Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

17-04-2020 09:25AM

Pat Kenny interviewing Simon Harris about this now on Newstalk. To be honest I find Simon Harris responses extremely irritating and patronising.

Hes basically saying there's nothing to see here and "maybe" in a few weeks we will look at this a bit closer! In the meantime its vital for our citizens to stay at home and wash their hands! He's damn patronizing , feels like we are being bold school children and being told what to do. Crazy!

I picked fruit for years as a youngster, would have thought there would be loads of people here interested in picking fruit for Keelings.

stephenjmcd · 17-04-2020 09:26AM

GarIT wrote: »

The economy doesn't matter, it's the last thing to worry about right now

What a stupid comment. The economy doesn't matter, just wow

paw patrol · 17-04-2020 09:26AM

average_runner wrote: »

The jobs were advertised on their website and still crying for people.

Again these people will be force to stay on the farm and are coming a better country in regards to Corona.

Irish aren't staying at home anyhow, had to bring dog to the vet yesterday and the number out in groups was huge.

how do you know this?
I see the keelings workers around swords everyday ..

are they all suddenly banned cos of these 189 ?
Who will go to the shops for them? or the off licence?
Can you tell me ?

weldoninhio · 17-04-2020 09:26AM

gmisk wrote: »

Kellings collapses tonnes of Irish jobs lost ah yeah sure who cares.

Keelings isn't a market stall. One lost crop of strawberries isn't going to impact them.

Graham · 17-04-2020 09:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hes basically saying there's nothing to see here

Good man Simon.

Ballso · 17-04-2020 09:26AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pat Kenny interviewing Simon Harris about this now on Newstalk. To be honest I find Simon Harris responses extremely irritating and patronising!!

Hes basically saying there's nothing to see here and "maybe" in a few weeks we will look at this a bit closer!!! In the meantime its vital for our citizens to stay at home and wash their hands!!! I'm fuming. He's damn patronizing , feels like we are being bold school children and being told what to do. Crazy!

You are like children. Idiots.

average_runner · 17-04-2020 09:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pat Kenny interviewing Simon Harris about this now on Newstalk. To be honest I find Simon Harris responses extremely irritating and patronising!!

Hes basically saying there's nothing to see here and "maybe" in a few weeks we will look at this a bit closer!!! In the meantime its vital for our citizens to stay at home and wash their hands!!! I'm fuming. He's damn patronizing , feels like we are being bold school children and being told what to do. Crazy!

He is right. Except we aren't staying at home.

Graham · 17-04-2020 09:27AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What a stupid comment. The economy doesn't matter, just wow

Or food production across Europe apparently.

Some real bizarro logic in this thread.

Harry Palmr · 17-04-2020 09:27AM

maestroamado wrote: »

I do not see anything wrong with them coming to pick the fruit as long as they self isolate, that's what the medics that came back to work in our hospitals did.
It will be easy to keep distance as strawberry be well spaced, we have our Gardai monitoring so i expect it will be a work-camp type of thing.
Keeling's have the fruit that needs picking, it is not work suitable for Irish workers?? they have little choice but employ and pay the people that want/need the money.
I read somewhere (maybe here) that the fruit growers in UK were inundated with local applicants for field work.

I am one of the people who complains about import of veg that we traditionally grew in this country as i would like us to be more self efficient in this area.
I not too worries about fruit as we have not the climate to grow oranges etc...

True, the issue here may be the fact that companies have paid up front for the employment of these pickers so they've sunk thousands and haven't a berry picked or planted (for the late summer crop). Abandoning them and paying locals, who have probably never harvested anything beyond their back garden would be poor management as seen from their point of view/bottom line

Jinglejangle69 · 17-04-2020 09:27AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pat Kenny interviewing Simon Harris about this now on Newstalk. To be honest I find Simon Harris responses extremely irritating and patronising!!

Hes basically saying there's nothing to see here and "maybe" in a few weeks we will look at this a bit closer!!! In the meantime its vital for our citizens to stay at home and wash their hands!!! I'm fuming. He's damn patronizing , feels like we are being bold school children and being told what to do. Crazy!

Yes because our citizens still aren't staying at home.

Out getting ice cream in droves.

Essential travel?

gmisk · 17-04-2020 09:27AM

paw patrol wrote: »

many people are missing the point - It'[s not about foreigners or strawberries.

as a nation we are all making sacrifices for this Covid19 .

People are confined to house (2km) haven't seen family in weeks, lost jobs and debts mounting up, cancelled holidays , firms going bust etc..etc…

The Taoiseach addresses the nation and gives the heartfelt pleas etc..
Now we see this.

Whatever you say , these people are adding to the mix. This cant be denied.
At a time when no more than 10 people can attend a funeral.

It's nonsense behaviour and makes a mockery of our "lockdown" and the threats from Drew Harris.

The next time the Taoiseach addresses the nation to give more updates and pleas for compliance .
His words will be empty and insincere cos of this.

So your preferred solution is to let businesses around food production employing thousands of people collapse so more firms go bust....and not enable them to provide the food to the Irish market.

The rest is like the rant of a child.

Your being asked to stay at home where possible not being sent to Nam.

17-04-2020 09:27AM

average_runner wrote: »

He is right. Except we aren't staying at home.

Who is we? I certainly am

mohawk · 17-04-2020 09:28AM

There is some amount of hysteria on this thread. We don’t know how long Covid will affect our everyday lives. For our health and well being it’s important to see fresh fruit and veg on our supermarket shelves. Imagine the panic buying if people start to see the food supply is being affected.
Picking fruit is tough work and crops have a limited timeframe that they can be picked. Who has time to train people when the food needs to be harvested ASAP. Is someone whose job was indoor, office based physically fit enough to pick fruit?
Also nothing stopping Irish people applying.

average_runner · 17-04-2020 09:29AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yes because our citizens still aren't staying at home.

Out getting ice cream in droves.

Essential travel?

Don't forget the queues outside Aldi last week for paint and garden furniture.

Really essential

17-04-2020 09:29AM

Ballso wrote: »

You are like children. Idiots.

Who is "you"? I am staying within 2km at all times. I live alone. Who on earth are you talking about? Please dont generalise

Ballso · 17-04-2020 09:30AM

GarIT wrote: »

When will it get through your thick skull that I have said so many times I don't care what happens outside of Ireland. It's gone from 189 people feeding Ireland to now they are feeding Europe?

Yeah it's everyone else who's thick Gar. You applied to work in the fields yet then?

Graham · 17-04-2020 09:30AM

GarIT wrote: »

When will it get through your thick skull that I have said so many times I don't care what happens outside of Ireland. It's gone from 189 people feeding Ireland to now they are feeding Europe?

Which part of setting a really bad precedent for food production was unclear?

FVP3 · 17-04-2020 09:31AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yes because our citizens still aren't staying at home.

Out getting ice cream in droves.

Essential travel?

Where is any proof of that? Anecdotal nonsense. Droves?

Outside of residential care homes, the virus is not spreading, it is beaten. Therefore the policies are working.

Ballso · 17-04-2020 09:31AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who is "you"? I am staying within 2km at all times. I live alone. Who on earth are you talking about? Please dont generalise

Yes you. Nobody cares about your feelings. This is a non issue.

LeBash · 17-04-2020 09:31AM

I dont get the issue here.

200 people arrive, pick food, then leave.

They will 99% only mix with themselves, they cant go to a pub, cinema etc and without people picking food we would have a much bigger problem in a month.

This is probably much safer than having 200 Irish workers all working together and then going home each night.

whisky_galore · 17-04-2020 09:32AM

average_runner wrote: »

Don't forget the queues outside Aldi last week for paint and garden furniture.

Really essential

Essential travel restructions only apply to other people.

paw patrol · 17-04-2020 09:33AM

gmisk wrote: »

So your preferred solution is to let businesses around food production employing thousands of people collapse so more firms go bust....and not enable them to provide the food to the Irish market.

The rest is like the rant of a child.

Your being asked to stay at home where possible not being sent to Nam.

no.
I think you disingenuous and twisting what I said to make a stupid point

they could have hired locally.
Since food production is so important , the state could have supplemented the sh1t wages with welfare so nobody lost out or they paid decent wages.
it doesn't seem that important of a sector if they couldn't do that.

but no - they allowed people to fly in from the other side of Europe.
They are either serious about the lockdown or they are not.

why should I bother my hole doing anything asked of me next time Leo steps up to the pulpit

Tacitus Kilgore · 17-04-2020 09:34AM

GarIT wrote: »

Is there is problem with asking to be treated fairly? Or questioning why the vast majority are making sacrifices and some aren't?

Since when was anything to do with covid19 fair?

Your logic seems to be - I can't, so noone else can either.

Luckily for the rest of us the people who make the decisions have a wider viewpoint.

seamus · 17-04-2020 09:34AM

GarIT wrote: »

Where is my guarantee they will send someone back?

Oh FFS.

We've switched onto "damn immigrants cheating their way into the country" now, have we?

You have the guarantee that they'll send them back, because they've done it every other bloody year.

Besides, these workers are all EU citizens, they could stay here if they wanted to.

KyussB · 17-04-2020 09:34AM

It's unfortunate how virtually nobody understands, that when you combine high unemployment, with free movement of labour - the average person/worker and the unemployed get fucked (former on wages, latter on employment).

It's even more unfortunate, how people consciously want income/labour standards to be eroded for everyone - so that a foreign minority can be exploited for cheap food.

Deep double standards and hypocrisy. The same people would treat the former as racist (limit migration when unemployment is high, relax it when at full employment) - and the latter as perfectly normal and not racist (reserve exploitation of workers for cheap labour, for foreigners who'll put up with it).

everlast75 · 17-04-2020 09:35AM

paw patrol wrote: »

many people are missing the point - It'[s not about foreigners or strawberries.

as a nation we are all making sacrifices for this Covid19 .

People are confined to house (2km) haven't seen family in weeks, lost jobs and debts mounting up, cancelled holidays , firms going bust etc..etc…

The Taoiseach addresses the nation and gives the heartfelt pleas etc..
Now we see this.

Whatever you say , these people are adding to the mix. This cant be denied.
At a time when no more than 10 people can attend a funeral.

It's nonsense behaviour and makes a mockery of our "lockdown" and the threats from Drew Harris.

The next time the Taoiseach addresses the nation to give more updates and pleas for compliance .
His words will be empty and insincere cos of this.

If

a) Keelings apply the appropriate HSE guidelines
b) the workers are not exploited
c) irish people have not sought the jobs and have been refused

please explain to me the issue here. I'm not being sarcastic btw - I'm genuinely asking.

Tacitus Kilgore · 17-04-2020 09:35AM

paw patrol wrote: »

no.
I think you disingenuous and twisting what I said to make a stupid point

they could have hired locally.
Since food production is so important , the state could have supplemented the sh1t wages with welfare so nobody lost out or they paid decent wages.
it doesn't seem that important of a sector if they couldn't do that.

but no - they allowed people to fly in from the other side of Europe.
They are either serious about the lockdown or they are not.

why should I bother my hole doing anything asked of me next time Leo steps up to the pulpit

They tried to hire locally, but couldn't get the numbers. What do you want?

What has this got to do with Leo insisting on social distancing? you're exposing yourself as lead by emotion, instead of logic.

blinding · 17-04-2020 09:35AM

Sure you can go where ya want now.

I’m off to Pick the Strawberries, Officer. In the Bulgarian/ Romanian Manner Officer.

Don’t be worrying about me Officer , I’m as immune as a Bulgarian / Romanian Strawberry Picker.

I can Fly , Sleep in Containers / Caravans like a Romanian / Bulgarian Strawberry Picker.

Tis'nt James Bond ya need Officer, Tis me, The Proxy Bulgarian / Romanian Strawberry Picker

Now Officer and Joe Public ; Which Leg do you want the Bells On ?

But You’ll have to pull it yourself, like a Romanian / Bulgarian Strawberry Picker:eek::eek:

Tacitus Kilgore · 17-04-2020 09:36AM

GarIT wrote: »

My logic is we shouod close the borders at any cost

I'm sorry I cannot kick another shot as the goalposts have been moved

plodder · 17-04-2020 09:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pat Kenny interviewing Simon Harris about this now on Newstalk. To be honest I find Simon Harris responses extremely irritating and patronising!!

Hes basically saying there's nothing to see here and "maybe" in a few weeks we will look at this a bit closer!!! In the meantime its vital for our citizens to stay at home and wash their hands!!! I'm fuming. He's damn patronizing , feels like we are being bold school children and being told what to do. Crazy!

He can be patronising and he shouldn't have said that. I think if Varadkar was asked the same question he would have just said - food production is an essential industry because we all need food. Period.

My view is that all businesses are morally obliged to keep going as best they can. I think the government made some big mistakes with respect to the self-employed, basically encouraging them to shutdown. Recovering from this disaster needs as many viable businesses as possible.

Bulgarian workers/Keelings - read OP (threadbans listed)

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