Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

growleaves · 16-04-2020 01:50PM

Las Vegas mayor demands end to Nevada coronavirus lockdown

"This shutdown has become one of total insanity."

16-04-2020 01:51PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You missed Marys entire point.

Why am I not surprised?

Her point was the daily cases are a shambles - they are a fraction of the real number of cases.

You get it now?

If it makes you feel better and helps you sleep well tonight, pretend we have this under control. Good Lad.

Nowhere has an accurate measure of daily cases, just those tested. We can only report facts - confirmed cases, hospitalisations, ICU admissions, deaths...All of these give us a detailed picture and ICU admissions and deaths are only true objective measures. Cases is dependent on testing, prioritisation and people presenting for test. Hospitalisation was high in early stage as even those with minor symptoms were being isolated. And ICU admissions are telling us things are beginning to come under control. But if you want to tell yourself a backlog from 3 weeks ago tells us things are spinning wildly out of control, off you go

Rvsmmnps · 16-04-2020 01:55PM

Curious_Case wrote: »

Why become barbaric?

We're being paid money to get a really good range of food in the shops

We've got electricity & water

We're actually beginning to realise that our lives, at worst, are much better than the lives of many impoverished groups, refugees, etc.

Where does the money come from?

KiKi III · 16-04-2020 01:59PM

growleaves wrote: »

Las Vegas mayor demands end to Nevada coronavirus lockdown

"This shutdown has become one of total insanity."

Meanwhile, the governor who has the actual power says... https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/nevada-nowhere-close-to-easing-virus-restrictions-governor-says/

blade1 · 16-04-2020 02:00PM

Any chance they cancel the upcoming bank holidays and give them to us down the line.
What's the point having them in a lockdown.
One just gone all I did was sit on the couch eating rubbish.

cloudatlas · 16-04-2020 02:02PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

Not hard to have some basic respect for the deceased

And it would have been disrespectful if I had named the people and linked to the articles. The media is not telling the truth and the truth is that obesity makes it harder for people to fight this. They should tell the truth so people can change, not print 'a fit person' has just died, which isn't true.

The message should get out there that people should quit smoking and lose weight in order to improve their health and chances of survival if they catch the virus.

Edit: it's likely that two of my friends who live together had it. They said they had chest tightness, chest pain, felt generally ill etc., One was overweight and smoked the other wasn't. Can you guess which one took longer to get better?

fritzelly · 16-04-2020 02:03PM

See the lab conspiracy theorists are still alive and well

Spencer Brown · 16-04-2020 02:03PM

blade1 wrote: »

Any chance they cancel the upcoming bank holidays and give them to us down the line.
What's the point having them in a lockdown.
One just gone all I did was sit on the couch eating rubbish.

Why would they? They're trying to help businesses, giving all their staff a free day off / entitlement to extra pay in a few months time isn't going to help businesses.

blade1 · 16-04-2020 02:04PM

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Why would they? They're trying to help businesses, giving all their staff a free day off / entitlement to extra pay in a few months time isn't going to help businesses.

It's not a free day.
It's just moving them

eagle eye · 16-04-2020 02:07PM

Hrududu wrote:

Everyone I know is fine. This means everyone is fine. Anybody saying otherwise is lying.

Well if you read my whole post you'd see I was talking about the high numbers he claims.

tobefrank321 · 16-04-2020 02:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nowhere has an accurate measure of daily cases, just those tested. We can only report facts - confirmed cases, hospitalisations, ICU admissions, deaths...All of these give us a detailed picture and ICU admissions and deaths are only true objective measures. Cases is dependent on testing, prioritisation and people presenting for test. Hospitalisation was high in early stage as even those with minor symptoms were being isolated. And ICU admissions are telling us things are beginning to come under control. But if you want to tell yourself a backlog from 3 weeks ago tells us things are spinning wildly out of control, off you go

The non backlog numbers are slowly beginning to reflect reality. We all accept real time (<48 hour turnaround) is a more accurate reflection of where we are currently. But the non backlog numbers are still high.

The government cannot use the backlog as an excuse from next Monday onwards. And the labs have said they now have spare capacity.

They need to put in place a proper testing regime, all cases turned around in less than 48 hours, and aim for a constant baseline of tests - eg 1500 tests a day. We won't catch every case, but at least we will know a rough trend.

And no more clowns saying we can now do 5000, 10000 or 15000 tests a day, only to discover there isn't enough reagent long term to sustain this. We will be testing for covid 19 daily for at least a year or until a vaccine becomes available.

DevilsHaircut · 16-04-2020 02:10PM

Paul Cullen also erroneously says: 'Many older people dying with Covid-19 also have underlying conditions and it is no easy task to determine what they died of, as opposed to what they died with.'

Our reporting of confirmed cases is of those who 'died with' not 'died of' Covid-19.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nursing-homes-and-coronavirus-why-the-numbers-don-t-add-up-1.4229722

16-04-2020 02:11PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Meanwhile, the governor who has the actual power says... https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/nevada-nowhere-close-to-easing-virus-restrictions-governor-says/

I take it the mayor and governer are different parties, or the mayor is running for senate or wishes to primary the governer

eagle eye · 16-04-2020 02:12PM

Deleted User wrote:

I take it the mayor and governer are different parties, or the mayor is running for senate or wishes to primary the governer

Or is in the pocket of the casino owners.

BattleCorp · 16-04-2020 02:15PM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

I'm more worried about how civil governments are going to control barbaric behavior.How naive and distracted many people are

I personally like the AR15 technique for controlling barbaric behaviour.

Jinglejangle69 · 16-04-2020 02:17PM

Just heard there is new memos going around in the HSE today the community spread is huge and the restrictions aren't working.

They are calling vulnerable people who aren't over 70 encouraging them to cocoon.

eagle eye · 16-04-2020 02:17PM

BattleCorp wrote:

I personally like the AR15 technique for controlling barbaric behaviour.

I think the hurley should come before that.

growleaves · 16-04-2020 02:17PM

I take it the mayor and governer are different parties, or the mayor is running for senate or wishes to primary the governer

I recall reading that the Mayor asked the Governor for a shutdown four weeks ago.

Now that there isn't a huge amount of confirmed cases and online casino gaming platforms are eating them alive she obviously doesn't think its worth it. But then millions of deaths were predicted in Fauci's original model before the numbers were revised downwards.

Atlantic City is also shut down.

MrMusician18 · 16-04-2020 02:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No its not. Hospitals, care homes and peoples own homes probably account for the vast majority of new cases

And in each and every one of those cases a sick person brought it into that setting and the recipient didn't wash their hands before touching their face.

Poorside · 16-04-2020 02:19PM

blade1 wrote: »

Any chance they cancel the upcoming bank holidays and give them to us down the line.
What's the point having them in a lockdown.
One just gone all I did was sit on the couch eating rubbish.

Some people are still in work and very glad of the extra day this week.

16-04-2020 02:19PM

Will we expect to see a lower rate of disease and old age related deaths in the next few years? No doubt a large proportion of those dying would have had a limited life expectancy

RobertKK · 16-04-2020 02:20PM

fritzelly wrote: »

See the lab conspiracy theorists are still alive and well

Accidents can and do happen, and even the Washington Post has written about US cables that stated their concerns over the lab in Wuhan back in 2018 and the lack of qualified technicians and the risks it posed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/editorial/opinion--us-diplomatic-cables-warned-of-wuhan-lab-safety-issues-the-world-needs-answers/2020/04/16/936e1ece-b717-4b4d-afe9-11e2f1590781_video.html

16-04-2020 02:20PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Just heard there is new memos going around in the HSE today the community spread is huge and the restrictions aren't working.

They are calling vulnerable people who aren't over 70 encouraging them to cocoon.

source

Higgins5473 · 16-04-2020 02:21PM

Was it disclosed that the 23 year old that died had any kind of underlying health problems? Very young, awful.

Jinglejangle69 · 16-04-2020 02:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

source

A friend who is listed as vulnerable got the call this morning.

The community spread is huge and restrictions aren't working.

Amirani · 16-04-2020 02:23PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Just heard there is new memos going around in the HSE today the community spread is huge and the restrictions aren't working.

This isn't true.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

They are calling vulnerable people who aren't over 70 encouraging them to cocoon.

This has always been the case, it wasn't limited to over 70s.

16-04-2020 02:24PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

And in each and every one of those cases a sick person brought it into that setting and the recipient didn't wash their hands before touching their face.

You do not know that. Prolonged exposure in anything less than full respirator PPE can result in infection. The expectation of asking people to remain at home was not to stop spread, but restrict it, primarily to the home. It is nearly impossible to prevent spread within a home.

Iamabeliever · 16-04-2020 02:25PM

Don't want to jump the gun but it's quite clear good weather is having a huge impact on this virus.

Jinglejangle69 · 16-04-2020 02:25PM

Amirani wrote: »

This isn't true.

This has always been the case, it wasn't limited to over 70s.

OK fine don't believe me.

I'm just saying what my friend who wouldn't lie was told over the phone.

I don't care whether you believe it or not.

ArchXStanton · 16-04-2020 02:25PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Don't want to jump the gun but it's quite clear good weather is having a huge impact on this virus.

In what way?

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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