing the antibody tests are not 100% they got too high a reading from the population for something that only appeared in December. A variant of the virus could have been around and somehow mutated into the monster we are seeing now. I have a family member who before christmas got a right dose that doctors say they don't know what it was, they had trouble breathing, terrible pain in the chest and is really only now getting back to some normality because it also sapped the strength out of them.
They are still learning about the virus and they say the fevers could come and go for a number of months for those who got infected, they are also finding out the damage it is doing to internal organs, finding blood in urine indicating it also attacks the kidneys.
Chinese universities before they where shut down recently were looking into the origin of the virus and had info put up also saying they believed the virus was about before December.
Reality is we don't know where this virus came from or when it appeared.

Mic 1972 · 18-04-2020 02:49PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Surprisingly Portugal is now beginning to open up smaller business and construction sites again. Despite recording nearly 850 new cases and 60 deaths over the last 48 hours, but perhaps there is more to it than people outside the country would know, maybe most of the new cases are witin care homes and hospitals like Ireland and community transmission has largely ended.

Portugal has a lower infect per million ratio and a higher tests per million rate
They are doing better

Be right back · 18-04-2020 02:52PM

Lashes28 wrote: »

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jacksonville-florida-beaches-reopen-coronavirus-phase-1

729 deaths and they are reopening beaches.
God bless America

I saw a picture of someone in the States covered entirely in PPE gear yet holding up a placard declaring that the virus is a hoax.

jackboy · 18-04-2020 02:54PM

spookwoman wrote: »

I have a family member who before christmas got a right dose that doctors say they don't know what it was, they had trouble breathing, terrible pain in the chest and is really only now getting back to some normality because it also sapped the strength out of them.

That pre Christmas dose that gave people difficulty breathing was widespread in the country. I asked about it here before. Someone said that it was confirmed as an unusual strain of the flu, so not related to covid.

owlbethere · 18-04-2020 02:55PM

spookwoman wrote: »

I said this on another thread

Ref the around since October, even maybe before - Epidemiologist Larry Brilliant, yes that is his name, who helped eradicate smallpox believes the virus has been around for awhile. They went into an area tested 1000 people for antibodies and knowing the antibody tests are not 100% they got too high a reading from the population for something that only appeared in December. A variant of the virus could have been around and somehow mutated into the monster we are seeing now. I have a family member who before christmas got a right dose that doctors say they don't know what it was, they had trouble breathing, terrible pain in the chest and is really only now getting back to some normality because it also sapped the strength out of them.
They are still learning about the virus and they say the fevers could come and go for a number of months for those who got infected, they are also finding out the damage it is doing to internal organs, finding blood in urine indicating it also attacks the kidneys.
Chinese universities before they where shut down recently were looking into the origin of the virus and had info put up also saying they believed the virus was about before December.
Reality is we don't know where this virus came from or when it appeared.

I find it fascinating and baffling.

eagle eye · 18-04-2020 02:56PM

xtal191 wrote:

The reason Trump will win again is the same reason he won the first time, because of his opponent. Like Clinton before him, Biden is a horrible choice.

Well Biden isn't certain yet because of the sexual assault allegation.
Everybody else has withdrawn so if he can s forced to step down I'd imagine there's be a huge swell if support behind Cuomo for the nomination. If that happens then Trump loses but I'd agree that he'll beat Biden.

owlbethere · 18-04-2020 02:57PM

Be right back wrote: »

I saw a picture of someone in the States covered entirely in PPE gear yet holding up a placard declaring that the virus is a hoax.

LOL.

Can you find the picture and share it here please? For a laugh. Please

tobefrank321 · 18-04-2020 02:57PM

The head of the WHO is an idiot.

He has zero proof that having had covid19 doesnt lead to immunity. It requires significant research before he can make this judgement.

Instead he is spreading panic that people who are recovered are not immune.

Yet another mistake from this guy. How many more mistakes can he make?

Be right back · 18-04-2020 02:58PM

^^^^ Here it is.

Speak Now · 18-04-2020 02:58PM

Be right back wrote: »

I saw a picture of someone in the States covered entirely in PPE gear yet holding up a placard declaring that the virus is a hoax.

Reminds me of the protest at GAA headquarters when Lansdowne road was being renovated, guy wearing a Celtic Jersey holding up a sign saying no to foreign games

EDit · 18-04-2020 03:01PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The head of the WHO is an idiot.

He has zero proof that having had covid19 doesnt lead to immunity. It requires significant research before he can make this judgement.

Instead he is spreading panic that people who are recovered are not immune.

Yet another mistake from this guy. How many more mistakes can he make?

I don’t think he said that. Also, the headlines on BBC and SKY are skewing what was said, which is that they have no proof that people who recovered have immunity, but they have no prove that they don’t. Essentially, they said what you are saying (that we need to do more research)...but the press is reporting it in a sensational manner

rosiem · 18-04-2020 03:04PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

One of my neighbours told me that he ‘celebrates’ his 70th birthday next week.....Tuesday he can go for a walk....Wednesday, or any day after, he can’t. He is not seeing the funny side it.

Of course he can go for a walk stop being dramatic !!

caveat emptor · 18-04-2020 03:05PM

Downlinz wrote: »

Herd immunity would take 3 years+ to achieve without overwhelming our hospitals, suggesting it is advocating for genocide.

And no guarantee it will actually work. Reinfections in Korea rising.

https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200417006800320

Achasanai · 18-04-2020 03:05PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Pubs/ Restaurants should open, but with ID needed to enter, over 35 banned from entering. It has to be the stage one of the opening approach to allow younger people back to work and to socialize . Part herd immunity has a role to play, and the sooner the better.

Why would you decide on 35 as the age restriction?

caveat emptor · 18-04-2020 03:06PM

Achasanai wrote: »

Why would you decide on 35 as the age restriction?

Probably because they are 30.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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