Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Widdensushi · 18-04-2020 08:43AM

billyhead wrote: »

When do you think we would be able to visit elderly parents again. Both of mine live beyond the 2km limit from me and don't use Skype or any of that modern technology so we can only communicate by phone. I haven't seen them in person now since this kicked off a few weeks ago and we both miss the weekly meet up every Sunday. I am not at a risk of contracting the birud because I am working remotely and live on my own. It's horrible I can't see them. If a vaccine isn't available for 12-18 months does this mean I would be safe for their sake to wait until then. That's a horrible thought.

call and social distance outside when the travel ban is over is probably as good as it gets for at least a year

Professor Moriarty · 18-04-2020 08:46AM

billyhead wrote: »

When do you think we would be able to visit elderly parents again. Both of mine live beyond the 2km limit from me and don't use Skype or any of that modern technology so we can only communicate by phone. I haven't seen them in person now since this kicked off a few weeks ago and we both miss the weekly meet up every Sunday. I am not at a risk of contracting the birud because I am working remotely and live on my own. It's horrible I can't see them. If a vaccine isn't available for 12-18 months does this mean I would be safe for their sake to wait until then. That's a horrible thought.

Maybe a case for a visit could be made on compassionate grounds.

Widdensushi · 18-04-2020 08:48AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Maybe a case for a visit could be made on compassionate grounds.

permission to visit doesn't mean it's a good idea, you would be risking their lives

Professor Moriarty · 18-04-2020 08:50AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

permission to visit doesn't mean it's a good idea, you would be risking their lives

Not if they sit 3m apart out in the garden for a chat.

Turtwig · 18-04-2020 08:53AM

joe_99 wrote: »

In Ireland if you have tested positive for covid it is recorded as a Covid death regardless of how you die. For example if I test positive for covid and then fall down the stairs and die it will be a covid death.

Load of rubbish. This simply isn't true. We don't count covid positive individuals who died in car crashes as covid deaths. There has to be a reasonable probability that the individual would be alive and breathing if not for the presence of covid. Person fell down stairs due to extreme breathing difficulties as a result of covid complications for example.

Boggles · 18-04-2020 08:54AM

billyhead wrote: »

When do you think we would be able to visit elderly parents again. Both of mine live beyond the 2km limit from me and don't use Skype or any of that modern technology so we can only communicate by phone. I haven't seen them in person now since this kicked off a few weeks ago and we both miss the weekly meet up every Sunday. I am not at a risk of contracting the birud because I am working remotely and live on my own. It's horrible I can't see them. If a vaccine isn't available for 12-18 months does this mean I would be safe for their sake to wait until then. That's a horrible thought.

Ah. IF they are cocooning, You are supposed to be bringing them food and essentials.

Dropping and going, 5 minute chat from 6 meters away is grand.

is_that_so · 18-04-2020 09:02AM

Looks like Singapore has gone from being close to top of the class to having a problem, possibly of their own making.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/singapores-cramped-migrant-worker-dorms-hide-covid-19-surge-risk

joe_99 · 18-04-2020 09:05AM

Turtwig wrote: »

Load of rubbish. This simply isn't true. We don't count covid positive individuals who died in car crashes as covid deaths. There has to be a reasonable probability that the individual would be alive and breathing if not for the presence of covid. Person fell down stairs due to extreme breathing difficulties as a result of covid complications for example.

Dr. Holohan has stated a number of times if covid is listed on death certificate it is counted. Including as an underlying condition.

DevilsHaircut · 18-04-2020 09:08AM

'...44 people diagnosed with COVID-19 in Ireland have died, bringing the total to 530 deaths...'

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

zerosugarbuzz · 18-04-2020 09:08AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Maybe a case for a visit could be made on compassionate grounds.

Or delivering food

joe_99 · 18-04-2020 09:11AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

'...44 people diagnosed with COVID-19 in Ireland have died, bringing the total to 530 deaths...'

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

Thanks

eagle eye · 18-04-2020 09:22AM

DevilsHaircut wrote:

'...44 people diagnosed with COVID-19 in Ireland have died, bringing the total to 530 deaths...'

Thanks s yesterday's news.

Widdensushi · 18-04-2020 09:23AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Thanks s yesterday's news.

it's the wording, it doesn't say they died from covid

Beasty · 18-04-2020 09:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Vietnam.

According to Worldometers Vietnam seems to be doing incredibly well. 268 cases and no deaths

Do you think that is reflective of what;s been going on there? Have they had a strict lockdown?

joe_99 · 18-04-2020 09:29AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

it's the wording, it doesn't say they died from covid

Correct but it is counted in our numbers.

Beasty · 18-04-2020 09:30AM

joe_99 wrote: »

Dr. Holohan has stated a number of times if covid is listed on death certificate it is counted. Including as an underlying condition.

Has he?

He has stated a number of times they only include people who have tested positive in the figures. I have little doubt some death certs will mention it where no test was done

Snow Garden · 18-04-2020 09:31AM

I saw a graph on news showing Covid19 deaths by day of occurrence. Has anyone a link to that? It showed the most confirmed Covid19 deaths happened on 7th April.

silverharp · 18-04-2020 09:32AM

Beasty wrote: »

According to Worldometers Vietnam seems to be doing incredibly well. 268 cases and no deaths

Do you think that is reflective of what;s been going on there? Have they had a strict lockdown?

has any tropical country had a major outbreak? Plenty of Vit D and secondly high UV levels which is natures disinfectant.

Duke of Url · 18-04-2020 09:38AM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I saw a graph on news showing Covid19 deaths by day of occurrence. Has anyone a link to that? It showed the most confirmed Covid19 deaths happened on 7th April.

I thought there was 36 deaths listed on April 7th?

April 7
36 deaths and 345 new cases confirmed

The Health Protection Surveillance Centre has today been informed that 36 patients diagnosed with COVID-19 in Ireland have died:

27 deaths located in the east, 6 in the north west, 3 in the south
the patients included 17 females and 19 males
24 (66.6%) patients were reported as having underlying health conditions
the median age of today’s reported deaths is 81
There have now been 210 COVID-19 related deaths in Ireland. The median age of deaths in Ireland is 81. The mean age of deaths in Ireland is 79.

The Health Protection Surveillance Centre has been informed of 345 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ireland, as at 1pm, Tuesday 7 April.

There are now 5,709 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ireland.

gazzer · 18-04-2020 09:41AM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I saw a graph on news showing Covid19 deaths by day of occurrence. Has anyone a link to that? It showed the most confirmed Covid19 deaths happened on 7th April.

Here you go. I didn't realise the daily figures of those who died could include people who died on previous days. Around half of the deaths announced yesterday were only for yesterday

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0418/1132271-deaths-covid-holohan/

is_that_so · 18-04-2020 09:43AM

Beasty wrote: »

Has he?

He has stated a number of times they only include people who have tested positive in the figures. I have little doubt some death certs will mention it where no test was done

That position on the death cert was my understanding all along and he has stated that. From personal experience, known conditions or conditions already being treated will be registered on the certificate. Any variation I'd put down to all the dumb questions he has had to answer.

Iamabeliever · 18-04-2020 09:46AM

silverharp wrote: »

has any tropical country had a major outbreak? Plenty of Vit D and secondly high UV levels which is natures disinfectant.

Also 14 day quarantine for new arrivals, shut schools, suspended in coming flights etc. Vietnam acted aggressively but most important - early

joe_99 · 18-04-2020 09:47AM

Beasty wrote: »

Has he?

He has stated a number of times they only include people who have tested positive in the figures. I have little doubt some death certs will mention it where no test was done

Devilshaircut post explains it better than I have

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

'...44 people diagnosed with COVID-19 in Ireland have died, bringing the total to 530 deaths...'

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

Beasty · 18-04-2020 09:48AM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I saw a graph on news showing Covid19 deaths by day of occurrence. Has anyone a link to that? It showed the most confirmed Covid19 deaths happened on 7th April.

I don't know what the average time from infection to death is, but that would suggest we could have been plateauing towards the end of March. It may take a while for the curve to start moving down, but this could be indicative of a very good (if anything can be good in the circumstances) outlook for Ireland. It would also suggest that the actions taken in mid to late March have worked incredibly well

Of course, we really do need to see how this all pans out, but I'm turning cautiously optimistic at this time. Pity it's taken so long for this sort of info to trickle out, but hopefully they can continue providing it

joe_99 · 18-04-2020 09:50AM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I saw a graph on news showing Covid19 deaths by day of occurrence. Has anyone a link to that? It showed the most confirmed Covid19 deaths happened on 7th April.

This one here
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Beasty · 18-04-2020 09:50AM

joe_99 wrote: »

Devilshaircut post explains it better than I have

But they have only been considering those who have tested positive as having been diagnosed with it, have they not?

(bear in mind only a small proportion of those tested are positive)

Not in Kansas · 18-04-2020 09:53AM

billyhead wrote: »

When do you think we would be able to visit elderly parents again. Both of mine live beyond the 2km limit from me and don't use Skype or any of that modern technology so we can only communicate by phone. I haven't seen them in person now since this kicked off a few weeks ago and we both miss the weekly meet up every Sunday. I am not at a risk of contracting the birud because I am working remotely and live on my own. It's horrible I can't see them. If a vaccine isn't available for 12-18 months does this mean I would be safe for their sake to wait until then. That's a horrible thought.

How far away are you? Even though I live the nearest to my mother of my siblings - within 2km - as my husband is still working his job as normal I consider us at risk of infection. Because of this I only walk up to her once or twice a week and stand halfway down her driveway while she sits at her door and we have a chat. We are on the phone twice a day.

My brother who lives over 20k away is the one that brings her her shopping and comes to walk her dog (who would drive her crazy if he wasn't exercised) as he is at lower risk as he has been working from home for weeks as has his wife. He has been stopped by the guards and just explains the situation and there is no problem.

Some things just have to be done and they can be done safely. Mental health has to be a consideration at this point. Bring a fold up chair and a flask of tea and sit at a safe distance. Tell the guards exactly what you told us.

joe_99 · 18-04-2020 09:53AM

Beasty wrote: »

But they have only been considering those who have tested positive as having been diagnosed with it, have they not?

(bear in mind only a small proportion of those tested are positive)

That is my understanding.

Beasty · 18-04-2020 09:53AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I thought there was 36 deaths listed on April 7th?

April 7
36 deaths and 345 new cases confirmed

The Health Protection Surveillance Centre has today been informed that 36 patients diagnosed with COVID-19 in Ireland have died:

27 deaths located in the east, 6 in the north west, 3 in the south
the patients included 17 females and 19 males
24 (66.6%) patients were reported as having underlying health conditions
the median age of today’s reported deaths is 81
There have now been 210 COVID-19 related deaths in Ireland. The median age of deaths in Ireland is 81. The mean age of deaths in Ireland is 79.

The Health Protection Surveillance Centre has been informed of 345 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ireland, as at 1pm, Tuesday 7 April.

There are now 5,709 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ireland.

The deaths recorded on a particular date covered deaths occurring over a number of days. That became clear when they presented that graph

Kermit.de.frog · 18-04-2020 09:56AM

The situation in Japan is looking ever more alarming being driven in large part by the surge in Tokyo as AP reports.

Hospitals in Japan are increasingly turning away sick people as the country struggles with surging coronavirus infections and its emergency medical system collapses. In one recent case, an ambulance carrying a man with a fever and difficulty breathing was rejected by 80 hospitals and forced to search for hours for a hospital in downtown Tokyo that would treat him.

Japan on Saturday reported 556 new cases of the coronavirus, surpassing the total of 10,000 about three months after the first case was detected in the country.

Nearly a third of the domestic cases come from Tokyo, where the daily surge has overburdened hospitals, triggering fears that the medical system will collapse.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-trump-claims-china-has-most-deaths-despite-official-statistics-1.4232530?mode=amp

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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