Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

WhiteMemento9 · 16-04-2020 11:36PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Trump's just proving just how he thinks he's the King of the United States, and not a politician who's answerable to the people....

He doesn't care about any of that. If you take human life out of it this plan makes total sense. Leave the repoening to the states. If things go well he can take all the credit for early reopning. If they go badly they he can blame the governers. It will give him even more support in states that are badly hit that he holds support that it is the big bad states not letting them open after Trump declared a reponeing. More devision for him to capitalise on and draw support. It is all disgraceful.

stephenjmcd · 16-04-2020 11:36PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Speaking of government ministers I was wonder where the Murphy fellow was and if he had raised the head above the parapet. Lo and behold I spotted him today walking down Herbert Park not a meter from the fellow that was accompanying him. I dont know his personal situation maybe he is a flat mate or a boyfriend.

Read in the independent that under a coalition government he'll be getting the chop so no wonder hes been quiet. Usually he's absolutely everywhere, prime time, tonight on virgin media etc but nope.

dundalkfc10 · 16-04-2020 11:38PM

Back in Ireland Leo has destroyed many families of the nursing home victims

He let that happen, both as bad as each other?

Tenzor07 · 16-04-2020 11:39PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I wish more people got this and the size and population of America a lot better

The lack of common sense and just working out averages etc by some people regarding Covid is really something

The population density and scale of the U.S is something a lot just don't understand..

We could fit the populations of N.Dakota, Alaska, Vermont and Washington D.C into Ireland.

tobefrank321 · 16-04-2020 11:39PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Having a go at me again ? I understand perfectly so thanks for your concern if you read back through my posts I've not once said lift all restrictions in one go read back through them you'll see any of my ideas around lifting them are phased over the space of about 3 months or more. Also reported you for another personal dig for no reason, nice trend going there.

There's no personal dig. Its evident you don't understand what happens when you lift restrictions, even in a phased basis. It means the R0 starts to climb. And restrictions then have to be reimposed. This goes on repeatedly until we get a vaccine. Unless we get new cases down to zero. But that means mandatory isolation for visitors. This point you overlook.

I'm not having a go, I'm answering your points and flawed arguments.

threeball · 16-04-2020 11:40PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I wish more people got this and the size and population of America a lot better

The lack of common sense and just working out averages etc by some people regarding Covid is really something

Trump up until some governers put him in his place was advocating opening all states. He even tonight backed the toothless goons that protested in Michigan despite the issues in that state. Some probably can be opened but have very little preparation done and others definitely can't.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-04-2020 11:42PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

What US states are easing restrictions?

None, for now.

They are also not equal to countries in Europe. They operate under the national federal government of the US. While they have limited autonomy the federal government can take action against them, particularly fiscal.

Countries in Europe are by definition sovereign.

Rob A. Bank · 16-04-2020 11:43PM

Spare a thought for Africa as this effing virus takes hold there.

Just three ventilators are available in the Central African Republic, a country of almost five million people, says David Manan, Country Director for the Norwegian Refugee Council.

“When rich nations are in panic mode stating that thousands of ventilators will not be enough, it just brings to light how poorer nations like the Central African Republic don’t stand a chance in the fight against COVID-19.”

https://time.com/5816299/coronavirus-africa-ventilators-doctors/

tobefrank321 · 16-04-2020 11:46PM

threeball wrote: »

What do you propose in that case. Its not going away now that its here. Face up to that fact and you'll save yourself alot of stress.

Remove the backlog and we're likely looking at about 500 cases a day now. With an R0 of 0.7 its down to 350 in two weeks and 250 in a month. Down to about 100 new cases in 2 months, 40 in 3 months and 20 cases a day in 4 months. Almost eliminated. If we import cases though it will lengthen that time.

The other alternatives are a series of rolling lockdowns lasting a month at a time for 18 months. Or just let it run its course while cocooning the most vulnerable. It would probably run its course in 4-5 months.

Those are the options.

ro_chez · 16-04-2020 11:49PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Best to try to eliminate this altogether in the next few months rather than lifting and imposing restrictions until a vaccine.

And how do you do that?

LiquidZeb · 16-04-2020 11:49PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Spare a thought for Africa as this effing virus takes hold there.

Just three ventilators are available in the Central African Republic, a country of almost five million people, says David Manan, Country Director for the Norwegian Refugee Council.

“When rich nations are in panic mode stating that thousands of ventilators will not be enough, it just brings to light how poorer nations like the Central African Republic don’t stand a chance in the fight against COVID-19.”

https://time.com/5816299/coronavirus-africa-ventilators-doctors/

It's honestly a horrific situation. As bad as things may be here it'll be catastrophic in places like the CAR and DRC. Hopefully once the west gets a handle on things we can give excess medical equipment to these Nations.

Hobgoblin11 · 16-04-2020 11:51PM

Roi have 7 times the number of cases than NI, how is that now ? The deaths are proportional to the population anyway

Danzy · 16-04-2020 11:51PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

German people are sensible, efficient and work together.

Irish people on the other hand....

Is that why they went bankrupt 3 times in the last century, 3 of which were record setting, in the same fit of pique, they started a war which killed 55mn and they killed 13 million in death camps, at least half of which they burnt.

Sensible, indeed.

There is a linear thinking in the German psyche, double down, stay the course, great at times but often leads to disaster for them.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-04-2020 11:55PM

https://twitter.com/SirStevoTimothy/status/1250881178091040774

Deeper Blue · 17-04-2020 12:02AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Spare a thought for Africa as this effing virus takes hold there.

Just three ventilators are available in the Central African Republic, a country of almost five million people, says David Manan, Country Director for the Norwegian Refugee Council.

“When rich nations are in panic mode stating that thousands of ventilators will not be enough, it just brings to light how poorer nations like the Central African Republic don’t stand a chance in the fight against COVID-19.”

https://time.com/5816299/coronavirus-africa-ventilators-doctors/

According to Trocaire:

- Malawi has one ICU bed for every one million people
- Sierra Leone has no ICU beds (Population 7.6 million)
- South Sudan has two ventilators for 12 million people

Shocking numbers, let's hope their warm climates slow the spread as much as possible

Danzy · 17-04-2020 12:02AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Degenerates alert

https://twitter.com/SirStevoTimothy/status/1250881178091040774

That Chinese Restaurant never had someone who worked in a bar.

Never let a sober traveller in and never refuse to serve demented drunk travellers.

The fact the place is closed is neither here nor there.

17-04-2020 12:02AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Degenerates alert

https://twitter.com/SirStevoTimothy/status/1250881178091040774

Could see a few of the "i'm never having a Chinese again" posters on here defending them except for who they are. Got to be tough for them as to who they dislike more at the moment Chinese restaurants or travelers.

RobertKK · 17-04-2020 12:12AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

None, for now.

They are also not equal to countries in Europe. They operate under the national federal government of the US. While they have limited autonomy the federal government can take action against them, particularly fiscal.

Countries in Europe are by definition sovereign.

and in the US it is the governors who have the powers over the restrictions.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-04-2020 12:15AM

RobertKK wrote: »

and in the US it is the governors who have the powers over the restrictions.

Yes, but they can also be punished if they go against what the federal government wants.

Ultimately it is up to the governors whether to open up their states though.

Strumms · 17-04-2020 12:15AM

polesheep wrote: »

This is beaten, bar in the nursing homes. We need to start moving on and throw huge resources at the nursing homes - something we should have done at the start.

I wouldn’t say beaten, it’s on the way to a win though and that’s great. If we start declaring it beaten you are only sending the anti thinking overly social fûckwits into overdrive, that will want a mass and a u2 concert in Croker as well as a hugathon tomorrow in the local park all the same day to celebrate... we are on the way to beating this, I don’t want the covid epitaph to read ‘we almost beat it’ I want it to say we kicked it out, we did better than a lot of countries, we stuck together (metaphorically and socially distancing) to KCO... KICK COVID OUT...

Rob A. Bank · 17-04-2020 12:17AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SirStevoTimothy/status/1250881178091040774

https://twitter.com/i/status/1250857575433801731

wakka12 · 17-04-2020 12:22AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SirStevoTimothy/status/1250881178091040774

'dey brought de virus'

I dont think youll meet a group of people who could give less of a **** about the virus

Widdensushi · 17-04-2020 12:23AM

they probably have natural antibodies to it as well

ShineOn7 · 17-04-2020 12:24AM

NDWC wrote: »

According to Trocaire:

- Malawi has one ICU bed for every one million people
- Sierra Leone has no ICU beds (Population 7.6 million)
- South Sudan has two ventilators for 12 million people

Shocking numbers, let's hope their warm climates slow the spread as much as possible

Sobering numbers for sure, but there's absolutely no evidence I've seen that this thing doesn't like heat

Strumms · 17-04-2020 12:25AM

Jesus, you must have an IQ of about -189 to be carrying on like that, seriously. Cûnts like that should be fûcked headfirst into Lough Corrib. Of no value to anyone. Beyond stupid.

RicketyCricket · 17-04-2020 12:26AM

wakka12 wrote: »

'dey brought de virus'

I dont think youll meet a group of people who could give less of a **** about the virus

I can't imagine they've been washing their hands the last few weeks. I mean, if you're not gonna wash the rest of you........

Widdensushi · 17-04-2020 12:26AM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Roi have 7 times the number of cases than NI, how is that now ? The deaths are proportional to the population anyway

northern Ireland only counting hospital deaths 158 .

Minnie Snuggles · 17-04-2020 12:28AM

RobertKK wrote: »

US states are like countries in Europe, what the US is doing is no different to what is happening in Europe, where some are easing restrictions and others aren't.

Thing is we don't have an ignoramus pressuring our government to re-opening.

wakka12 · 17-04-2020 12:30AM

NDWC wrote: »

According to Trocaire:

- Malawi has one ICU bed for every one million people
- Sierra Leone has no ICU beds (Population 7.6 million)
- South Sudan has two ventilators for 12 million people

Shocking numbers, let's hope their warm climates slow the spread as much as possible

Low population density in many African countries will help too.

Some of the largest countries in Africa -Tanzania 53 mil
South Africa 54 mil
DRC -77m
Sudan 45m
Mozambique - 27ml

All have population density considerably lower than Ireland

Chad, Mali, Somalia , Niger and Algeria are all 4x less densely populated than Ireland

In fact the only major African countries of comaparable density to dense European countries such as Belgium, Netherlands, UK are Rwanda and Burundi

Kermit.de.frog · 17-04-2020 12:31AM

New York has extended it's lock down to May 15th.

New York state will extend its stay-at-home restrictions at least through 15 May, amid signs the initial wave of the coronavirus outbreak has stopped getting worse.

Governor Andrew Cuomo said Thursday that virus transmission rates still need to be tamed as he prolonged rules that have left many New Yorkers working from home, or out of a job entirely, and unable to gather in public since 22 March. The governor said the extension was made in consultation with other Northeast states and will be re-evaluated next month.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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