Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Bishop of hope · 16-04-2020 09:34AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Only someone gainsaying in the death sting of losing of an argument would characterize a national affordable housing project as a classically right wing position.

All over the map and patently bamboozled.

EDIT: Apologies, didn't see the mod note asking me not to post in the thread again.

You could delete it!
There will be fcuk all houses built by anyone for the state now until this covid chap and paying for it is put to bed.

Bishop of hope · 16-04-2020 09:36AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I know you can't reply on this thread, so I'll keep general but privatisation is a right wing position. Giving away state assets at low cost (or in this case for free) is verging on neo-liberalism. No amount of spinning from any SF supporter can change that.

It's like SF's support for austerity in NI, or opposing property taxes here. They are a fake left-wing party.

Populist party!

walshb · 16-04-2020 09:38AM

christy c wrote: »

Am I missing something here? What is the link?

No link

I am just curious as to their views on this....

The thread is about them having vanished......

16-04-2020 09:43AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

You could delete it!
There will be fcuk all houses built by anyone for the state now until this covid chap and paying for it is put to bed.

I don't know, the ECB is making borrowing money very cheap at the minute. If anything we should probably launch into a massive infrastructural phase (more railways, luases, cycleways and yes, social housing). O'Cualann housing isn't social housing though, it's an asset give away.

On the other hand, tourism has collapsed and now would be a good time to ban the cancer that is Airbnb from our cities, so we don't know what housing we actually need to build. If it's true that 4,500 units were taken up by Airbnb then the market should respond by lower rents and lower prices when those units re-enter the rental market.

Hoboo · 16-04-2020 09:51AM

walshb wrote: »

No link

I am just curious as to their views on this....

The thread is about them having vanished......

Curious as to their views on Trump making childish threats he can't deliver, simply to deflect attention from the ****show he's making?

Why would they? Have you not noticed the volume of similar comments?

I think Simon Coveney should have kept his mouth shut too instead of biting, now is not the time to throw the little weight he has around,. especially at childish comments by Trump.

walshb · 16-04-2020 10:53AM

Hoboo wrote: »

Curious as to their views on Trump making childish threats he can't deliver, simply to deflect attention from the ****show he's making?

Why would they? Have you not noticed the volume of similar comments?

I think Simon Coveney should have kept his mouth shut too instead of biting, now is not the time to throw the little weight he has around,. especially at childish comments by Trump.

SF are barking on about how they are the biggest party, the party people want to see in power.....

Trump's WHO funding cut is global news during a global pandemic that affects so so many......

Yes, I'd like to hear SFs views on this, seeing as they are the party who polled so well.

Coveney and others are well within their rights to react and comment on the WHO funding cut....they are politicians, for chrissake, of course they should make their views known.

McMurphy · 16-04-2020 10:56AM

walshb wrote: »

SF are barking on about how they are the biggest party, the party people want to see in power.....

Trump's WHO funding cut is global news during a global pandemic that affects so so many......

Yes, I'd like to hear SFs views on this, seeing as they are the party who polled so well.

Coveney and others are well within their rights to react and comment on the WHO funding cut....they are politicians, for chrissake, of course they should make their views known.

Who else has commented on it from Irish politics?

Did FF make any statement on it?

Did the other Simon make his views known on it? You know the Simon in health?

Been looking online don't see anything from shinners in general about it, and I for sure ain't going through each and every one of their TDs social media platforms to check.

Edgware · 16-04-2020 11:35AM

SF are spinning like hell to claim that their "mandate" is being ignored.
They are claiming that they won the popular vote and make a big issue of Micheal Martin getting elected on the 6th count. SF topped Cork South Central but FF got 7000 more Number 1s so it doesnt matter what stage a person gets elected.
SF have plenty of form for boycotting other parties so no harm to see them getting a dose of their own medicine

maccored · 16-04-2020 11:36AM

lets be honest - shinners are ****ing delighted with ff and fg going in together. well, I know I am. about time FF/FG realised they were the same party

blanch152 · 16-04-2020 11:47AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Who else has commented on it from Irish politics?

Did FF make any statement on it?

Did the other Simon make his views known on it? You know the Simon in health?

Been looking online don't see anything from shinners in general about it, and I for sure ain't going through each and every one of their TDs social media platforms to check.

Apart from some whinging, you would struggle to find anything of note being said by Sinn Fein at the moment.

The funniest was Louise O'Reilly complaining about uncosted programmes for government. It was like she hadn't realised that the world has changed with Covid-19.

McMurphy · 16-04-2020 11:57AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Apart from some whinging, you would struggle to find anything of note being said by Sinn Fein at the moment.

The funniest was Louise O'Reilly complaining about uncosted programmes for government. It was like she hadn't realised that the world has changed with Covid-19.

Well that didn't answer the question I didn't ask you.

walshb · 16-04-2020 12:04PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Who else has commented on it from Irish politics?

Did FF make any statement on it?

Did the other Simon make his views known on it? You know the Simon in health?

Been looking online don't see anything from shinners in general about it, and I for sure ain't going through each and every one of their TDs social media platforms to check.

Relax. I am just wondering if they made a statement on it....

FG did.....

Global news that affects so many people......just thought Ireland's "biggest" party may have given a view.

16-04-2020 12:55PM

walshb wrote: »

Relax. I am just wondering if they made a statement on it....

FG did.....

Global news that affects so many people......just thought Ireland's "biggest" party may have given a view.

As an aside the announcement by crazy Donny is fake news its a sop to his followers the WHO will get their funding when this is all over it similar to his wall with Mexico which never happned, meanwhile, real-world Mexico and the US get on with it.

The gesture is everything to Donney and his advisors.

Its call the front stage and backstage it amazes me how many are fooled by it.

Mortelaro · 16-04-2020 01:03PM

maccored wrote: »

lets be honest - shinners are ****ing delighted with ff and fg going in together. well, I know I am. about time FF/FG realised they were the same party

I dont think it will be a cake walk for Sinn Féin especially if theres no austere budgets just stimulus ones
I can't wait for FF and FG to merge with Sinn Féin and our new Taoiseach Jack Chambers in about 30 years
Civil war and troubles a distant memory then
Remember you've heard it here first

Sultan_of_Ping · 16-04-2020 01:43PM

walshb wrote: »

Have SF made any comments on Trump's WHO cut to funding?

Yes, SF were devastated to hear their concert had been cancelled but they are looking forward to it taking place in March 2021 - their thoughts and prayers were with those who bought tickets.

piplip87 · 16-04-2020 02:06PM

If anybody who is struggling to pass time during lockdown, I cannot recommend the Facebook Group "Friends that Vote Sinn Fein" enough. It's everything you would expect in such a group. 1)Homophobic comments thrown at the Taoiseach

2) Conspiracy theories about COVID19

3) Calls to stop recognising the state and just build a dictatorship around MaryLou

4) Calls to riot and take to the streets

5) We voted for change brigade is everywhere

I do hope whoever leads the next government invests in education and a expanded Civics program and it seems many many SF supporters don't have the slightest clue how our system of governance works.

Here is the pick of the bunch.....

Amarach, the polling company that does the Claire Byrne Live poll have sent out questions to 1000 people for next week's show. Just please, please read the first 4 loaded questions.

1) Thinking back on all that has happened since do you wish you had voted differently in the February General Election?

2) Fianna Fail and Fine Gael seem to be the only parties making any real effort to form a Govt: should other parties play their part?

3) So much has changed since the Election. Do we really need another election?

4) Everything has changed since the Election.. Do we need parties which can work together to form a cohesive Govt?

And we think America is bad with Fox News!!!!

limnam · 16-04-2020 02:13PM

What skill did you gain in quarantine.

Stalking FB groups of political parties I don't support.

Some mothers do av em

Fann Linn · 16-04-2020 06:25PM

piplip87 wrote: »

If anybody who is struggling to pass time during lockdown, I cannot recommend the Facebook Group "Friends that Vote Sinn Fein" enough. It's everything you would expect in such a group. 1)Homophobic comments thrown at the Taoiseach

2) Conspiracy theories about COVID19

3) Calls to stop recognising the state and just build a dictatorship around MaryLou

4) Calls to riot and take to the streets

5) We voted for change brigade is everywhere

I do hope whoever leads the next government invests in education and a expanded Civics program and it seems many many SF supporters don't have the slightest clue how our system of governance works.

Here is the pick of the bunch.....

You go trawling facebuke to make an argument?
Scarleh for ya.

blanch152 · 16-04-2020 07:28PM

piplip87 wrote: »

If anybody who is struggling to pass time during lockdown, I cannot recommend the Facebook Group "Friends that Vote Sinn Fein" enough. It's everything you would expect in such a group. 1)Homophobic comments thrown at the Taoiseach

2) Conspiracy theories about COVID19

3) Calls to stop recognising the state and just build a dictatorship around MaryLou

4) Calls to riot and take to the streets

5) We voted for change brigade is everywhere

I do hope whoever leads the next government invests in education and a expanded Civics program and it seems many many SF supporters don't have the slightest clue how our system of governance works.

Here is the pick of the bunch.....

Seems similar to much of the rhetoric we read on here.

Fionn1952 · 17-04-2020 09:29AM

While pages like that referenced above are often the lowest common denominator of internet political discussion, filled with numpties who don't have the first clue what they're talking about, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to point out that 2nd polling question is loaded as hell and wouldn't pass muster on any reasonably scientific public sentiment survey.

I'm not sure what the point of pointing that post out as, 'the pick of the bunch' is when you say the page is full of homophobic nonsense. I usually notice these types of pages are full of anti-EU rhetoric, almost exclusively posted by people who don't understand how the EU works, economic policy suggestions from people who don't understand basic economics.....and the worst you can point out is that someone is picking out some loaded questions from a survey for our state broadcaster?!

blanch152 · 17-04-2020 09:33AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Well that didn't answer the question I didn't ask you.

Let me help.

McMurphy wrote: »

Who else has commented on it from Irish politics?

Did FF make any statement on it?

Did the other Simon make his views known on it? You know the Simon in health?

Been looking online don't see anything from shinners in general about it, and I for sure ain't going through each and every one of their TDs social media platforms to check.

You made an accurate statement that having looked online you didn't see anything from shinners in general about it.

blanch152 wrote: »

Apart from some whinging, you would struggle to find anything of note being said by Sinn Fein at the moment.

The funniest was Louise O'Reilly complaining about uncosted programmes for government. It was like she hadn't realised that the world has changed with Covid-19.

I was in agreement with you and extended your analogy to point out that Sinn Fein weren't saying much about anything at all other than some whinging.

I am not sure why you are so upset at me agreeing with you.

Bishop of hope · 17-04-2020 09:40AM

Fionn1952 wrote: »

While pages like that referenced above are often the lowest common denominator of internet political discussion, filled with numpties who don't have the first clue what they're talking about, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to point out that 2nd polling question is loaded as hell and wouldn't pass muster on any reasonably scientific public sentiment survey.

I'm not sure what the point of pointing that post out as, 'the pick of the bunch' is when you say the page is full of homophobic nonsense. I usually notice these types of pages are full of anti-EU rhetoric, almost exclusively posted by people who don't understand how the EU works, economic policy suggestions from people who don't understand basic economics.....and the worst you can point out is that someone is picking out some loaded questions from a survey for our state broadcaster?!

Doesent matter your opinion or the educational or non educational qualifications of the political bolox, he/she gets to have an opinion and a vote.
The vote of the I'll informed and uneducated and educated bolox is what elects the politician (who in most cases are self serving egotists) who happen to think they aren't boloxs, when in fact they are often the biggest boloxs of all.

Bishop of hope · 17-04-2020 09:52AM

FF and FG have put together an aspirational uncosted document with something for everyone as a guideline for political agreement in the hope of getting some other group, most likely the greens, to bite.
There are no clearly stated absolute musts included, everything depends on the economic state, is up for negotiation and might not ever be included in Govt policy.
And people are clamouring for this to be put together and get them into Govt as quickly as possible so we can "stabilise" the country.
If SF, or any party for that matter, produced this document as a manifesto prior to an election, they would be ridiculed to the last by te media.
But such is the Desperation of none SF supporters that they will accept virtually anything the other parties throw out to keep SF out.
There is definitely a flawed mentality in that.

Fionn1952 · 17-04-2020 09:55AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Doesent matter your opinion or the educational or non educational qualifications of the political bolox, he/she gets to have an opinion and a vote.
The vote of the I'll informed and uneducated and educated bolox is what elects the politician (who in most cases are self serving egotists) who happen to think they aren't boloxs, when in fact they are often the biggest boloxs of all.

I'm aware how democracy works, and fully support the fact that everyone gets a vote.

It is entirely possible to fully support the right of every adult to have a vote, while despairing the fact that a significant number of people are easily swayed by low grade propaganda and nonsense on social media without applying a modicum of fact checking.

For one to accept that, 'the uneducated and ill informed boll*ckses' are responsible for electing the politicians we have, the majority of the voting public would need to be made up of, 'the uneducated and ill informed'. I don't believe that is the case. With all these types of thing, it seems to me that it's an overly loud, small minority.

If you're interpreting my post as anti-SF rhetoric, I'd suggest you're reading it too deeply. My post is a criticism of fixed, narrow interest political boards on social media and the low grade of discussion and factual content that such echo chambers create. Hell, I've been accused of being a, 'Shinnerbot' on here in the past despite them receiving a pretty low transfer position on my ballot during the most recent elections.

Mortelaro · 17-04-2020 10:20AM

It's a parameters paper,nothing else
It is not a costed programme for government and isn't meant to be
Those come later
I'd expect the greens will climb on board if their 7% pa emissions reduction target is agreed subject to it not harming sectors of the economy
I'd expect labour will stay out as will the soc dems because the SF blocking parties as part of their plan will want them to soak up the next protest vote

I'd not be surprised if labour and soc Dems merged during the 5 year opposition term

McMurphy · 17-04-2020 10:40AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

It's a parameters paper,nothing else
It is not a costed programme for government and isn't meant to be
Those come later
I'd expect the greens will climb on board if their 7% pa emissions reduction target is agreed subject to it not harming sectors of the economy
I'd expect labour will stay out as will the soc dems because the SF blocking parties as part of their plan will want them to soak up the next protest vote

I'd not be surprised if labour and soc Dems merged during the 5 year opposition term

I wouldn't be betting any money on the greens becoming a mudguard for FFG tbh, Eamon Ryan might not the the sharpest tool in the shed, but having brought the party back from the near ten years of political obscurity, surely he's not that stupid to risk it again just for a ministerial position - plus it's hardly a coincidence he has been the most vocal of all the TDs screaming for a national government of unity, IE one where they're equally culpable and no one becomes a scapegoat.

I still have an unsettled bet with Paddy Power, that the last election would result in a FF minority one, it's as good as lost at this stage as it's next to impossible.

I still think it'll be back to the polls as the greens/labour and the SocDems won't be stupid enough to become FFG Patsy's, or a National government until the pandemic passes.

Michaél might be on the cusp of making history alright, but it won't be the one he is hoping for.

Leo and his own cynical power grab will have to wait for another once in a lifetime health pandemic to come around again.

Mortelaro · 17-04-2020 10:49AM

I'm not betting on the greens, I'm expecting

McMurphy · 17-04-2020 10:54AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I'm not betting on the greens, I'm expecting

I'm not betting on them either, but I hope your expectations aren't set too high.

You think Ryan is going to go from the loudest voice of advocating a national government to getting into bed with FF and FG?

I wouldn't be holding my breath if I were you.

Mortelaro · 17-04-2020 10:59AM

I think the Greens if given what they want don't care about future elections as much
They look for opportunities

McMurphy · 17-04-2020 11:20AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I think the Greens if given what they want don't care about future elections as much
They look for opportunities

Well that's another way of looking at it I suppose, but personally I'll be genuinely surprised if he (Eamonn Ryan) does a huge 180 on his own insistence that it's a national government needed.

He even wrote a fairly lengthy article in the Irish times saying so.

Eamon Ryan: Why we need a national unity government

Recreating the traditional divide between government and opposition just now runs the risk of bringing division on how we deliver the many other emergency measures that will be needed. In ordinary times such divisions are the sign of a good democracy but these are not ordinary times. We have seen in recent weeks the public administrative system having to present sweeping measures, in timelines which scarcely allow for effective legislative scrutiny. More urgent decisions are going to be needed in the coming months and it makes sense in such circumstances to have a range of parties directly involved in the policymaking process.

The national government would bring together the best people from across the Dáil and involve all parties in the collective proposition of solutions to get us out of an inevitable economic downturn. We are suggesting cabinet ministries be allocated on a proportionate basis and it would be up to the parties to agree quickly in advance who takes on which portfolios. This cannot take long but it is the biggest obstacle to making a national government happen.

Would be a spectacular u-turn to go back on that imo.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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