Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Yurt2 · 15-04-2020 11:06AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Notwithstanding the fact that you are incorrect in your assertion that the 65k issue was dealt with,I'm wondering are you going for a forum equivalent of a Darwin award for the most self righteous indignant post ever with the above

I heard Margret Cash got a 65k gaffe in Venezuela. Bought if off a plumber.

Mortelaro · 15-04-2020 11:11AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I heard Margret Cash got a 65k gaffe in Venezuela. Bought if off a plumber.

Back that up!

CtevenSrowder · 15-04-2020 11:21AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Back that up!

You mean: Back that up...pal!

Horsebox9000 · 15-04-2020 11:45AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I heard Margret Cash got a 65k gaffe in Venezuela. Bought if off a plumber.

Anyone who disagrees with this is obviously extreme right

Sultan_of_Ping · 15-04-2020 11:51AM

Horsebox9000 wrote: »

Anyone who disagrees with this is obviously extreme right

@Horsebox9000...... did you sell her the pony? (given your moniker

)

MAGS' LITTLE PONY Homeless campaigner and mum-of-seven Margaret Cash loving life in new pad – and reveals she gave son pony for his birthday

Whelo79 · 15-04-2020 12:57PM

Historical deal based on the policies of 'excluded' Sinn Fein[b\]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/historic-deal-based-on-the-policies-of-excluded-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4229003?mode=amp

Horsebox9000 · 15-04-2020 12:58PM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

@Horsebox9000...... did you sell her the pony? (given your moniker )

MAGS' LITTLE PONY Homeless campaigner and mum-of-seven Margaret Cash loving life in new pad – and reveals she gave son pony for his birthday

I've entered into a 20 year lease with Dublin Corpo for rental of luxury pony.
She is entitled to it of course just like we are entitled to everything

ThunbergsAreGo · 15-04-2020 01:01PM

Whelo79 wrote: »

Historical deal based on the policies of 'excluded' Sinn Fein[b\]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/historic-deal-based-on-the-policies-of-excluded-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4229003?mode=amp

If thats the case, they would be losing my vote (if there was in any way a viable alternative within this country).

Seems like a race to the left/populism is underway.

Lets remember, not enough people voted for "change" for "change" to form a government.

Jinglejangle69 · 15-04-2020 01:17PM

Yurt! wrote: »

I'm well paid by my job.

One of my hobbies (particularly during lockdown) is wrecking right-wing dummies who don't listen, sneer at the less well off and think they have it all figured out by being mean-spirited.

You got it handed to you in this thread (65k houses anyone?) and the evidence is all over the thread, though it may be painful for you to look at.

Margaret Cash, Venezuela, Margaret Cash, Venezuela, plumbers.

Have I missed anything?

Oh, and the best part? I'm not even a member of Sinn Féin and have given them a first preference a sum total one time in my voting life.

Once again it wasn't me who brought up the 65k houses or Venezuela.

As usual you're lying and deflecting.

Any link for some posters here saying there is no plumbers??

Im waiting since yesterday.

You wouldn't have been lying again surely??

McMurphy · 15-04-2020 01:18PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

If thats the case, they would be losing my vote (if there was in any way a viable alternative within this country).

Seems like a race to the left/populism is underway.

Lets remember, not enough people voted for "change" for "change" to form a government.

I would expect many others to now be adopting the same stance, I mean surely no one with a shrewd of credibility could stand over hundreds or thousands of posts berating proposed shinner policies as "pie in the sky's shinnernomics, unworkable leftist populism pandering to the dole scroungers, Venezuela, Syriza" and so on and so forth - and now cheerlead FFG for robbing and then implementing these same policies?

Surely not Thun, surely not?

I mean we already had a case here of someone complaining about the shinners proposal to build 60k "free gaffs'" (his words not mine) who was unaware the FG party had the same proposal (announced only a few months ago) apparently also robbed from the shinners?

The incoming twisting and contortions will surely provide me with weeks of entertainment, even more so than had the Shinners ran more candidates and further relegated FFGs seat numbers.

It will be a welcoming distraction from the covid 19 doom and gloom if nothing else I suppose.

It'll still be funny though.

christy c · 15-04-2020 01:31PM

McMurphy wrote: »

The incoming twisting and contortions will surely provide me with weeks of entertainment, l

A read over your own posts would have you in stitches if that is the case. Remember all your posts about Maria Bailey and how you found it so funny? Yet SF decided to run a candidate who shafted a charity, who gets in to spats on Facebook with her constituents and calls her fellow politicians childish names yet there is barely a peep out of you.

However I do agree with the poster you replied to.

ThunbergsAreGo · 15-04-2020 01:33PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I would expect many others to now be adopting the same stance, I mean surely no one with a shrewd of credibility could stand over hundreds or thousands of posts berating proposed shinner policies as "pie in the sky's shinnernomics, unworkable leftist populism pandering to the dole scroungers, Venezuela, Syriza" and so on and so forth - and now cheerlead FFG for robbing and then implementing these same policies?

Surely not Thun, surely not?

I mean we already had a case here of someone complaining about the shinners proposal to build 60k "free gaffs'" (his words not mine) who was unaware the FG party had the same proposal (announced only a few months ago) apparently also robbed from the shinners?

The incoming twisting and contortions will surely provide me with weeks of entertainment, even more so than had the Shinners ran more candidates and further relegated FFGs seat numbers.

It will be a welcoming distraction from the covid 19 doom and gloom if nothing else I suppose.

It'll still be funny though.

I will agree with you on a good deal of that, but to be honest all this bickering on multiple threads is a bit boring :cool:

I am not as sure as "even more so than had the Shinners ran more candidates". We will never know this.

To be honest, no idea where we will get the money, for any of this after the current crisis!!!

McMurphy · 15-04-2020 01:34PM

christy c wrote: »

A read over your own posts would have you in stitches if that is the case. Remember all your posts about Maria Bailey and how you found it so funny? Yet SF decided to run a candidate who shafted a charity, who gets in to spats on Facebook with her constituents and calls her fellow politicians childish names yet there is barely a peep out of you.

However I do agree with the poster you replied to.

Sinn Fein should boot that TD from the party and introduce a much more stringent vetting process for future candidates.

If any of that fly's in the face of my condemnation of Maria Bailey and how she tried to stroke a local business and how leo tried to bury the story, let me know Christy and I'll run through it with you Christy.

I know you wanted me to further simplify an already kid friendly simple post last night, but c'mon now chief, surely you're made of better stuff than the above scutter?

christy c · 15-04-2020 01:44PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Sinn Fein should boot that TD from the party and introduce a much more stringent vetting process for future candidates.

If any of that fly's in the face of my condemnation of Maria Bailey and how she tried to stroke a local business and how leo tried to bury the story, let me know Christy and I'll run through it with you chief.

I know you wanted me to further simplify an already kid friendly simple post last night, but c'mon now chief, surely you're made of better stuff than the above scutter?

You were perfectly entitled to criticise Maria Bailey and laugh at it. I'm just pointing out your double standards as to how there is barely a peep out of you with regard to that one in Clare, yet you were all over Maria Bailey.

I didn't want you to simplify anything last night, I added some clarity. That's all, seems you didn't like that now for some reason.

McMurphy · 15-04-2020 02:06PM

christy c wrote: »

You were perfectly entitled to criticise Maria Bailey and laugh at it. I'm just pointing out your double standards as to how there is barely a peep out of you with regard to that one in Clare, yet you were all over Maria Bailey.

I didn't want you to simplify anything last night, I added some clarity. That's all, seems you didn't like that now for some reason.

I think Christy that you night have a very poor grasp of the term double standards, double standards would be me chastising Maria Bailey and leo while defending your other one.

I didn't even know who she was when the thread was opened, I didn't recognise the name.

So in actual fact, you're whinging in that I'm not posting in a thread calling for her head is that it?

Maria Bailey should have been booted from the party when her and Josephas plan got exposed.

The Sinn Fein TD should also get the same treatment, and a more thorough vetting process should be in place for future candidates.

It doesn't matter a shiny shyte to me what party a TD or minister hails from, if they're indulging in unethical practices, blast them into orbit so far as I'm concerned.

Do you see where your double standards argument has a gaping big hole in the side of it Christy?

christy c · 15-04-2020 02:16PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I think Christy that you night have a very poor grasp of the term double standards, double standards would be me chastising Maria Bailey and leo while defending your other one.

I didn't even know who she was when the thread was opened, I didn't recognise the name.

So in actual fact, you're whinging in that I'm not posting in a thread calling for her head is that it?

Maria Bailey should have been booted from the party when her and Josephas plan got exposed.

The Sinn Fein TD should also get the same treatment, and a more thorough vetting process should be in place for future candidates.

It doesn't matter a shiny shyte to me what party a TD or minister hails from, if they're indulging in unethical practices, blast them into orbit so far as I'm concerned.

Do you see where your double standards argument has a gaping big hole in the side of it Christy?

I'm pointing out that you found MB's thing so bad that it warranted multiple posts, yet barely a peep on that one in Clare. I'd see that as a double standard. Call that whinging if you want.

McMurphy · 15-04-2020 02:22PM

christy c wrote: »

I'm pointing out that you found MB's thing so bad that it warranted multiple posts, yet barely a peep on that one in Clare. I'd see that as a double standard. Call that whinging if you want.

I repeat, double standards me bollocks, if we are to use your protocol to gauge double standards, no doubt the shinner TD thread will be chock full of posters calling for your one's head, with numerous posts in any of the Maria Bailey threads calling for her head too?

I don't have the inclination to check, but if we were to place a wager - I'd fancy my chances that you would look like talking through your backside over me all day everyday.

Perhaps your bored in lockdown Christy, I don't know. But trying to find holes in my post history won't work. You're the one coming off badly from it, but sure carry on if you want, I'll not shy away from it, I'm up for the challenge.

And to think this all started over the blueshirts robbing the shinners policies. Get up the yard chief

tikkahunter · 15-04-2020 02:22PM

McMurphy wrote: »

You should vote for the blueshirts so, no way they'd bother their mickeys building 60k free gaffs.

This is awkward.

60,000 social housing units to be built by 2025 under Fine Gael plan

Literally from Jan this year.

Yeah had a read of that and if that is what they proposed then they are as bad as SF , i voted for neither so its irreverent to me and hardly awkward.Like what is the point in working hard and trying to better yourself if someone else can sit on their hole and get the same for noting? As for waltzing into this thread , the only one doing that is yourself ,i have been posting on it for weeks .You only just arrived when Mary Lou got corvid because it gave you something to shout about , why did you not argue the point on any other issues that have been discussed on here for the past few weeks? You just arrive on and become Francie mark2 and pick and choose what you want to reply to.

Odhinn · 15-04-2020 02:23PM

tikkahunter wrote: »

We’ll go research it (....................)on social media promoting SF .

So you've no facts and that earlier link didn't contain the content you claimed it did. Great stuff.

christy c · 15-04-2020 02:30PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I repeat, double standards me bollocks, if we are to use your protocol to gauge double standards, no doubt the shinner TD will be chock full of posters calling for your one's head, with equal posts in any of the Maria Bailey threads calling for her head too?

I don't have the inclination to check, but if we were to place a wager - if fancy my chances that you would look like talking through your backside.

Perhaps your bored in lockdown Christy, I don't know. But trying to find holes in my post history won't work. You're the one coming off badly from it, but sure carry on if you want, I'll not shy away from it.

And to think this all started over the blueshirts robbing the shinners policies. Get up the yard chief

Haha, repeat what you want but but I've still shown differing treatment by you based on two TDs acting the boll*x. Are there others posters guilty of that? I'm sure there are.

Anyway, if someone else's posts give you amusement great- enjoy.

Tokyo · 15-04-2020 02:35PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yurt! wrote: »

I'll help you out here on the big words:

dis·in·gen·u·ous
/ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/

adjective
not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Are you sure you're using the right word here pal?

You've presented nothing but the word disengenuous (used incorrectly)

You're a nasty piece of work.

Pal, chump.

You really are full of it.

I asked you for evidence of your claim plumbers don't exist yesterday and all you replied with was you tube videos about Venezuela when it wasn't even me who made the long post comparing SF to Venezuela.

All you do is deflect and snipe when asked for evidence of your nonsense claims.

I hope you're been paid well to make a fool of yourself here daily.

Mod: @Jinglejangle69, @Yurt! - Don't post in this thread again.

McMurphy · 15-04-2020 02:36PM

tikkahunter wrote: »

Yeah had a read of that and if that is what they proposed then they are as bad as SF , i voted for neither so its irreverent to me and hardly awkward.Like what is the point in working hard and trying to better yourself if someone else can sit on their hole and get the same for noting? As for waltzing into this thread , the only one doing that is yourself ,i have been posting on it for weeks .You only just arrived when Mary Lou got corvid because it gave you something to shout about , why did you not argue the point on any other issues that have been discussed on here for the past few weeks? You just arrive on and become Francie mark2 and pick and choose what you want to reply to.

Another poster complaining I have not been posting enough on a thread, post in a thread a lot, and complaining about posting in them too much, you can't win sometimes it seems.

It is however interesting that you say you've been posting in it for weeks - were trumpeting about shinners 60k free gaffs', yet didn't know fg had the same promise made, that's a bit strange to me tbh.

You are now saying I only came on to say something about Mary Lou, and then pulled your 60k free gaff spiel asunder so that's a contradiction in itself.

But anyway, you've been re-educated about free gaffs and who is promising them, if it stops you droning on post after post with the same misconception I consider that a job well done.

tikkahunter · 15-04-2020 03:28PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Another poster complaining I have not been posting enough on a thread, post in a thread a lot, and complaining about posting in them too much, you can't win sometimes it seems.

It is however interesting that you say you've been posting in it for weeks - were trumpeting about shinners 60k free gaffs', yet didn't know fg had the same promise made, that's a bit strange to me tbh.

You are now saying I only came on to say something about Mary Lou, and then pulled your 60k free gaff spiel asunder so that's a contradiction in itself.

But anyway, you've been re-educated about free gaffs and who is promising them, if it stops you droning on post after post with the same misconception I consider that a job well done.

Another poster complaining I have not been posting enough on a thread, post in a thread a lot, and complaining about posting in them too much, you can't win sometimes it seems.

No sorry your wrong , you accused me of just waltzing into a thread with a one liner about free gaffs .I pointed out i had been on the thread weeks and was arguing the point on a number of issues not just the housing policy. If you where on the thread you would have seen that

It is however interesting that you say you've been posting in it for weeks - were trumpeting about shinners 60k free gaffs', yet didn't know fg had the same promise made, that's a bit strange to me tbh.

Looks like you just stumbled on that yourself , why would you or your fellow shinners not have posted it before

You are now saying I only came on to say something about Mary Lou, and then pulled your 60k free gaff spiel asunder so that's a contradiction in itself.

No you did just appear on the thread as soon as the Mary Lou story hit the headlines. So i am correct on that.

But anyway, you've been re-educated about free gaffs and who is promising them, if it stops you droning on post after post with the same misconception I consider that a job well done

Maybe i was unaware of FG saying that but that is probably because they didn't spend the whole campaign promising them, like SF .

I didn't vote for FG but i can recognize when they are trying their best during this pandemic and have got an awful lot right during it and i respect that but that is beyond most SF supporters because no matter how well FG do they will continue with the hate and boil online and on social media even though their party offer no viable solutions.

15-04-2020 09:30PM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

This is the biggest myth SF have been peddling, in my opinion.

Their core vote is somewhere between 12 and 15% - those people are going to vote for them no matter how many "ex"-paramilitaries they employ, or how many representatives they bully out of the party.

Being generous, even if we assume they doubled their vote from 12% to the 24% of first preferences achieved in the recent GE, that's only* 12% of the electorate who swapped their vote to SF, meaning 88% either voted as they normally do or went with someone else.

Can a vote for SF be regarded as a vote for change, when at most only* 1-in-8 switched their allegiance to them? Maybe if you've the mathematical ability of a typical SF supporter you can regard it as such but whatever way you spin it many, many more people declined to vote SF than actually voted SF.

*I use the word "only" here in discussing proportions - in terms of vote swing a 12% gain is, relatively speaking, a rare event.

It's about controlling the narrative, and the gullible will fall for it.

Likewise SF are not a left wing party, but you still have people believing they are because you have planks like Blindboy spouting on about them being "left". They favour the privatisation of State assets, they are against property taxes etc. Both classically right wing positions.

As pointed out, FG want to build nearly as many social houses as SF do.

McMurphy · 15-04-2020 10:11PM

Tikka I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm not what could be considered a Shinner, you and Christy have both mentioned my lack of input to two specific shinner related threads, bit odd I'd not be in them considering, isn't it?

Yeah I'm republican minded, I aspire for a united Ireland, and whilst I recognised the need for the IRA to have existed in the north especially with the need to protect the nationalist community, who were subjected to some of the most extreme discrimination and killings from the unionist and British govt at the time, I also think a lot of their actions were regrettable.

I have voted FF in the past, I've voted labour, I've voted FG in local elections and I've voted Sinn Fein and the SDs too.

No party owns my vote, when I cast mine, I lend them it, and if they do a sh1t job, they don't get it in the next election and I'll call them out on their failures.

Don't confuse my ridiculing of FG their failures and cronyism with me being a shinner, one thing doesn't necessarily mean the other.

You're wrong about me "only finding out" about the FG proposed "free gaffs" - I've went toe to toe with posters on this very site during the election campaign about this proposal, some lads making the same error as you, calling out the shinners plan, while seemingly unaware the blueshirts were preparing the same thing, you on the other hand actually did only find out this startling revelation today.

The next election is going to be a bit of a brain teaser for you I imagine, fg wanting to build these houses for your aforementioned scroungers and gougers, you'll surely not be supporting them, you might have to look a bit further to the right.

I on the other hand will most likely give the shinners another nod in the next election, followed by the SDS (who I'm watching very closely) if they facilitate FFG in the next govt, they've lost my future vote, and I have personally text C.M to tell her so, and to be fair she gave me a courteous reply.

If or when they fcuk about and start any auld shyte with cronyism or corruption, my vote will go elsewhere the next time.

The problem with Ireland is that there's not enough other floating voters like me, staying loyal and faithful to a particular party no matter what, like some kind of football team is numb skull stupid. This forum is full of such folk.

I call their blind loyalty out for sh1ts and giggles.

blanch152 · 15-04-2020 11:40PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I think Christy that you night have a very poor grasp of the term double standards, double standards would be me chastising Maria Bailey and leo while defending your other one.

I didn't even know who she was when the thread was opened, I didn't recognise the name.

So in actual fact, you're whinging in that I'm not posting in a thread calling for her head is that it?

Maria Bailey should have been booted from the party when her and Josephas plan got exposed.

The Sinn Fein TD should also get the same treatment, and a more thorough vetting process should be in place for future candidates.

It doesn't matter a shiny shyte to me what party a TD or minister hails from, if they're indulging in unethical practices, blast them into orbit so far as I'm concerned.

Do you see where your double standards argument has a gaping big hole in the side of it Christy?

Do you approve of TDs convicted for gun-running?
Do you approve of TDs who are anti-vaxxers?
Do you approve of TDS convicted for bomb-making?

Should they be evicted as well?

What do you think of a party who deselects unsavoury candidates at an election and one who doesn’t?

Do you realise that your man in Tallaght and the bread fella are still officially Sinn Fein councillors?

walshb · 16-04-2020 08:49AM

Have SF made any comments on Trump's WHO cut to funding?

Yurt2 · 16-04-2020 09:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

IThey favour the privatisation of State assets, they are against property taxes etc. Both classically right wing positions.

Only someone gainsaying in the death sting of losing of an argument would characterize a national affordable housing project as a classically right wing position.

All over the map and patently bamboozled.

EDIT: Apologies, didn't see the mod note asking me not to post in the thread again.

christy c · 16-04-2020 09:19AM

walshb wrote: »

Have SF made any comments on Trump's WHO cut to funding?

Am I missing something here? What is the link?

16-04-2020 09:28AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Only someone gainsaying in the death sting of losing of an argument would characterize a national affordable housing project as a classically right wing position.

All over the map and patently bamboozled.

EDIT: Apologies, didn't see the mod note asking me not to post in the thread again.

I know you can't reply on this thread, so I'll keep general but privatisation is a right wing position. Giving away state assets at low cost (or in this case for free) is verging on neo-liberalism. No amount of spinning from any SF supporter can change that.

It's like SF's support for austerity in NI, or opposing property taxes here. They are a fake left-wing party.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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