Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Redo91 · 16-04-2020 02:49PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

A friend who is listed as vulnerable got the call this morning.

The community spread is huge and restrictions aren't working.

Fair enough calling your friend to advise them to cocoon but why would they then tell them that the community spread is out of control if that’s information from an internal HSE memo? Also if your friend heard it you can be sure the media would be reporting it.

timsey tiger · 16-04-2020 02:50PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

In my unprofessional opinion,
1. Viruses don't survive well in hot sunny weather
2. Other countries with hotter climates seem to prove my point
3. immune systems is stronger in summer

I could be open to correction on any of above points.

Ebola, seemed to do fine in Africa, MERS in the middle east. Known for being cold spots yes.

16-04-2020 02:50PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

In my unprofessional opinion,
1. Viruses don't survive well in hot sunny weather
2. Other countries with hotter climates seem to prove my point
3. immune systems is stronger in summer

I could be open to correction on any of above points.

Ironically one of the postulated reasons for the seasonality of flu is that we get out and about more in summer

16-04-2020 02:51PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I think everyone should remember that every new case you hear from now is because two people did not observe the rules of lockdown, social distancing, hand hygiene and cough etiquette.

Unless your rules include complete sterilisation of everything we touch, including post and shopping, your assertion is incorrect.
Also the 2 metre distance rule is almost certainly not enough to prevent infection in some circumstances.

MrMusician18 · 16-04-2020 02:51PM

:rolleyes:

Deleted User wrote: »

You do not know that. Prolonged exposure in anything less than full respirator PPE can result in infection. The expectation of asking people to remain at home was not to stop spread, but restrict it, primarily to the home. It is nearly impossible to prevent spread within a home.

How is it still getting into homes?
Oh yeah, people agree bringing it. We've been weeks in lockdown, all those home cases should have worked themselves out by now.

timsey tiger · 16-04-2020 02:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe the warm middle east contributed to the reason it never went out of control?

I think it might have something to do with the lack of camels in other parts.

Iamabeliever · 16-04-2020 02:52PM

Amirani wrote: »

1. This is the case for some/most viruses, but not all. MERS for example existing only in the warm Middle East.
2. Spain has had weather consistently of 20 degrees plus during their outbreaks. Spain is too general.
3. May be correct, yeah.

1. I would look at how it survives when it doesn't have a host. Certainly MERS occured in the middle East but how much of a limiting factor did a warm sunny day have on its infections rates?
2. Look up Spanish weather in the Basque/madrid region for the previous months?
3. Good

is_that_so · 16-04-2020 02:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ironically one of the postulated reasons for the seasonality of flu is that we get out and about more in summer

Flu is all year round in tropical countries but yeah this and the likely overall influence of Vitamin D on our immune system.

expectationlost · 16-04-2020 02:52PM

do we have a nursing home thread, how about nursing home ama

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 02:53PM

Lidl was crammed today, families and couples shopping together, lads queuing for a few cans, social distance of about 2 feet. People aren't taking the restrictions seriously in this country

BanditLuke · 16-04-2020 02:54PM

I see there is now some traction behind the bio lab in Wuhan explanation. Interesting times.

frillyleaf · 16-04-2020 02:54PM

Amirani wrote: »

This has been the advice for at risk groups all along: https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/cocooning.html

Cocooning is for people who:
are over 70 years of age - even if you're fit and well

are solid organ transplant recipients

have cancer and are undergoing active chemotherapy or radical radiotherapy for lung cancer

have cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma who are at any stage of treatment

are having immunotherapy or other continuing antibody treatments for cancer

are having other targeted cancer treatments which can affect the immune system, such as protein kinase inhibitors or PARP inhibitors

have had bone marrow or stem cell transplants in the last 6 months, or who are still taking immunosuppression drugs

have severe respiratory conditions including cystic fibrosis, severe asthma and severe COPD

have rare diseases and inborn errors of metabolism that significantly increase the risk of infections (such as SCID, homozygous sickle cell)

are on immunosuppression therapies sufficient to significantly increase risk of infection

are pregnant and have significant heart disease, congenital or acquired

If you are unsure whether or not you need to cocoon or not, talk to your doctor.

Are there any rough numbers of how many people in Ireland have these conditions? I’ve heard some people are saying that we should lift restrictions and anyone vulnerable should cocoon.

Would that be even possible to do with the amount of people that fall into the vulnerable category? Also how can I people cocoon safely if living with other people ?

I’m not suggesting we lift restrictions. I’m just trying to understand why this wouldn’t work at the moment

Mic 1972 · 16-04-2020 02:55PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Ebola, seemed to do fine in Africa, MERS in the middle east. Known for being cold spots yes.

The weather has no impact on the virus. SARS and MERS were stopped thanks to effective containment only. Ebola would have done just fine in Europe had it spread here, thank god it was contained in Africa

ArchXStanton · 16-04-2020 02:56PM

Just talking to a friend of the family there who got out of hospital last week after getting the virus, said he felt like he was drowning very hard to catch his breath, was touch n go for a while, he's still feeling very weak from it, reckons he picked it up in Italy were he was driving trucks or on the ferry back.

Higgins5473 · 16-04-2020 02:57PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Lidl was crammed today

Crammed, but not by you, you weren't cramming the place at all, just everyone else you saw.

cameramonkey · 16-04-2020 02:58PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I see there is now some traction behind the bio lab in Wuhan explanation. Interesting times.

You mean Trump trying to direct attention away from his disastrous reaction to the outbreak.

Christy42 · 16-04-2020 02:58PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I see there is now some traction behind the bio lab in Wuhan explanation. Interesting times.

And will any of the people apologise to the poor bat for all the slander if it is true? I mean we had everything on the horrors of a wet market and now they may be innocent?

Seriously though. This is pure rumour right now blaming China for not doing enough to stop the virus isn't enough. So it has to be deliberate evilness from China that has to be blamed. Deliberate.

is_that_so · 16-04-2020 02:59PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The weather has no impact on the virus. SARS and MERS were stopped thanks to effective containment only. Ebola would have done just fine in Europe had it spread here, thank god it was contained in Africa

Look forward to your research paper on this. General thinking on SARS is that it burnt itself out, far too virulent and killed 1 in 10.

16-04-2020 03:00PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

How is it still getting into homes?
Oh yeah, people agree bringing it. We've been weeks in lockdown, all those home cases should have worked themselves out by now.

what people need to understand is that the measures put in place were never expected to stop all transmission, but to reduce the opportunities for infection by >90%. If we do that R0 will drop below 1, cases will decline, and restrictions can be eased in a controlled manner.

100% prevention of transmission of a virus like SARS COV-2 is not possible as some people need to still get to work to keep the lights on, keep food in the supermarkets, collect the rubbish, among many other essential services, not least the huge amount of people in healthcare. This is where cases are coming from

Iamabeliever · 16-04-2020 03:00PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Ebola, seemed to do fine in Africa, MERS in the middle east. Known for being cold spots yes.

How is ebola spread?

is_that_so · 16-04-2020 03:01PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Crammed, but not by you, you weren't cramming the place at all, just everyone else you saw.

Look just accept it's never the poster at fault in these situations.

growleaves · 16-04-2020 03:02PM

And will any of the people apologise to the poor bat for all the slander if it is true? I mean we had everything on the horrors of a wet market and now they may be innocent?

You should able to order bat soup in chic diners in Ranelagh. True multiculturalism.

is_that_so · 16-04-2020 03:02PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

How is ebola spread?

Direct contact.

Iamabeliever · 16-04-2020 03:04PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Direct contact.

Oh So weather has actually very little impact on transmission?

Deeper Blue · 16-04-2020 03:05PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Just heard there is new memos going around in the HSE today the community spread is huge and the restrictions aren't working.

They are calling vulnerable people who aren't over 70 encouraging them to cocoon.

People should be banned for posting rubbish like this

Pure scaremongering bollocks

Cop on

caveat emptor · 16-04-2020 03:05PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

How is ebola spread?

You don't want to know :eek:

is_that_so · 16-04-2020 03:05PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Oh So weather has actually very little impact on transmission?

Don't believe so.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ebola-virus/expert-answers/can-ebola-spread-through-air/faq-20115575

retro:electro · 16-04-2020 03:07PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Lidl was crammed today, families and couples shopping together, lads queuing for a few cans, social distance of about 2 feet. People aren't taking the restrictions seriously in this country

No, the people you saw aren’t taking it seriously. You shouldn’t tar everyone in the country with the one brush based on a brief observation of a handful of people in Lidl

Curious_Case · 16-04-2020 03:09PM

NDWC wrote: »

People should be banned for posting rubbish like this

Pure scaremongering bollocks

Cop on

You'd have to wonder how this highly confidential, highly alarming "memo" was worded . . .

. . . Did it say "run to the hills with your hands in the air, we're all doomed I tell you, doomed"

For clarity, I should point out that I don't believe any of it.

ACitizenErased · 16-04-2020 03:11PM

There's a letter circulating about pubs being closed until September 1st. I'm guessing it's fake, but looks pretty convincing for those who wouldn't be aware.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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