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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #4622
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    The POTUS who cut funding to the WHO during a worldwide Pandemic......

    Let

    That

    Sink

    In.......


  • #4623
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,897 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Akrasia wrote: »
    If there are democratic governors telling everyone in their state to remain in lockdown, and Trump telling his supporters that the Governor is wrong and destroying their economy, its a recipe for disaster given how partisan and divided the USA slready is


    Ffs, the vast vast majority of Americans are normal people and not rabid trump supporters just waiting for a chance to grab their guns and start an insurgence. I know people are chomping at the bit for the place to erupt into civil war or something but its not going to happen. At least I can't imagine that where I live (a democratic state but still gun and "freedom" loving anyway)

    Governors are in charge of their states, end of. Even Trump supporters accept this. He doesn't have the power to override them. Non essential businesses are literally shut down where I live, even if they decided to go back to work against orders, there's no where to go lol.

    The fact is, some states should be OK to gradually try to open up again, based on the figures. If it goes wrong you can sit and gloat don't worry. We can't stay in lockdown indefinitely. One in 10 are out of work in my state. How is that sustainable? Governors, from whatever side, know that this can't go on much longer.


  • #4624
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    I see the Danes starting to reopen schools and creches from today with the Italians also starting to lift the lockdown.

    I think they are facing the reality that we will have to learn to manage Covid 19 and live with it.

    We need to start planning for this asap. In no way should this be extended past the 5th of May. It should have even gone that far.


  • #4625
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    deisedevil wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the average weekly death figures for Ireland have been compared with this year's weekly death figures? Has anyone seen this put together anywhere. Would be interested to see what that looks like. Thanks.

    Edit: Or even monthly.

    Edit 2: Found something for anyone who is interested. This same trend has been seen in UK, France, Italy and Spain. Deaths have increased much more than what is just being attributed to Covid-19 in all these countries going by different studies I have seen. Surely this unexplained increase is down to the deaths due to Covid-19 and the those occuring as a result of the pandemic. Is this not therefore a better overall picture of the true effect of the virus.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/rise-in-number-of-death-notices-posted-online-greater-than-official-covid-19-figures-39118218.html


    We can absolutely get you those figures but first you need to understand there is no point doing that.

    We ran into capacity issues around deaths despite saying we could cope so we have export some of those deaths to Germany. They since come back but there is no point looking at them because they are in the total figures. Nobody knows what day they occurred on so we will just call them a separate number i.e German deaths.

    So we have two numbers. You need to understand the important number is the first number (not including the German deaths) because that number shows we are doing an amazing job and the CURVE that I have behind me is flattening.

    Hope that's clear.


  • #4626
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Boggles wrote: »
    Possibly.

    But now is not the time to cut it's funding.

    It's deflection of blame from the dotard again.

    I think Trump and the Sates will start to fund again and this is only a threat. Hopefully it focuses the WHO and where their priorities lie. It's not good enough for them to be in bed will big pharma and claim to be in existence for the good of people.


    I wouldn't be a huge fan of Trump but he is an elected leader of the free word and he has a certain way of getting what he wants. I have no doubt this will be no different.

    It's a huge chunk of cash for the WHO.


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  • #4627
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    fritzelly wrote: »
    https://news.sky.com/story/outrage-after-black-people-banned-from-mcdonalds-branch-in-china-11973200

    Don't be calling it Wuhan Flu tho as it's racist

    Mao Ze Lung disease.


  • #4628
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    https://www.thejournal.ie/how-long-will-covid-19-social-distancing-last-5074624-Apr2020/

    Looks like Harvard boffins are leaning towards periods of social distancing until 2022.


  • #4629
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I see the Danes starting to reopen schools and creches from today with the Italians also starting to lift the lockdown.

    I think they are facing the reality that we will have to learn to manage Covid 19 and live with it.

    We need to start planning for this asap. In no way should this be extended past the 5th of May. It should have even gone that far.

    If one reads into the finer detail of Denmark opening schools you'll see that they are required to have 2metres between desks! Some are having to have classes outside! And only a fraction are opening.(35%-50%) most will open by the 20th

    Imagine that in Ireland, you'd need an assembly hall for each class, classrooms in Ireland are cramped as it is.


  • #4630
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/imf-expects-worst-global-downturn-since-great-depression-1.4228968


    The IMF stating this will be worse than the great depression.

    And we leave he Economy practically shutdown? I mean WTF like.

    FFS.

    We need to look after our vulnerable. That's not in question here. But we can do so with the lockdown being lifted and people getting back to work.

    Have read through the history books if you want to see how bad the great depression was. Much worse than this virus anyway.


  • #4631
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52289056
    US President Donald Trump has said he is going to halt funding to the World Health Organization (WHO) because it has "failed in its basic duty" in its response to the coronavirus outbreak.

    Brilliant move by Trump


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  • #4632
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    He's focussing on two things - wall street and re-election.26,000 deaths is immaterial to him and the final death count will be spun.

    Out of a population of 350mn, 26k deaths are not significant. 260k aren't either.

    I'm not being flippant about life but if the lockdown goes on too long it will cause a global depression.

    It has already ensured a recession in Europe that will be brutal.

    The figures in America are 1/5th of cases per million and 1/5 th of deaths.

    Countries that do not have it as bad need to find a new normal.


  • #4633
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    smelly sock wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/imf-expects-worst-global-downturn-since-great-depression-1.4228968


    The IMF stating this will be worse than the great depression.

    And we leave he Economy practically shutdown? I mean WTF like.

    FFS.

    We need to look after our vulnerable. That's not in question here. But we can do so with the lockdown being lifted and people getting back to work.

    Have read through the history books if you want to see how bad the great depression was. Much worse than this virus anyway.

    but you can't compare the great depression to this event, its foolish of the IMF to compare both as it makes it seem like if we didn't do what was done then we should be fine! There is no playbook for this event

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #4634
    Iamabeliever
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    If one reads into the finer detail of Denmark opening schools you'll see that they are required to have 2metres between desks! Some are having to have classes outside! And only a fraction are opening.(35%-50%) most will open by the 20th

    Imagine that in Ireland, you'd need an assembly hall for each class, classrooms in Ireland are cramped as it is.

    What's the issue with schools going back. if anything, expose them to it


  • #4635
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Danzy wrote: »
    Out of a population of 350mn, 26k deaths are not significant. 260k aren't either.

    I'm not being flippant about life but if the lockdown goes on too long it will cause a global depression.

    It has already ensured a recession in Europe that will be brutal.

    The figures in America are 1/5th of cases per million and 1/5 th of deaths.

    Countries that do not have it as bad need to find a new normal.

    Some historical sources quote that as many as 7 million people died of hunger during the great depression. FFS


  • #4636
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,790 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52289056



    Brilliant move by Trump

    Is he going to sack himself because he has "failed in his basic duty" in the US response to the coronavirus outbreak?


  • #4637
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Hobgoblin11 wrote: »
    but you can't compare the great depression to this event, its foolish of the IMF to compare both as it makes it seem like if we didn't do what was done then we should be fine! There is no playbook for this event

    I agree to some extent. But it's one reason and a very good one as to why this lockdown needs to be eased asap and let people back out to work.


  • #4638
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Vicxas wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/how-long-will-covid-19-social-distancing-last-5074624-Apr2020/

    Looks like Harvard boffins are leaning towards periods of social distancing until 2022.

    Heres the study


  • #4639
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I see the Danes starting to reopen schools and creches from today with the Italians also starting to lift the lockdown.

    I think they are facing the reality that we will have to learn to manage Covid 19 and live with it.

    We need to start planning for this asap. In no way should this be extended past the 5th of May. It should have even gone that far.

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  • #4640
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    We can absolutely get you those figures but first you need to understand there is no point doing that.

    We ran into capacity issues around deaths despite saying we could cope so we have export some of those deaths to Germany. They since come back but there is no point looking at them because they are in the total figures. Nobody knows what day they occurred on so we will just call them a separate number i.e German deaths.

    So we have two numbers. You need to understand the important number is the first number (not including the German deaths) because that number shows we are doing an amazing job and the CURVE that I have behind me is flattening.

    Hope that's clear.

    Ah yes. All is well. :D


  • #4641
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    smelly sock wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/imf-expects-worst-global-downturn-since-great-depression-1.4228968


    The IMF stating this will be worse than the great depression.

    Headline
    IMF warns pandemic likely to result in worst global downturn since Great Depression

    :confused:


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  • #4642
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    smelly sock wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/imf-expects-worst-global-downturn-since-great-depression-1.4228968


    The IMF stating this will be worse than the great depression.

    And we leave he Economy practically shutdown? I mean WTF like.

    FFS.

    We need to look after our vulnerable. That's not in question here. But we can do so with the lockdown being lifted and people getting back to work.

    Have read through the history books if you want to see how bad the great depression was. Much worse than this virus anyway.


    And China have done this purposefully!! biological and economic warfare..

    And the c'unts don't want more research on the origin of the virus ... I wonder why .....


    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/china-coronavirus-research-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_content=2020-04-12T18%3A06%3A56&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2k-voJFm0y7G733GR5vdQ-nZO2mvmjqbtPoznvYRuC3hxXcwlxneTEHo8


  • #4643
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Iamabeliever wrote: »
    What's the issue with schools going back. if anything, expose them to it

    Kids are vectors.

    I only got the odd cold every year until my kids went to school, now its 2/3 different strains of viruses every year.


  • #4644
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Is he going to sack himself because he has "failed in his basic duty" in the US response to the coronavirus outbreak?

    The difference here is that he didn't sanction it's creation and release it on the world to destroy the rest of the global economy .... slight difference I know...


  • #4645
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Vicxas wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/how-long-will-covid-19-social-distancing-last-5074624-Apr2020/

    Looks like Harvard boffins are leaning towards periods of social distancing until 2022.

    This shouldn't be a suprise at this stage.

    The virus won't go away until everyone is immune or at least enough people are immune for it to burn away.

    We've two choices, you either let it burn through the population (killing up to 60,000 people on the island of Ireland) and get that immunity a bit quicker, or you keep social distancing in place to some extent until a vaccine is developed to scale tens of thousands of lives. A vaccine probably may not be mass produced until late next year or early 2022.

    The herd immunity theory (i.e. the former choice) may not work anyway as we don't know how long people will have immunity for. We don't know if immunity will last for more than 3 or 4 months because the virus is only 3 or 4 months old.

    Personally I think that provided the virus doesn't mutate into something worse, and from what I've read I think viruses that mutate usually become less virulent, (but it is still possible it could become more lethal) then as we are either at or very very close to the peak of this first wave then right now is probably the worst of this virus. We should be better prepared for a second, third and maybe even a fourth wave of the virus due to more hospital capacity and hopefully better treatments for the symptoms.

    But it seems likely that social distancing measures will have to be switched on and off for the next 12-24 months.


  • #4646
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    China is at an advanced stage developing a vaccine

    Well you know what you can do with it lads


  • #4647
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I agree to some extent. But it's one reason and a very good one as to why this lockdown needs to be eased asap and let people back out to work.

    I pray every day for an end to the lockdown

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #4648
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    The difference here is that he didn't sanction it's creation and release it on the world to destroy the rest of the global economy .... slight difference I know...

    While the virus started in China Trump has been highly complimentary of their handling of the crisis. I mean I wouldn't be but I disagree with the man on a lot of things.

    This is as recently as late March by the way. So it is obvious that the defunding has nothing to do with China.


    So he seems to have sanctioned the handling of it wt the point of initial outbreak.


  • #4649
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hobgoblin11 wrote: »
    I pray every day for an end to the lockdown
    Do an advent type calendar, just 20 days to go! :)


  • #4650
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Hobgoblin11 wrote: »
    but you can't compare the great depression to this event, its foolish of the IMF to compare both as it makes it seem like if we didn't do what was done then we should be fine! There is no playbook for this event

    The full IMF report does not compare our situation to the great depression.
    It only states that it's the greatest global economy retraction since the depression.
    The media are mincing there words to suit there headline story's


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  • #4651
    Hrududu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    The difference here is that he didn't sanction it's creation and release it on the world to destroy the rest of the global economy .... slight difference I know...
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058056380


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