Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

darjeeling · 15-04-2020 12:51AM

I can't see this has been mentioned here.

https://twitter.com/EEID_oxford/status/1248662224010391553

An antibody survey of blood donations from across Scotland from March 17-23 found 6/1,000 had antibodies.
This gives a rough figure of 0.6% infected in the first half of March (because antibodies take ~ 1 -2 weeks to develop).

Under 200 cases had been detected by mid-March, which is nowhere near the implied ~33K.
The official number of positive tests a whole month later is still just 6,358 (0.1% of the population).

This is another piece of evidence in support of the position that a large number of cases are going undetected in most countries.

A recent fairly basic calculation for Ireland from a group at Gottingen University reckoned the cumulative number of people infected here by the end of March at 122K.
Their methods assume we had the same detection rate throughout March, whereas we did increase testing somewhat, so they might have overestimated a bit.
Still, it looks to be in the right area, going by fatality rates and % of positive tests, and comparing these with other countries.

nocoverart · 15-04-2020 12:58AM

New Home wrote: »

Spanish flu and other, more recent flu epidemics like A(H1N1), as well as other viral infections are known to cause lots of life-long heart problems in many of those who survived them, myocarditis included.

2020 is the equivalent of having a noose around your neck, and we’re only 4 months in... if these were happier times I would suggest Popcorn, instead I suggest upholding Social Distancing and saving the Popcorn for Reeling in The Years in 10 years time.

Peanut Butter Jelly · 15-04-2020 01:01AM

darjeeling wrote: »

I can't see this has been mentioned here.

https://twitter.com/EEID_oxford/status/1248662224010391553

An antibody survey of blood donations from across Scotland from March 17-23 found 6/1,000 had antibodies.
This gives a rough figure of 0.6% infected in the first half of March (because antibodies take ~ 1 -2 weeks to develop).

Under 200 cases had been detected by mid-March, which is nowhere near the implied ~33K.
The official number of positive tests a whole month later is still just 6,358 (0.1% of the population).

This is another piece of evidence in support of the position that a large number of cases are going undetected in most countries.

A recent fairly basic calculation for Ireland from a group at Gottingen University reckoned the cumulative number of people infected here by the end of March at 122K.
Their methods assume we had the same detection rate throughout March, whereas we did increase testing somewhat, so they might have overestimated a bit.
Still, it looks to be in the right area, going by fatality rates and % of positive tests, and comparing these with other countries.

This can be a positive and a negative unfortunately. On the one hand, you have people out there who are getting the virus and aren't inhibited by it which means there is a decent percentage of people who, even if they do contract the virus, won't have to worry about too much or any ill health on their part.

But the negative is that you have superspreaders in a community who are most likely asymptomatic or very close to it, and passing this virus onto people who could be at risk, or living and working with vulnerable people who will unfortunately not recover from it which makes it all the more important we don't take any chances and follow the guidelines laid out for us

fritzelly · 15-04-2020 01:01AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Eye of newt, and toe of frog, wool of bat, and tongue of dog. Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting. Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing.

Can I just have chicken fried rice please?

fritzelly · 15-04-2020 01:03AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Sweden is looking like they made a big mistake.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden

Wish people would stop posting that site - total supposition not based on any real pandemic modelling

owlbethere · 15-04-2020 01:06AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Apparently there is a belief that if you torture the animal before boiling it alive the meat will be tastier.
Something to do with adrenaline

What's wrong with using spices and herbs or sauce to make meat tasty?

francie81 · 15-04-2020 01:14AM

nocoverart wrote: »

Crazy to think there’s Humans still trading in wet shops in China. I legit felt guilty having to go Chemist to get a cream for my Mother who I’m caring for, but there’s actual Humans still doing what they do in these hotbed type of environments where Viruses can thrive. Fooking unbelievable when you think about it!

Sorry if I’m coming across as Racist in PC Land.

Your dead right nothing wrong with saying it as it is even in the midst of it all.

jimmycrackcorm · 15-04-2020 01:56AM

Hego Damask wrote: »

If only the third world ****hole of Spain could learn from them.

Absolute carnage here, with cases rising and rising, no sign of it slowing at all here...

It's a lot easier to manage when you only have a population of 360k. I think you could find an area of Spain with the same numbers as Iceland.

Having been in the massive crowds in Sol in Madrid on a Saturday, I'm not surprised how many badly the city got hit.

fritzelly · 15-04-2020 02:08AM

https://news.sky.com/story/outrage-after-black-people-banned-from-mcdonalds-branch-in-china-11973200

Don't be calling it Wuhan Flu tho as it's racist

eagle eye · 15-04-2020 02:57AM

fritzelly wrote:

Don't be calling it Wuhan Flu tho as it's racist

Ok, well call it the China virus so.

OneEightSeven · 15-04-2020 03:26AM

Because we're right behind Sweden, some you guys mike like a link to compare us to them:

https://platz.se/coronavirus/

Apparently it's gotten into nursing homes over there as well.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0414/1130498-sweden-approach-coronavirus/

Just a word of warning, there's a video of that insufferable cúnt in the article.

MosherRock426 · 15-04-2020 04:21AM

I really wish things return to a state of semi normality come first week in may (may 5th according to Leo)
Things don't seem all that bad out there at the moment. There are still people outside day in day out going about their this and that. Cabin fever doesn't and shouldn't be the one true constant. I am self isolating at the moment as I am high risk for this virus but also content as I know that me choosing to stay at home is saving lives. Also refusing to keep up with the current body count and daily stats of this virus. Fearmongering doesn't do the mind any good

patnor1011 · 15-04-2020 04:46AM

The mortality rates from COVID-19 compared to the annual flu.
COVID-19 figures as reported 14th April 2020.

United States

COVID-19 morality 23,604 compared to annual flu mortality of 42,000, 56%

New Zealand

COVID-19 mortality 5 compared to annual flu mortality of 606, 0.8%

Australia

COVID-19 mortality 61 compared to annual flu mortality of 1,255, 4.9%

Sweden

COVID-19 mortality 919 compared to annual flu mortality of 504, 182%

Worldwide

COVID-19 mortality 119,666 compared to annual flu mortality of 389,000, 31%

Every human death is a personal tragedy. But people do, and continue to die. Since the first death from COVID-19 in late December worldwide deaths include:

Heart Attack, 4.4 million

Cancer, 2.4 million

Diabetes, 425,000

Suicide, 198,000

Quantum Erasure · 15-04-2020 05:14AM

confirmed cases worldwide now stand at 2,000,065

in the US, Covid-19 is now the leading cause of death, more than the average daily deaths from heart disease, or cancer,

Quantum Erasure · 15-04-2020 05:25AM

in England, Total mortality rate is up 60% for the week of April 3 compared to the last 5 years

copied from reddit

Or to put it more clearly, instead of the expected 10,000 people dying (5 year average), in the previous week 16,000 UK residents died.

For some mysterious reason.

The week before it was 1,000 extra unexpected deaths, and I guess next week it may be 10,000 additional deaths (total 20,000). For some mysterious reason.

deisedevil · 15-04-2020 06:04AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

in England, Total mortality rate is up 60% for the week of April 3 compared to the last 5 years

copied from reddit

I'd love to know what those figures are in this country.

EDit · 15-04-2020 06:06AM

Just reading about Denmark reopening primary schools and this quote from the article jumped out “New rules mean that children will be kept further apart than usual”

Eh? Do they understand they are talking about primary school kids. You can space out their desks all you want, but turn your back and they’ll be all over each other!

GM228 · 15-04-2020 06:12AM

EDit wrote: »

Just reading about Denmark reopening primary schools and this quote from the article jumped out “New rules mean that children will be kept further apart than usual”

Eh? Do they understand they are talking about primary school kids. You can space out their desks all you want, but turn your back and they’ll be all over each other!

You can say the same about some adults, 7 arrested at the weekend for breaking the restrictions, people turned away from beaches, beauty spots etc, some people young and old just don't get it, at least the young school kids have an excuse - their kids.

Iamabeliever · 15-04-2020 07:16AM

Does annual flu take account of nursing home deaths?

patnor1011 wrote: »

The mortality rates from COVID-19 compared to the annual flu.
COVID-19 figures as reported 14th April 2020.

United States

COVID-19 morality 23,604 compared to annual flu mortality of 42,000, 56%

New Zealand

COVID-19 mortality 5 compared to annual flu mortality of 606, 0.8%

Australia

COVID-19 mortality 61 compared to annual flu mortality of 1,255, 4.9%

Sweden

COVID-19 mortality 919 compared to annual flu mortality of 504, 182%

Worldwide

COVID-19 mortality 119,666 compared to annual flu mortality of 389,000, 31%

Every human death is a personal tragedy. But people do, and continue to die. Since the first death from COVID-19 in late December worldwide deaths include:

Heart Attack, 4.4 million

Cancer, 2.4 million

Diabetes, 425,000

Suicide, 198,000

silverharp · 15-04-2020 07:17AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

The mortality rates from COVID-19 compared to the annual flu.
COVID-19 figures as reported 14th April 2020.

United States

COVID-19 morality 23,604 compared to annual flu mortality of 42,000, 56%

New Zealand

COVID-19 mortality 5 compared to annual flu mortality of 606, 0.8%

Australia

COVID-19 mortality 61 compared to annual flu mortality of 1,255, 4.9%

Sweden

COVID-19 mortality 919 compared to annual flu mortality of 504, 182%

Worldwide

COVID-19 mortality 119,666 compared to annual flu mortality of 389,000, 31%

Every human death is a personal tragedy. But people do, and continue to die. Since the first death from COVID-19 in late December worldwide deaths include:

Heart Attack, 4.4 million

Cancer, 2.4 million

Diabetes, 425,000

Suicide, 198,000

you are comparing 2 months figures to a year? Take the US for instance, do nothing would have been at least 200K and thats a low figure

lawred2 · 15-04-2020 07:27AM

Does the Donald have a case with the WHO or is he simply engaging in blame deflection because of the US's own abysmal failings?

Akrasia · 15-04-2020 07:28AM

Lollipop95 wrote: »

Can the governors of the individual states refuse to comply with Trump or will they have no choice in opening up on the 1st of May?

If there are democratic governors telling everyone in their state to remain in lockdown, and Trump telling his supporters that the Governor is wrong and destroying their economy, its a recipe for disaster given how partisan and divided the USA slready is

silverharp · 15-04-2020 07:31AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Does the Donald have a case with the WHO or is he simply engaging in blame deflection because of the US's own abysmal failings?

Abysmal relative to what? The US at the moment has about a quarter the death rate of countries like France Italy or Spain. So whats your view of France or Belgium?

Pinch Flat · 15-04-2020 07:33AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Does the Donald have a case with the WHO or is he simply engaging in blame deflection because of the US's own abysmal failings?

He's focussing on two things - wall street and re-election.26,000 deaths is immaterial to him and the final death count will be spun.

PokeHerKing · 15-04-2020 07:39AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

The mortality rates from COVID-19 compared to the annual flu.
COVID-19 figures as reported 14th April 2020.

United States

COVID-19 morality 23,604 compared to annual flu mortality of 42,000, 56%

New Zealand

COVID-19 mortality 5 compared to annual flu mortality of 606, 0.8%

Australia

COVID-19 mortality 61 compared to annual flu mortality of 1,255, 4.9%

Sweden

COVID-19 mortality 919 compared to annual flu mortality of 504, 182%

Worldwide

COVID-19 mortality 119,666 compared to annual flu mortality of 389,000, 31%

Every human death is a personal tragedy. But people do, and continue to die. Since the first death from COVID-19 in late December worldwide deaths include:

Heart Attack, 4.4 million

Cancer, 2.4 million

Diabetes, 425,000

Suicide, 198,000

Flu season is 7 months long. We're 2 months into this pandemic. Oh and the entire world doesn't shut down for flu season. You twat.

Speakerboxx · 15-04-2020 07:46AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

C19 is becoming the big story of this whole year at this stage

You are joking right?

lawred2 · 15-04-2020 07:46AM

silverharp wrote: »

Abysmal relative to what? The US at the moment has about a quarter the death rate of countries like France Italy or Spain. So whats your view of France or Belgium?

Death rates are a moving feast I'm afraid. Only time will ultimately tell.

But the response of allowing every state do what it wants, define their own response, neighbouring states responding in completely different ways, setting the federal off against the individual states, setting the states off against each other in a marketplace for medical supplies and equipment... these are all exceptionally poor forms of leadership and coordinated problem solving...

Not sure why everything has to be an exercise in snapshot relativity.

Every country has its own unique characteristics and challenges - comparing the relative responses of Belgium and the US seems a bit pointless. In my eyes; the US response to this has been abysmal for the US.

Back to my original question - is there a case against the WHO?

laugh · 15-04-2020 07:47AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

The mortality rates from COVID-19 compared to the annual flu.
COVID-19 figures as reported 14th April 2020.

United States

COVID-19 morality 23,604 compared to annual flu mortality of 42,000, 56%

New Zealand

COVID-19 mortality 5 compared to annual flu mortality of 606, 0.8%

Australia

COVID-19 mortality 61 compared to annual flu mortality of 1,255, 4.9%

Sweden

COVID-19 mortality 919 compared to annual flu mortality of 504, 182%

Worldwide

COVID-19 mortality 119,666 compared to annual flu mortality of 389,000, 31%

Every human death is a personal tragedy. But people do, and continue to die. Since the first death from COVID-19 in late December worldwide deaths include:

Heart Attack, 4.4 million

Cancer, 2.4 million

Diabetes, 425,000

Suicide, 198,000

26,064 have died in the US, most of them in less than a month ....

Boggles · 15-04-2020 07:56AM

lawred2 wrote: »

is there a case against the WHO?

Possibly.

But now is not the time to cut it's funding.

It's deflection of blame from the dotard again.

deisedevil · 15-04-2020 08:00AM

Does anyone know if the average weekly death figures for Ireland have been compared with this year's weekly death figures? Has anyone seen this put together anywhere. Would be interested to see what that looks like. Thanks.

Edit: Or even monthly.

Edit 2: Found something for anyone who is interested. This same trend has been seen in UK, France, Italy and Spain. Deaths have increased much more than what is just being attributed to Covid-19 in all these countries going by different studies I have seen. Surely this unexplained increase is down to the deaths due to Covid-19 and the those occuring as a result of the pandemic. Is this not therefore a better overall picture of the true effect of the virus.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/rise-in-number-of-death-notices-posted-online-greater-than-official-covid-19-figures-39118218.html

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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