Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Tony EH · 17-04-2020 03:24PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Like all these organisations they are not some mystical all knowing, all seeing overlords.

They depend on member countries to report accurately. Countries can not be forced to do this. There is no way to enforce.

I'm confused as to what some, like Trump, thought they were suppose to or able to do?

People like Trump and the bozos on here that follow him are only interested in propping some sort of political ideal. Pointing fingers at the WHO is simply part of that.

The reality is, is that there really wasn't much the WHO could have done, without getting their own boots on the ground in China and gathering their own facts.

Something they weren't going to be able to do if they started off proceedings by calling the Chinese spoofers.

Jim_Hodge · 17-04-2020 03:24PM

Has anybody a link to the detailed map released by the HSE showing the location of cases?

Iamabeliever · 17-04-2020 03:32PM

Putting my Gemma O'Doherty hat on

Widdensushi · 17-04-2020 03:36PM

Tony EH wrote: »

People like Trump and the bozos on here that follow him are only interested in propping some sort of political ideal. Pointing fingers at the WHO is simply part of that.

The reality is, is that there really wasn't much the WHO could have done, without getting their own boots on the ground in China and gathering their own facts.

Something they weren't going to be able to do if they started off proceedings by calling the Chinese spoofers.

For four and a half billion a year they would need to be giving back good information and advice, of course they should have boots on the ground

caveat emptor · 17-04-2020 03:37PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Has anybody a link to the detailed map released by the HSE showing the location of cases?

See here daily for latest:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/

Today:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-20-00-16-april-2020.pdf

It could be you.

An Ciarraioch · 17-04-2020 03:38PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Has anybody a link to the detailed map released by the HSE showing the location of cases?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1251076153768542209

is_that_so · 17-04-2020 03:39PM

From RTE Feed. - Use of Citywest

The HSE's Chief Operating Officer Anne O'Connor confirmed that the HSE has "block booked" Dublin's CityWest hotel until the end of December.

She said she believed that the booking had been made for a seven month period.

In relation to whether the HSE foresees using the facilities Ms O'Connor said "the challenge is that we don't exactly know. We hope we never have to use it."

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 03:40PM

Tony EH wrote: »

You're a liar.

This is the tweet the WHO passed on in January.

They were only saying that the Chinese had found no clear evidence of human to human contact. They mention nothing of their own data on the matter, because they had no clear data.

Are you just going to not bother addressing the Taiwanese warning email of 31st December?

Head in the sand stuff if so.

Tony EH · 17-04-2020 03:40PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

For four and a half billion a year they would need to be giving back good information and advice, of course they should have boots on the ground

The Chinese only let the WHO send in an investigative team on the 7th February. If the WHO had started out by saying they thought the Chinese were telling porkies, they wouldn't have been let in at all, regardless of what money they're in receipt of.

Ficheall · 17-04-2020 03:42PM

Tony EH wrote: »

LOL, Shudda, wudda, cudda. :rolleyes:

What a pity all you heroes weren't around to tell the WHO what to do.

I bought myself a new freezer and three months' worth of long-life food by the end of January, and advised my friends and relations to stock up. Dismissed as a loon by most, of course, since the WHO and HSE were saying everything was fine. Didn't take my already-booked holiday to Northern Italy in mid-February. Even up until late-February, I was arguing with a co-organiser for an event with ~200 attendees scheduled for end of March, saying we should cancel, and being countered with "but the CMO said everything is fine..."

I did what little I could, Tony. What about you?

Edit: And to clarify, I do think Trump is a cretin. But I do think criticism of the WHO is justified.

polesheep · 17-04-2020 03:44PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

They likely don't send most nursing home residents to ICU. Of course your ICU numbers will be down if you don't bother treating the very sickest and dying.

ICU numbers down, deaths up. That's the story here. The two don't really don't add up.

Hard to see positives here if deaths keep rising. Maybe they could actually try and save some of the nursing home patients, and could have tried those in Port Laoise.

That is a disgusting comment. It's also very wrong. Many nursing homes patients are brought to hospital. Many more, unfortunately, would not be up to the rigours of hospital treatment.

10000maniacs · 17-04-2020 03:44PM

I see some prisoners are starting to die in prison in the UK. I can see a swathe of lawsuits happening. Nobody was given a death sentence and it was up to the authorities to ensure their safety regardless of any crime.

wadacrack · 17-04-2020 03:46PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1251170954924957705

Professor Moriarty · 17-04-2020 03:46PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1251170954924957705

Some good news.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-04-2020 03:47PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

I see some prisoners are starting to die in prison in the UK. I can see a swathe of lawsuits happening. Nobody was given a death sentence and it was up to the authorities to ensure their safety regardless of any crime.

Hardly an intentional 'death sentence'.

You could die of anything in prison.

Michael Dwyer · 17-04-2020 03:49PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

I see some prisoners are starting to die in prison in the UK. I can see a swathe of lawsuits happening. Nobody was given a death sentence and it was up to the authorities to ensure their safety regardless of any crime.

Yes terribly sad, the deaths in nursing homes has nothing on it.

lawred2 · 17-04-2020 03:50PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

I see some prisoners are starting to die in prison in the UK. I can see a swathe of lawsuits happening. Nobody was given a death sentence and it was up to the authorities to ensure their safety regardless of any crime.

hysterics - dying because of an illness in prison is not a death sentence

Tony EH · 17-04-2020 03:50PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Are you just going to not bother addressing the Taiwanese warning email of 31st December?

Head in the sand stuff if so.

Taiwan was merely operating on an assumption, based on their experience with SARS in 2003 and they queried this with the WHO on Dec 31st.

However, there were no facts involved that the WHO could work with.

In any case, they absolutely needed China's cooperation, because that was where the outbreak was. Causing ructions there would have meant China closing up and making things more difficult for the WHO than they already were.

Your head is stuck up Trump's arse.

Be right back · 17-04-2020 03:51PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

Good job this gentleman wasn't in that home isn't it on Sat. Captain Tom raised nearly 2mill for NHS and he will be 100 on 30th April. Has underlying conditions.

19 million at the last count!!

JP Liz V1 · 17-04-2020 03:52PM

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1250722601930014728

Inquitus · 17-04-2020 03:53PM

Trump has gone full retard:

Away With The Fairies · 17-04-2020 03:53PM

So is this what we get after letting people free at the airport a couple of weeks ago?

17-04-2020 03:54PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I bought myself a new freezer and three months' worth of long-life food by the end of January, and advised my friends and relations to stock up. Dismissed as a loon by most, of course, since the WHO and HSE were saying everything was fine. Didn't take my already-booked holiday to Northern Italy in mid-February. Even up until late-February, I was arguing with a co-organiser for an event with ~200 attendees scheduled for end of March, saying we should cancel, and being countered with "but the CMO said everything is fine..."

I did what little I could, Tony. What about you?

Edit: And to clarify, I do think Trump is a cretin. But I do think criticism of the WHO is justified.

If you were that clued in you would have realised we have very good food security and stocking up for 3 months was a waste of time

Mental Mickey · 17-04-2020 03:55PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Trump has gone full retard:

He was already there lol

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 03:56PM

polesheep wrote: »

That is a disgusting comment. It's also very wrong. Many nursing homes patients are brought to hospital. Many more, unfortunately, would not be up to the rigours of hospital treatment.

More disgusting than the shambles that is protection for nursing home residents?

I said almost two months ago if we didn't try our best to stop the spread to Ireland, we'd be in deep sh*t down the line.

Others more influential than me also said it. All ignored by the HSE and minister for health. The direct consequences of their inaction were deaths in homes like those in Port Laoise.

So save me the virtue signalling and moral grand standing. We could have saved these lives if we acted earlier. Instead they were condemned to a needless death because of HSE and government failures and inaction.

JP100 · 17-04-2020 03:57PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I bought myself a new freezer and three months' worth of long-life food by the end of January, and advised my friends and relations to stock up. Dismissed as a loon by most, of course, since the WHO and HSE were saying everything was fine.

And everything that has happened since then has proven that you didn't need to buy an additional freezer and three months of food. Just like a lady I know who bought 25 packets of toilet roll with 16 rolls per pack and going around boasting about it. That's 25 X 16 which is 400 individual toilet rolls. Utter madness and totally unnecessary.

Professor Moriarty · 17-04-2020 03:57PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

More disgusting than the shambles that is protection for nursing home residents?

I said almost two months ago if we didn't try our best to stop the spread to Ireland, we'd be in deep sh*t down the line.

Others more influential than me also said it. All ignored by the HSE and minister for health. The direct consequences of their inaction were deaths in homes like those in Port Laoise.

So save me the virtue signalling and moral grand standing. We could have saved these lives if we acted earlier. Instead they were condemned to a needless death because of HSE and government failures and inaction.

Number of deaths in nursing homes are on a par with other countries.

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 03:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you were that clued in you would have realised we have very good food security and stocking up for 3 months was a waste of time

Nope he/she had foresight something bad was coming as opposed to the clowns who said everything would be grand.

He/she also might have had to cocoon.

Ficheall · 17-04-2020 03:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you were that clued in you would have realised we have very good food security and stocking up for 3 months was a waste of time

The idea was to avoid having to leave the house and risk infection in the supermarkets etc...

tobefrank321 · 17-04-2020 03:58PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Number of deaths in nursing homes are on a par with other countries.

Which countries? Taiwan? Slovenia? Norway?

Is this a race to the bottom?

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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