The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

Joe_ Public wrote: »

From yesterday Guardian.

2016 - Operation Cygnus pandemic drill showed critical shortage of care beds and vital equipment.

2016-2019 - value of governments stockpile of ppe falls by £200m.

Think of the money wasted on brexit

Including a few ferries that never even existed

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

The big stushie about PPE wholesalers refusing to sell to care homes in Wales and Scotland seems to stem from the following UK Government document which came out on Friday

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879221/Coronavirus__COVID-19__-_personal_protective_equipment__PPE__plan.pdf

specifically section 1.38 which states



The Care Quality Commission register care homes in England only - the UK Govt are a joke

The Gompels website shows the following

This should get awkward for Sunak and for the National Clinical Director for Scotland. Here are their denials of the story, emphatically stating that no sich thing is happening.



Number 10 shoots down claim coronavirus PPE is being diverted from Scotland as Nicola Sturgeon demands investigation

Downing Street has rejected claims that the Government is telling manufacturers of personal protective equipment to prioritise England over Scotland as the UK fights the coronavirus.

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon on Tuesday ordered an investigation into reports that PPE was being diverted to England - just hours after Scotland’s national clinical director branded the reports “rubbish”.

The claims come after one manufacturer of protective equipment, based in Wiltshire, said it would not supply Scotland or Wales under a contract it holds with Public Health England.

I don't know how they think they are going to imagine this one away. How can they spin this to look like it isn't what it says on the tin, Scotland and Wales are being neglected in favour of England under the contract the firms have with Public Health England.

My guess is they will try to claim that this is a devolved matter and it is up to Scotland to have organized the contracts like PHE did, or something like that.

Enzokk wrote: »

I know its not fashionable to ask these questions on here, but if the Nightingale Hospital only has 19 patients and ICU beds aren't filled to capacity in the UK, why are so many people still left in the care homes to die?

Have they been left there to keep the numbers low and not being reported?

The hospitals would probably not take them as they have essentially triaged in the NHS

Water John wrote: »

In nursing home care, the patient, staff and relatives may conclude that the, best care of the patient, is for them to remain in the care home. Medical intervention, like ICU, may not be optimum for the patient.

But we have stories of shortages of PPE in care homes and the staff looking after those that are ill will also be looking after other residents. It doesn't take a university degree to see that keeping ill people in homes where other vulnerable people are staying with a disease that easily spreads from one person to another is bordering on willful negligence, especially if there is a shortage of protective equipment for staff.

Water John wrote: »

In nursing home care, the patient, staff and relatives may conclude that the, best care of the patient, is for them to remain in the care home. Medical intervention, like ICU, may not be optimum for the patient.

This is of course standard everywhere. But how many countries actually came up with a covid-19 "score" card for admissions to icu? Uk is the only one I'm aware of at the moment.

Enzokk wrote: »

This should get awkward for Sunak and for the National Clinical Director for Scotland. Here are their denials of the story, emphatically stating that no sich thing is happening.


I don't know how they think they are going to imagine this one away. How can they spin this to look like it isn't what it says on the tin, Scotland and Wales are being neglected in favour of England under the contract the firms have with Public Health England.

My guess is they will try to claim that this is a devolved matter and it is up to Scotland to have organized the contracts like PHE did, or something like that.

It is clear Prof Leitch (who actually comes across well) was a knee jerk response to the overnight story. He should keep stum until he has researched it a bit more

Difference here was apparent in the interview i heard with a nursing home rep on Sean O Rourke either today or yesterday, forget which. Anyway, he actually thanked the hse for their help. Yes, ppe was short but they were just about getting by.

Compare with distress you hear and read about from uk care providers for going on two weeks now.

RobMc59 wrote: »

In regards to the alleged PPE being diverted,Rishi Sunak said it`s untrue,if you have any evidence to the contrary please share it with us.

So a Tory said it is untrue therefore it must be untrue, have a gander at post 3061

RobMc59 wrote: »

If it`s true that`s very worrying,although Nicola Sturgeon appeared to be happy with PPE supplies in this recent article.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/29/30-million-items-ppe-delivered-scottish-hospitals-amid-shortages-12473151/

That is an article from over 2 weeks ago and is referring to Scottish NHS which is different to care homes - surely you know this?

RobMc59 wrote: »

I hope it`s not the faulty PPE from China.

Does your internet cut out two weeks ago or something? You only seem to be able to access weeks old links.

RobMc59 wrote: »

I`d imagine relatives of the elderly folks in these Spanish care homes were distraught to find their loved ones were abandoned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52014023

Almost every british healthcare worker that is interviewed either directly or indirectly points to the the lack of ppe as a major problem, yet the uk government(like a few timber heads on this thread) carry on trying to convince everyone ppe is not a problem, surely they will get exposed?

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Harsh but undeniable. The questions at the daily briefings are going to get tougher i think, problem is video link arrangement doesnt really lend for proper q&a scrutiny, they just dance around the questions without confronting them directly.

Whomever thought that daily presser was a good idea should be fired.

Don't get me wrong, it would normally be not only a good idea but a necessary one, but in the case of this government they simply do not have the performers to be able to handle it particularly when they are constantly trying to deflect.

Take Patel's slip up on the numbers last week. Sure it was funny, but what it really said was that she hadn't prepped. She misread it because that was the first time she had seen that number. Going into a presser with such a complete lack of attention to even the most basic of requirements shows how little they are focused on this.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Whomever thought that daily presser was a good idea should be fired.

Don't get me wrong, it would normally be not only a good idea but a necessary one, but in the case of this government they simply do not have the performers to be able to handle it particularly when they are constantly trying to deflect.

Take Patel's slip up on the numbers last week. Sure it was funny, but what it really said was that she hadn't prepped. She misread it because that was the first time she had seen that number. Going into a presser with such a complete lack of attention to even the most basic of requirements shows how little they are focused on this.

agree, but I think Sunak performs pretty well