Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Rob A. Bank · 15-04-2020 11:26AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Agreed. There is a movement as to somehow shift blame away from China and focus on Trump that a lot of people with sub standard intelligence for falling for and a narrative pushed by the likes of CNN.

Trump is what he is, an absolute fool of the worst type but yet we see and hear constant focus by the media on him and hardly any on Xi Jinping.

Xi Jinping and the corrupt criminal organisation that is the CCP are responsible for this mess, that's the bottom line.

Aww now come on Luke... the is a 'smart guy' with a big brain (at least he thinks so) :rolleyes:

Kermit.de.frog · 15-04-2020 11:26AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

China has no moral ground, in anything. They are directly and indirectly responsible for this mess.

Every other country including the US is dealing with the fallout from the Chinese created mess.

Other countries have a choice between wrecking their economies or allowing large numbers of people to die. A choice handed to them by Chinese and WHO mistakes.

China are now implementing the same policies they called racist back in January - restricting foreigners coming in and forcefully quarantining all arrivals. When China does it, its ok. If anyone else tries it, they are called racist, xenophobic, fascist and so on.

You say WHO mistakes however, there is an important point people seem to overlook.

The reality is, in terms of pathogens, China is the most dangerous country in the world when you think about SARS and Bird Flu for example.

And unfortunately, like it or not, the WHO needs for all of our sakes the co operation of China.

So it's a rock and a hard place. They need the co operation but would end up probably banned from the country if they direct criticism.

It's more complicated an issue then it may initially look. But Trump is a dummy and doesn't do such nuance.

eagle eye · 15-04-2020 11:28AM

quokula wrote:

Very few right thinking people could say our government has done much wrong in this crisis, obviously in an unprecedented situation some mistakes will get made but we've fortunately been exemplary in our handling of it.

Our government did lots of wrong from the outset. It was clear how serious this was long before they decided to go into lockdown. They are responsible for hundreds of deaths by being so slow to react.
I locked down three weeks before the government did because it was obvious how serious this would become.

Xertz · 15-04-2020 11:31AM

This is probably the most rapid rollout and up scaling of this kind of testing that has ever been done in any country ever in history. Doctors, scientists, technicians and engineers across most countries are pulling out all the stops and have achieved a hell of a lot in a very short time.

I think we need to get our heads around why there are capacity issues and how overcoming them by snapping fingers isn’t really possible. There are serious technical limits in terms of access to capacity - equipment (lead time in deliveries, lack of availability globally), pressure on getting access to chemicals and other items due to unprecedented global demand.

Also no country has vast amounts of this kind of stuff sitting around doing nothing for years.

There are going to be delays and rolling out population wide testing is taking time and also needing development of rapid test kits. What’s been produced to date has not proven to be very reliable - see what happened in Spain with the volume of Chinese made test kits that were purchased and turned out to be very inaccurate and that’s happened elsewhere too.

All any of us can be is realistic about what’s possible.

owlbethere · 15-04-2020 11:31AM

Regarding schools, I think maybe we would be better of they were to remain closed until September. It will be a raw deal for the 6th class pupils transitioning to secondary school without finishing primary school though.

Xertz · 15-04-2020 11:34AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Regarding schools, I think maybe we would be better of they were to remain closed until September. It will be a raw deal for the 6th class pupils transitioning to secondary school without finishing primary school though.

I don’t know. Thinking back to my start of secondary school, I don’t really think it would have made much difference. The primary school system is not all that regimented and many of the subjects you take in secondary school are entirely new or take totally different approaches.

Most people will just get over the bump and carry on in September, October or whenever we start up again and accommodations and adaptions will be made where needed.

The only students I would be concerned about are senior cycle, close to leaving certificate as they’re under big pressure (too big in my opinion, but that’s another thread).

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 11:34AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Aww now come on Luke... the is a 'smart guy' with a big brain (at least he thinks so) :rolleyes:

Again Nowthis "articles"

A "news" organisation that is rated as "extreme left wing bias" by media fact and bias check organisations. The bias scale doesn't go any higher than extreme. They are rated extreme. Left wing version of breitbart

https://mediabiasfactcheck-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/nowthis-news/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15869067018476&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2Fnowthis-news%2F

wakka12 · 15-04-2020 11:36AM

Deaths in Scotland now at almost 1000 including nursing home deaths and deaths at home

The nursing homes account for 25% of deaths while 13% of the deaths in Scotland occurred at home

Rob A. Bank · 15-04-2020 11:36AM

A very detailed 'Timeline of the Coronavirus Pandemic and U.S. Response'.

Reading it you will find that there was very little delay in the response of the World Health Organization to the emerging pandemic, and criminally culpable delay by the Trump White House in it's response.

https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/

Rob A. Bank · 15-04-2020 11:39AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Again Nowthis "articles"

A "news" organisation that is rated as "extreme left wing bias" by media fact and bias check organisations. The bias scale doesn't go any higher than extreme. They are rated extreme. Left wing version of breitbart

Ignore the idiot's own words as he hangs himself and shoot the messenger... That is becoming quite a habit of yours Blue.

Tut Tut

Professor Moriarty · 15-04-2020 11:39AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Again Nowthis "articles"

A "news" organisation that is rated as "extreme left wing bias" by media fact and bias check organisations. The bias scale doesn't go any higher than extreme. They are rated extreme. Left wing version of breitbart

https://mediabiasfactcheck-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/nowthis-news/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15869067018476&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2Fnowthis-news%2F

That media rating organisation is not credible. Not to be taken seriously.

walshb · 15-04-2020 11:41AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's more complicated an issue then it may initially look. But Trump is a dummy and doesn't do such nuance.

In a nutshell...

A very dangerous dummy

In the middle of a global pandemic (when we all should be working to become friends and colleagues and together) and he comes out with more aggression and divisiveness and hostility....I can understand there will be disagreements, but he is intentionally trying to stir and divide.

I don't know how he is allowed get away with it.....well, I do, but.....

Only in America, I guess...

New Home · 15-04-2020 11:42AM

walshb wrote: »

In a nutshell...

A very dangerous dummy

In the middle of a global pandemic (when we all shoukld be working to become friends and colleaguesa and together) and he comes out with more aggression and divisiveness and hostility....I can understand there will be disagreements, but he is intentionally trying to stir and divide.

I don't know how he is allowed get away with it.....well, I do, but.....

Only in America, I guess...

"Divide and conquer"?

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 11:43AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Ignore the idiot's own words as he hangs himself and shoot the messenger... That is becoming quite a habit of yours Blue.

Tut Tut

https://newspunch.com/roger-stone-bill-gates-globalists-using-coronavirus-mandatory-vaccinations-microchipping-people/

I can post from garbage "news" sites too

eagle eye · 15-04-2020 11:43AM

Xertz wrote:

All any of us can be is realistic about whatâ€™s possible.

What we can do is look at how budgets were cut and moved around because of our attitude that we didn't need to be prepared for emergencies such as this.
We need to be prepared in future, we need to be capable of self-sufficiency as regards the production of PPE gear, ventilators, food etc.

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 11:43AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That media rating organisation is not credible. Not to be taken seriously.

Pick anyone you like. They all say the same

wakka12 · 15-04-2020 11:44AM

Germany has become the 8th country to report more deaths thanChina. Netherlands will also likely overtake china within the next day or two

davemckenna25 · 15-04-2020 11:45AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Regarding schools, I think maybe we would be better of they were to remain closed until September. It will be a raw deal for the 6th class pupils transitioning to secondary school without finishing primary school though.

Not a hope of schools opening before the next School year, bar for the leaving cert.

Rob A. Bank · 15-04-2020 11:46AM

INMO Trolley Watch figures for April 15th 2020

21 beds short today in Irish Hospitals.

https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

Professor Moriarty · 15-04-2020 11:46AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Pick anyone you like. They all say the same

Did you watch the video? If so, what's your problem with it?

walshb · 15-04-2020 11:47AM

Am I off to think that the LC just isn't a runner?

How can they in any real way safely run it? They are gathering 1000s of teens together across the country, and hoping for the best....even with measures in place, these teens cannot be all chaperoned from their homes to the test centers and back home...

eagle eye · 15-04-2020 11:47AM

I see some people saying that Trumps actions have let China off the hook.

That delusional thinking.

China are responsible and anybody with a modicum of intelligence has lost any trust they may have had in China.

Trump is an idiot but that won't change people's minds about China.

Professor Moriarty · 15-04-2020 11:48AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

INMO Trolley Watch figures for April 15th 2020

21 beds short today in Irish Hospitals.

https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

640 in February.

Mic 1972 · 15-04-2020 11:48AM

joe_99 wrote: »

They are not new cases. Plus we are testing more.

800 daily new cases is the official figure for Ireland, what do you mean they are not new cases?

Cody montana · 15-04-2020 11:49AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Did you watch the video? If so, what's your problem with it?

Media bias obvs.
Even though Trump said all that insane stuff, it’s the media that is the problem silly.

Professor Moriarty · 15-04-2020 11:51AM

Cody montana wrote: »

Media bias obvs.
Even though Trump said all that insane stuff, it’s the media that is the problem silly.

No it's the MSM.

smelly sock · 15-04-2020 11:52AM

walshb wrote: »

Am I off to think that the LC just isn't a runner?

How can they in any real way safely run it? They are gathering 1000s of teens together across the country, and hoping for the best....even with measures in place, these teens cannot be all chaperoned from their homes to the test centers and back home...

Unless the teens have pre existing medical conditions that make them vulnerable I can't see any issue with going ahead with it.

Blueshoe · 15-04-2020 11:53AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I see some people saying that Trumps actions have let China off the hook.

That delusional thinking.

China are responsible and anybody with a modicum of intelligence has lost any trust they may have had in China.

Trump is an idiot but that won't change people's minds about China.

This pandemic is 100% the fault of China. They repeatedly tried to cover it up. The virus spread here and around the world. It is responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of people and has completely disrupted everyone's lives.
Yet the articles and reporting is all on Trump. Where is the criticism of the CCP and it's president? China have been let completely off the hook. They are getting back to business and the world is buying billions worth of medical equipment from them !

People are so distracted and led by the media. It's unbelievable.

Hurrache · 15-04-2020 11:53AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Again Nowthis "articles"

A "news" organisation that is rated as "extreme left wing bias" by media fact and bias check organisations. The bias scale doesn't go any higher than extreme. They are rated extreme. Left wing version of breitbart

https://mediabiasfactcheck-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/nowthis-news/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15869067018476&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2Fnowthis-news%2F

Blueshoe wrote: »

https://newspunch.com/roger-stone-bill-gates-globalists-using-coronavirus-mandatory-vaccinations-microchipping-people/

I can post from garbage "news" sites too

You tried this last night, were given other sources, most notably Trumps very own words and tweets, and you still keep your head in the sand and blame a lefty conspiracy for making these things up.
Utterly deluded.

US2 · 15-04-2020 11:53AM

In the film Contagion released in 2011, the lead characters name is MEARS.

In 2012 the MERS virus appeared in China.

Creepy

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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