Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

cameramonkey · 15-04-2020 11:09AM

quokula wrote: »

There is a worldwide shortage of reagent and some delays are inevitable. The HSE have been open and transparent about the size of the backlog and the steps they're taking to reduce it and their aim to eliminate it soon with the help of the German testing.

Very few right thinking people could say our government has done much wrong in this crisis, obviously in an unprecedented situation some mistakes will get made but we've fortunately been exemplary in our handling of it.

Testing is not going according to plan here and the HSE's attitude has been anything but transparent and open. There are people waiting weeks for results. Hopefully the HSE will get their act together. The following does not inspire much confidence.

"The plan is to widen the net, and expand the criteria for testing outside the current priority groups, in order to capture more people who have the virus., Dr Holohan said yesterday that he has "no confidence" yet that the testing regime, as of now, would be able to cope with this expansion."

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/incorrect-results-are-blamed-on-it-fault-as-testing-set-to-ramp-up-39129047.html

hotmail.com · 15-04-2020 11:10AM

walshb wrote: »

Comparing anyone to that man is utterly ludicrous. He is completely off the scale in comparison.

He is so far off the line...

Nobody is saying any government is perfect, but by jaysus, ALL our politicians are so much more decent and human and dignified compared to this horror...

Why compare our politicians with Trump? Why not compare them with politicians with a similar system to us and a similar size?

quokula · 15-04-2020 11:10AM

joe_99 wrote: »

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/

USA is 23% of world economy so you could say they are underpaying.

3rd world countries rely on WHO. Western democracies will not be impacted by WHO funding decreases

Without the WHO who's to say that western democracies wouldn't have been impacted by MERS, Ebola or the first SARS for example?

They're dealing with new viruses all the time, this one slipped the net despite their best efforts. They did make mistakes but that can happen with completely unknown phenomenon. They didn't engage in intentional misdirection and complete negligence like Trump did.

The failure to contain this virus is a reason to invest more in future, not less.

hotmail.com · 15-04-2020 11:11AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I clicked on the journal app. Top story is two headlines in one. A recap. First sentence is about Trump cutting who funding. Second is deaths in Ireland now over 400.

Which headline should be first?

Ireland.

Journal churns out Trump articles for hits which have no relevance to us.

walshb · 15-04-2020 11:11AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Why compare our politicians with Trump? Why not compare them with politicians with a similar system to us and a similar size?

Agreed.....

Trump is off the table....he is so far off (what anyone with half a brain) normal and decent and becoming of a leader of respectable figure...

BanditLuke · 15-04-2020 11:12AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That distraction is handed to China by Trump. They have the moral high ground now and are entitled to use it.

They shouldn't have any plinth from which to preach moral values to the world after this but now they do.

It's sad to see the lack of tact, common sense, basic common decency and intelligence from a POTUS.

Hopefully not much longer.

I agree but it doesn't change the fact this falls squarely on China's shoulders.

joe_99 · 15-04-2020 11:12AM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Ireland has a population of roughly 5 million people. With 800 new cases per day we are the equivalent of a country like Spain if they had 8,000 cases per day
A lot of highly infected countries like italy or Spain managed to stay within the 6,000 new cases even during peak. We are not doing very well

They are not new cases. Plus we are testing more.

is_that_so · 15-04-2020 11:12AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The failure to prepare nursing homes for this crisis. The lack of testing and the disgracefully slow time to get your results.

Not their remit at all - HSE, HIQA - take your pick. Testing is NVRL/HSE and the well-publicised issues around supplies have scuppered most of their plans to date. You clearly haven't been listening to the CMO and Henry about the general purpose of testing but be outraged if you must.

khalessi · 15-04-2020 11:12AM

Gynoid wrote: »

I have a good friend who is a teacher in Sweden and I asked him how is it going, he said it is impossible to make the children follow the rules, that he is not scared for himself on a personal level, but that he does not want to leave his children fatherless. Sounds great.

I also think PPe should be issued to all staff and children should be wearing masks

tobefrank321 · 15-04-2020 11:13AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That distraction is handed to China by Trump. They have the moral high ground now and are entitled to use it.

They shouldn't have any plinth from which to preach moral values to the world after this but now they do.

It's sad to see the lack of tact, common sense, basic common decency and intelligence from a POTUS.

Hopefully not much longer.

China has no moral ground, in anything. They are directly and indirectly responsible for this mess.

Every other country including the US is dealing with the fallout from the Chinese created mess.

Other countries have a choice between wrecking their economies or allowing large numbers of people to die. A choice handed to them by Chinese and WHO mistakes.

China are now implementing the same policies they called racist back in January - restricting foreigners coming in and forcefully quarantining all arrivals. When China does it, its ok. If anyone else tries it, they are called racist, xenophobic, fascist and so on.

quokula · 15-04-2020 11:13AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Testing is not going according to plan here and the HSE's attitude has been anything but transparent and open. There are people waiting weeks for results. Hopefully the HSE will get their act together. The following does not inspire much confidence.

"The plan is to widen the net, and expand the criteria for testing outside the current priority groups, in order to capture more people who have the virus., Dr Holohan said yesterday that he has "no confidence" yet that the testing regime, as of now, would be able to cope with this expansion."

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/incorrect-results-are-blamed-on-it-fault-as-testing-set-to-ramp-up-39129047.html

So we've already got one of the highest testing rates in the world, we want to expand it even further, but the person in charge admits he's not confident that we can achieve this yet. Where's the lack of transparency there?

martingriff · 15-04-2020 11:13AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Wow, incoherent at best.

Any link to that?

On the phone so can't link it was live as I watched it. Anything I can try to explain. Sorry as said on the phone

Hector Savage · 15-04-2020 11:14AM

Look at Norway aswell the way they have turned it around, and then you have utter ****holes like Spain and Italy that have been in lockdown for longer and are only getting worse - it's a f*cking JOKE!

Hector Savage · 15-04-2020 11:15AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

China has no moral ground, in anything. They are directly and indirectly responsible for this mess.

Every other country including the US is dealing with the fallout from the Chinese created mess.

Other countries have a choice between wrecking their economies or allowing large numbers of people to die. A choice handed to them by Chinese and WHO mistakes.

But but but ORANGE MAN BAD!!!

lawred2 · 15-04-2020 11:16AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Because I don't agree with your opinion or the legitimacy of your sources it's trolling?

The go to word when someone refuses to agree with your narrative. You can have your opinion don't try deny me of mine.

That's not what I wrote. Not even close. But whatever.

youandme13 · 15-04-2020 11:16AM

khalessi wrote: »

I also think PPe should be issued to all staff and children should be wearing masks

And what about when creches and preschools open, how are you supposed to keep 12 two year olds keep masks on and 2m distance from each other?

walshb · 15-04-2020 11:17AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

But but but ORANGE MAN BAD!!!

He is

Separate to anything. He is plain mad. and bad......

But the problem is that people actually support him, encourage him and allow him to be what he is, and do what he does...

15-04-2020 11:17AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

From Simon Harris twitter

"A number to give us hope this morning -77. The number of people with #Covid19 who have now been discharged from ICU. 77 lives recovering thanks to the amazing dedication of our health professionals. 77 families relieved. 77 reasons to motivate us & encourage us to stay the course"

Some good news

yep..typical, the number given the very day after a huge back lash relating to care home deaths etc. Sure a few days ago it was ZEE Germans who botched 100 tests. Now it was a "Glitch" on our side. The other day big tony said it was due to very low viral rates misreading as negative only to come back as positive.
But woo hoo the Gov are telling us of 77 out of ICU....

Hrududu · 15-04-2020 11:18AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I clicked on the journal app. Top story is two headlines in one. A recap. First sentence is about Trump cutting who funding. Second is deaths in Ireland now over 400.

Which headline should be first?

Blueshoe and Trump sittin' in a tree K.I.S.S.I.....stop that. Stick to social distancing!

Drumpot · 15-04-2020 11:18AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm damn glad the US is the leader of the free world, whatever that means, rather than China.
I give the Chinese credit for getting on top of this in their own country, but not much more. They clearly pressurised the WHO to advise against a travel ban to and from China until it was completely contained there. That was a massive mistake by both China and the WHO.

Once covid 19 got to Europe and the US, it was going to be almost impossible to contain, as western governments don't have the same tyrannical powers used by China.

Or maybe it’s a virus that has no political ties to anybody and it was always going to spread around the world because natural disasters happen.

Perhaps the problem is that we have been programmed to think we are the centre of the universe and that humans are responsible for everything good or bad that happens. The people we think are good are always trying to do the right things and the people who are different or bad are always responsible. This also allows us to absolve ourselves or the goodies of blame so we can turn all our righteous anger on our foes...

As a species we do love a good yarn.

Rvsmmnps · 15-04-2020 11:19AM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

I think your stirring the pot?
I guess you never heard of FLATTENING THE CURVE!
Age of people who die is relative to ICU capacity.
ðŸ™Œ

Not a question answered, do you own a fishing rod?

khalessi · 15-04-2020 11:19AM

youandme13 wrote: »

And what about when creches and preschools open, how are you supposed to keep 12 two year olds keep masks on and 2m distance from each other?

Agreed so difficult to keep them separated and social distancing when we can't even get adults to do it correctly

But that will no doubt be left as a local issue as long as the optics look right for d media to pacify those saying schools should be reopened

Iamabeliever · 15-04-2020 11:20AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

Not a question answered, do you own a fishing rod?

Touche

BanditLuke · 15-04-2020 11:21AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

China has no moral ground, in anything. They are directly and indirectly responsible for this mess.

Every other country including the US is dealing with the fallout from the Chinese created mess.

Other countries have a choice between wrecking their economies or allowing large numbers of people to die. A choice handed to them by Chinese and WHO mistakes.

Agreed. There is a movement as to somehow shift blame away from China and focus on Trump that a lot of people with sub standard intelligence for falling for and a narrative pushed by the likes of CNN.

Trump is what he is, an absolute fool of the worst type but yet we see and hear constant focus by the media on him and hardly any on Xi Jinping.

Xi Jinping and the corrupt criminal organisation that is the CCP are responsible for this mess, that's the bottom line.

quokula · 15-04-2020 11:21AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I clicked on the journal app. Top story is two headlines in one. A recap. First sentence is about Trump cutting who funding. Second is deaths in Ireland now over 400.

Which headline should be first?

While the fact that we've kept deaths down to 400 is an important story it's not major breaking news because it's based on numbers from early yesterday and is in line with the trend for days.

The world's biggest economy unexpectedly announcing that they're actively setting out to undermine humanity's ability to fight pandemics like this is a bigger news story for the day.

martingriff · 15-04-2020 11:22AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Controlled easing of restrictions and the lockdown.

Varadkar shouldn't have extended it by 3.5 weeks. That was wrong.

Restrictions could not be eased. Testing time needs to be reduced and in the time until May this will happen. The Bank Holiday happening it was right to keep it to then and not just 2 weeks. By the time the next holiday happens we will know how cases are going

joe_99 · 15-04-2020 11:24AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Agreed. There is a movement as to somehow shift blame away from China and focus on Trump that a lot of people with sub standard intelligence for falling for and a narrative pushed by the likes of CNN.

Trump is what he is, an absolute fool of the worst type but yet we see and hear constant focus by the media on him and hardly any on Xi Jinping.

Xi Jinping and the corrupt criminal organisation that is the CCP are responsible for this mess, that's the bottom line.

Trump and Xi Jinping as possibly the two worst world leaders to have at this time. Shambolic from both. Depressing

Hector Savage · 15-04-2020 11:25AM

walshb wrote: »

He is

Separate to anything. He is plain mad. and bad......

But the problem is that people actually support him, encourage him and allow him to be what he is, and do what he does...

It's crazy the way people lose their head over Trump, but are just fine with the CCP and the WHO doing what they did ...

growleaves · 15-04-2020 11:25AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I get the impression that no matter how we'd gone about this you'd find fault with it.

Well then you've formed the wrong impression.

I've been consistent in my criticisms of the response - taking a very unpopular position on this crisis when everyone else wanted to go with the worst-case-scenario models, 'just to be safe'.

I could have been disastrously wrong (albeit under a pseudonym) and still could be.

Mostly I've been trying to warn against the over-interpretation of medical statistics based on stringing together multiple unproven and possibly faulty assumptions.

New Home · 15-04-2020 11:26AM

Isabel Tight Molecule wrote: »

I think we are about 6-8 weeks away from Trump telling us he has been approached by an Alien Race with a Bigly cure

Trump? Aliens? Not a chance! He'd probably want to build a wall all over the US to keep them out (like a biosphere, only not see-through). It'll be a Superior Race, maybe, but not as Terrifically Superior as he is.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Johnson and Johnson are receiving most funding

Boris is getting twice the funding?!? :pac:

smelly sock wrote: »

The Italians must be useless.

Can't do anything for themselves.

I think the expression you're looking for is "Good at delegating", Sockie. :cool:

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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