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Hard Knocks · 13-04-2020 11:04PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Farmers/Finishers continue to make one serious mistake they constantly buy cattle when processors are filing there sheds. I van never understand the gra to finish cattle for March/April if you have to replace them. It is economic suicide. However there is an element of some lads feeling trapped if they do not drop a double of cattle to the factor every week. .

If you find out when the processor’s are going buying, let us know so we can drive up the price on them

Bass Reeves · 13-04-2020 11:26PM

richie123 wrote: »

I don't think there's much to it the value of beef gone to the UK 2019 was Around a billions worth for approximately 270000 tonnes.
Very easy work it out after that..unless I'm missing something big-time here, correct me away.

Most figures to do with beef exports are estimated. Processor's or retailers do not publish much details of what is paid for what. If you have not got full details if what was the price and to who you are fumbling around in the dark. Beef may be moved to ABP companies in the UK and sold to retailers through them.

Bass Reeves · 13-04-2020 11:29PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

If you find out when the processor’s are going buying, let us know so we can drive up the price on them

Processor's generally fill there feedlots in September/October to manage any gap in supply from Christmas to early February and again around then to manage supply during Spril-June

Base price · 14-04-2020 01:30AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Farmers/Finishers continue to make one serious mistake they constantly buy cattle when processors are filing there sheds. I van never understand the gra to finish cattle for March/April if you have to replace them. It is economic suicide. However there is an element of some lads feeling trapped if they do not drop a double of cattle to the factor every week.

On calves you will see most lads here think that in general some farmers are paying too much for calves. If you look at JEX calves it took 5 years+ for lads to understand you cannot buy them cheap enough. That is why calf slaughter number have gone from 600 to 15K since 2016 and are running over double 2019 year figures at present.

But dropping calf prices will not solve the problem for farmers . The lower the price of the calf the more likely that dairy farmers will go for more easier calving Bulls and you will get more and more ****ty AA calves. But sure that will be BP fault as well.

Jam it was not I that commented about the price of store in Jan/Feb. I pointed out the way when any downturn in prices happen these cattle exasperate the issue. in the US processors are not allowed to own or control feedlot units.

As some on F&F know we buy a few dairy bull calves to rear every year. We've noticed that a lot of the Friesian/Holstien herds that we used to buy from have introduced Jersey/Kiwi bloodlines into their herds in the last two/three years. The majority of those herds have daughters/sons that have entered into a parternishirp arrangement with their parents and have switched to JEx/Kiwi type cows.

Gawddawggonnit · 14-04-2020 05:59AM

Just loaded a truck with young bulls. Chx, limx and hex. Should grade R= at least. Base price €3.48 + vat.

lab man · 14-04-2020 06:37AM

wrangler wrote:

I wouldn't waste my time now trying to bully a factory ,they;ll do what they do and no one'll stop them

theyre was a time to stop them and the ifa took plenty off them to let them walk all over farmers

wrangler · 14-04-2020 07:55AM

lab man wrote: »

theyre was a time to stop them and the ifa took plenty off them to let them walk all over farmers

There was never a time, they're private companies and they do as they like.
Anytime I was in France beef was the same price here and sometimes even less in France.
I never agreed with protests but was always there but like last September the joke was on the farmers.
Why would anyone buy Irish beef now, Beef Plan have undermined every bit of it. Promotions, McDonalds and even the farmers management of the cattle . we're lucky to be selling it despite BPs efforts ....sad lot

Cavanjack · 14-04-2020 08:24AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Just loaded a truck with young bulls. Chx, limx and hex. Should grade R= at least. Base price €3.48 + vat.

Has the price dropped there much recently?

memorystick · 14-04-2020 01:55PM

I’ve a batch of 2 year old Friesan bullocks. Should I start them on meal for sale in June or July? €250 per ton for ration. 2-3 kgs per day wouldn’t be serious. Any advice greatly appreciated

whelan2 · 14-04-2020 02:12PM

2 striploin steaks for €4 in lidl. 400g

Fine Day · 14-04-2020 04:31PM

whelan2 wrote: »

2 striploin steaks for €4 in lidl. 400g

Might be like chewing gum.

Fine Day · 14-04-2020 04:38PM

memorystick wrote: »

I’ve a batch of 2 year old Friesan bullocks. Should I start them on meal for sale in June or July? €250 per ton for ration. 2-3 kgs per day wouldn’t be serious. Any advice greatly appreciated

I would be very interested to see how you go with them. I am thinking of buying a bunch of friesians yearling. Going to try finish them mid summer next year is the plan. Might leave as much as the fancy stock at the end of the day. All about keeping the cost down now.

Fine Day · 14-04-2020 05:49PM

Jjameson wrote: »

There huge variation in Friesian cattle. I’m just a few weeks rid of 36+ month lads I bought nov 18. Avg 640 @ 470kg with only €50 differential cheapest dearestthat time and got no meal till last 130 days. (Plan was to kill last fall off grass but what was the point )

There was 250€ Odd between best and worst performers. €1260 to €1520. But waste of time in any case.

I was chatting a guy on this a few years back. (I know things have changed alot since) the same man is pretty shroud. On this particular winter we compared a pen of friesians and a a pen of U/R grade fancy cattle. When he did his figures after they were gone the friesians left between 10 & 15% more money. Surely if you get decent friesian there is no reason you will not make the same or more at the end of the day.

Danzy · 14-04-2020 05:59PM

Theheff wrote: »

I was chatting a guy on this a few years back. (I know things have changed alot since) the same man is pretty shroud. On this particular winter we compared a pen of friesians and a a pen of U/R grade fancy cattle. When he did his figures after they were gone the friesians left between 10 & 15% more money. Surely if you get decent friesian there is no reason you will not make the same or more at the end of the day.

You should be the cracking friesian bought might be the let down when on the hook.

lab man · 14-04-2020 06:00PM

wrangler wrote:

There was never a time, they're private companies and they do as they like. Anytime I was in France beef was the same price here and sometimes even less in France. I never agreed with protests but was always there but like last September the joke was on the farmers. Why would anyone buy Irish beef now, Beef Plan have undermined every bit of it. Promotions, McDonalds and even the farmers management of the cattle . we're lucky to be selling it despite BPs efforts ....sad lot

the prob was guving the gactories the benifit of doubt after the first protest it wont happen again fact

Danzy · 14-04-2020 06:00PM

Danzy wrote: »

You should be the cracking friesian bought might be the let down when on the hook.

Still think one can have as good a chance with them as any other

Danzy · 14-04-2020 06:03PM

Jjameson wrote: »

There huge variation in Friesian cattle. I’m just a few weeks rid of 36+ month lads I bought nov 18. Avg 640 @ 470kg with only €50 differential cheapest dearestthat time and got no meal till last 130 days. (Plan was to kill last fall off grass but what was the point )

There was 250€ Odd between best and worst performers. €1260 to €1520. But waste of time in any case.

Same scenario, would have sent them off in Late November if back, sold on late January.

Nothing eats silage like a 35 month friesian Bullock.

whelan2 · 14-04-2020 06:04PM

Theheff wrote: »

Might be like chewing gum.

Nope nothing wrong with it. Just goes to show the profit other supermarkets, butchers and restaurants are making

jntsnk · 14-04-2020 06:29PM

Danzy wrote: »

Still think one can have as good a chance with them as any other

The only issue is P grading which is an awful hammering to get.

kk.man · 14-04-2020 07:15PM

jntsnk wrote: »

The only issue is P grading which is an awful hammering to get.

Very little difference between a p+ and a o-. Not many freisans grading better than a o in recent years. You just have to do your sums when buying.

Danzy · 14-04-2020 07:34PM

jntsnk wrote: »

The only issue is P grading which is an awful hammering to get.

Beef farming is like a bondage club, there are types of beatings for everyone attending no matter their story or circumstance.

locha · 14-04-2020 07:39PM

Danzy wrote: »

Beef farming is like a bondage club, there are types of beatings for everyone attending no matter their story or circumstance.

Classic!

Bass Reeves · 14-04-2020 08:56PM

memorystick wrote: »

I’ve a batch of 2 year old Friesan bullocks. Should I start them on meal for sale in June or July? €250 per ton for ration. 2-3 kgs per day wouldn’t be serious. Any advice greatly appreciated

Depends on there weight. I have them on grass since the 20th of March. The FR have done some thrive. Reckon some of them have done 59kgs since turnout.

With FR it a matter if putting flesh on them Maiz e/hulls or Barley/Maize/hulls depending on price. Used only maize/hulls last year very impressed wit it 2/3-1/3. Feed 2-3 kgs try to get them shifted pre 30months you may be able to flat price them.

I have cattle split in two bunches on the main block, 20 in one bunch and 37 in the other. The 20 are the heaviest cattle 14 fr in it. Will probably start them on ration in early May. Easier to fatten Fr from June-August than from September on

Cavanjack · 14-04-2020 09:26PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Depends on there weight. I have them on grass since the 20th of March. The FR have done some thrive. Reckon some of them have done 59kgs since turnout.

With FR it a matter if putting flesh on them Maiz e/hulls or Barley/Maize/hulls depending on price. Used only maize/hulls last year very impressed wit it 2/3-1/3. Feed 2-3 kgs try to get them shifted pre 30months you may be able to flat price them.

I have cattle split in two bunches on the main block, 20 in one bunch and 37 in the other. The 20 are the heaviest cattle 14 fr in it. Will probably start them on ration in early May. Easier to fatten Fr from June-August than from September on

What sort of money you get that mix for? What about straight barley on its own? Would it be any addition?

Bass Reeves · 14-04-2020 10:11PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

What sort of money you get that mix for? What about straight barley on its own? Would it be any addition?

I have not priced it yet this year. Looking at ex,port prices 190-220/ton depending on price of hulls. It important to include a fibre source, on grass hulls is best by far as it is not a sugar based fibre. After that it really a matter of the price of barley and maize. Unless maize is adding 20/ton+ extra to the mix it a good idea to include it.

Problem with not using hulls is that a lot of the grain will run straight through the rumen. Maize also slows the rumen. If hulls are cheap enough I consider straight hulls, however they is a risk they will stick in the bin.

At the end of the time it's all down to price. If barley was cheap enough I would.use it but generally I would try for a mix. However I understand this may not be possible for some, I be using 10 tonish of it so I can get 3ton lots blown into bin

tatoo · 14-04-2020 10:20PM

Are beef farmers entitled to the Covid-19 payment of 350/week ?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/full-time-farmers-can-claim-covid-19-payments-ifa-540227

Cavanjack · 14-04-2020 11:11PM

Will there be another €100 top up on cattle killed since the pandemic lads? Not much talk of it.

Base price · 14-04-2020 11:16PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Will there be another €100 top up on cattle killed since the pandemic lads? Not much talk of it.

TBH I doubt it as we're heading into a major recession and I doubt the funds will be available. Aid to private storage is probably more realistic.

wrangler · 15-04-2020 08:05AM

Jjameson wrote: »

There's a beef plan leader taking a dunk on my lawn every morning. Hoors the lot of them!

I see one of them wrote to Bord Bia claiming that beef is mislabelled in shops..... best evidence he could offer was ''the dogs in the street know it's going on'' . sad eh

locha · 15-04-2020 08:08AM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Will there be another €100 top up on cattle killed since the pandemic lads? Not much talk of it.

My fear is that with the amount of money Europe are pumping into bailing states due to Covid that they will be looking at all their budgets to cut back on spending. CAP is the one that could take a bigger proportion of a hit... time will tell. Anyway I would not be banking on another €100...

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