Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

FACT -people need to get back to work ... food production is essential work ... this company produces a wide range of food products ....Irish people don’t and won’t do this work anymore....

Populist rhetoric ...Where are the hoards of enraged Irish people giving up their emergency unemployment payments to do these jobs?

We cannot stay locked up in wardrobes for the whole of 2020 ; The over 65s will be socially isolating until there’s a vaccine -everone else has to get back to work in May or societal collapse is on the cards.

ted1 wrote: »

They wont be paying more than €350 a week. So those 800,000 would be worse off it they took the job.
Staff stay on mobile homes on site. They don’t leave the farm.

Not supporting them just providing clear details

Apparently the don't, they stay in Northwood in Santry in former student accommodation, where they get picked up and dropped off by bus. As witnessed by my brother in law who lives there and has seen it over the last few years and the last few days!!

growleaves wrote: »

Stop lying.

I've done much harder work when I worked as a labourer in the construction industry. Two years ago I being was paid 3x what Romanian labourers got on another site a few miles away.

The only reason foreign labour is brought in is so they can be paid near-slavery wages.

A very transparent propaganda tactic to lyingly say that Irish people turn their nose up at hard work - handily repurposed from the US ('jobs Americans won't do')

Check every food production factory in ireland, guess where the floor staff are not from? You worked hard cause labouring pays well. You wouldnt have picked/packed strawberries all day for minimum wage.

growleaves wrote: »

I've been on multiple construction sites in the last few years - loads of Irish people willing to work at labouring.

There is a fair difference in construction labour wages to seasonal fruit picking wages.

by fair I mean huge.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nothing close to that....but continue to tell us to how strawberrys are worth risking countries health for

What foods are then?

{After I made sure the thread is started by a poster who's post count is higher than 100 (yes, this is one of the criteria helping me decide what threads to post to) ...}

But I do feel sorry for the Bulgarians, Romanians or other eastern european countries that put their health at risk to come work here some unfilled jobs by the locals which are also very low paid. Guardian had an article on Are Western European food supplies worth more than Eastern European worker's health? - pretty spot on.

• Strawberries in Ireland, asparagus in Germany - same story. But you'd think at least the German health system is to be trusted.

Nota bene, I also think their home countries are in a better position than Ireland containing this virus; for example, Romania is in lock down before Ireland, and until now managed to keep this situation under control pretty much with an affluence of tens of thousands of own citizens returning from Spain/Italy since the pandemic started.
- Besides, each of Bulgaria/Romania have more ICU beds than Ireland has -> link

So can anyone imagine what might happen if these poor ppl get the virus while in Ireland ? what type of care they would get access to ?

PS: I am also outraged at some of the posts here - only hate, no gratitude at all.

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Sniping at rubbish posts, responding to reasonable posts with reason.

Last 6 words could be deemed personal abuse I reckon.

no "could" about it

Any evidence those people now have an interest in seasonal fruit and vegetable harvesting?

If they needed work why wouldn't Irish people do it? Labouring jobs are in the €11-15 range usually, minimum wage is €10.10. On the Capital Dock site there were Dublin-born lads on €12 an hour. Whilst up near Harcourt Romanians were getting €50 a day for 9-hour days

I don't see how picking fruit is any more "back-breaking" than other labouring jobs like lifting. (Try bending your knees in both cases.)

blinding wrote: »

If they would pay a decent wage with decent working conditions they would get plenty of Irish People to do it.

TBH, I would push this to anyone receiving benefits for free while their health allows them to work; make mandatory a number of hours community work each week for welfare dependents, be it nationals, refugee, EU citizens or whatever.
Transport/food organized by the state to whatever location prioritized as strategic / needing support from the government.
If you already pay them, why not use that workforce instead of bringing staff from offshore ?

And yet across Europe vast numbers of migrant pickers are needed every single year.

They're needed to keep wages down.

There used to be an annual harvest in the Dakotas in the early 20th century. Same tactics were used like low wages, charging for board, company store, except it was American-born farm labourers who worked for next to nothing.

Things like that created an impetus for labour laws and won people over to trade unionism. Now the "work-around" is to import poor people to exploit and slander the natives (for lack of a better word) as lazy.

To do this in the middle of a pandemic when the country is locked-down is an unprecedented instance of taking the piss.

redunited wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of people on here just assuming the Irish would not do these jobs.

Terrible thing to assume when so many people are struggiling on low incomes and not able to pay their bills.

How many other Companies are doing similar that we do not hear about?

Its a disgrace that this goverment put Irish people on lockdown and then quite happily allow flights of people who are not highly skilled to come here.

One rule for Paddy, another rule for those in charge.

The jobs have been advertised on Indeed for weeks.

https://ie.indeed.com/Keelings-jobs-in-Dublin