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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    They’re newly diagnosed, what part of that don’t you understand? They SHOULD be included, not all of us are in favour of Chemical Ali type reporting of numbers.
    If you watched the CMO speaking right now you'd know that they're not being included (they are, but spread out over the last month, because they're not new) in the government's growth charts, because they showed them. Seems you should be making the charts, not the CMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    I wouldn't be so complacent in your thought process. I don't treat the deaths that have or will occur lightly.

    Good for you. And neither do I. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    They’re newly diagnosed, what part of that don’t you understand? They SHOULD be included, not all of us are in favour of Chemical Ali type reporting of numbers.

    They are included in the overall figure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    This. This! Reports of supermarket staff getting sick are rare enough and they are there all day every day. Some have posted on here to say very little impact on numbers working/vs out sick. I think you'd be reasonably unlucky to catch it just walking through the supermarket, mask or no mask.

    We've been in a lockdown for so long so and the only place people could catch it is a supermarket! Staff in supermarket have the screen protecting them anyway and I saw most staff in my local aldi wearing masks too


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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    It is hard to figure where the new cases are coming from at such a high rate (even if we have broadly flattened it's still a lot of cases). Another poster asked a question last night which makes same point.
    I really struggle to understand why people place so much meaning on the "test result" figures

    They have limited the tests significantly. I would guess most of the "recorded" positives are coming from medical staff and nursing homes. However we have no real idea how many unrecorded positives there are out there. It could be as many again, it could be 5 or 10 times as many again

    I have little doubt the numbers will continue increasing by similar amounts so long as we are doing similar amounts of tests. And again the figures we see today may well be from people referred for testing a week (possibly more) ago


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Supermarkets.

    Source? Or do you just know?
    Only thing I am going on is local supermarket staff still there and posters on here that work in supermarkets saying there hasn't been any noticeable increase in sickness levels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    People not doing what they should, parties, visiting friends, etc...

    A lad in the restricitions thread had family over yesterday - despite his sister being a nurse living in the same house and not wanting to have anything to do with it - that's the type of people that we have to deal with.

    Reminds of me idiots when in college - you know ones that you have to do assignments with and think to yourself can't wait to get away from them, as they are so spaced out from reality etc, - and you get away from them, and see them in society and think how f**ked up their life is, the problem now is that we need this same idiots, who someone should have kicked sense into when they were in school/college, but no one did, to behave normally - but no chance of that happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Panrich




    These German tests have really clouded the issue. They are positive tests and need to be put in here somewhere so this chart is not accurate. All that says at the minute is that we are releasing results of x number of cases each day and that number is increasing at less than 10%. A good graph would show the test date related to each positive and that would tell us more about how we are really performing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭Redo91


    The Irish Times need to be clearer on how they are reporting their figures. I got an awful fright when I got the notification on my phone that there were 992 new cases when in reality it’s 527. The additional 465 are tests sent to Germany which are weeks old and many of those would now be recovered. It’s very misleading to include the two together and make it seem like they are all new cases. The German cases are old.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    So far, 269 people have been treated in intensive care since this crisis began.

    65 people have been discharged from ICU (24%), while 37 people died in ICU (14%).

    167 people are still being cared for in ICU, and the median age of all of those people who have been admitted to intensive care so far is 61.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    They’re newly diagnosed, what part of that don’t you understand? They SHOULD be included, not all of us are in favour of Chemical Ali type reporting of numbers.

    They should be included in the overall number but they are NOT new cases. Calling them new cases greatly distorts the current rate of growth

    Those in the german cases are a backlog that the person has been self isolated regardless of the test result. They're either recovered or have been through the hospital system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Panrich wrote: »
    These German tests have really clouded the issue. They are positive tests and need to be put in here somewhere so this chart is not accurate. All that says at the minute is that we are releasing results of x number of cases each day and that number is increasing at less than 10%. A good graph would show the test date related to each positive and that would tell us more about how we are really performing.
    The German test number gives the impression that all new German test results occurred on one day. Simply not true. Could be 20 one day, 25 next day, 15 day after etc. These numbers being included would have little to no effect on growth rate. That's what I've been trying to say, our growth rate has been dropping significantly in the last week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Source? Or do you just know?
    Only thing I am going on is local supermarket staff still there and posters on here that work in supermarkets saying there hasn't been any noticeable increase in sickness levels.


    Then the coffee shop or the beach, or the Wicklow mountains as a lycra clad virus spreader spits into the wilderness. The only place where the public are mixing are supermarkets, where else could it be spreading, outside healthcare settings?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    They should be included in the overall number but they are NOT new cases. Calling them new cases greatly distorts the current rate of growth

    Those in the german cases are a backlog that the person has been self isolated regardless of the test result. They're either recovered or have been through the hospital system.
    This, exactly. Thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Of the 31 additional deaths announced this evening, 18 were female and 13 were male, and the majority of cases occurred in the east of the country.

    Dr Tony Holohan said that there were reports of an underlying condition for 25 of the 31 people and that the median age was 82.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Ireland has now moved up to no.7 in the world for cases per capita (excluding micro states)


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    We've been in a lockdown for so long so and the only place people could catch it is a supermarket! Staff in supermarket have the screen protecting them anyway and I saw most staff in my local aldi wearing masks too

    Not convinced but absolutely it's possible. But it requires a belief that breathing near people, given that coughing and sneezing is as hoc, is enough to catch it and the jury is out on the likelihood or significance of that.

    I still think it's more likely people breaking the rules in general e.g. parties etc where people are together for a significant length of time and it only takes one fool to do plenty of damage.
    A quick trip through the aisles is low risk. IMO!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    We've been in a lockdown for so long so and the only place people could catch it is a supermarket! Staff in supermarket have the screen protecting them anyway and I saw most staff in my local aldi wearing masks too

    Do you honestly believe what you are typing? It's been like 2 weeks of restrictions. You can leave your house anytime you want, you can spend all day outside if you want to, it's far from a lockdown, and your very naive if you think that supermarket only place people are out together.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    So, looking at the RTE website and something isn't adding up

    "31 more people have died from Covid-19 in Ireland bringing the overall death toll to 365.

    527 more cases of the coronavirus have been diagnosed in the Republic. In addition, there are a further 465 confirmed cases of Covid-19 from the backlog of tests at the laboratory in Germany.

    With the German figures included, there is now a total of 10,647 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in Ireland.

    Of the 31 additional deaths announced this evening, 18 were female and 13 were male.

    Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan said that there were reports of an underlying condition for 25 of the 31 people who died and that the median age was 82.

    So far, there have been 365 deaths linked to Covid-19 in this country.

    68%, or 247 people, died in hospital. 37 people, or 10%, died in intensive care.

    Speaking this evening, Dr Holohan said that people as young as 30 and as old as 105 have died.

    However, he said the mean age was 69, and the median age was 62.

    80% of people who have been admitted to ICU to be treated for Covid-19 have had an underlying illness.

    So far, 269 people have been treated in intensive care since this crisis began.

    65 people have been discharged from ICU (24%), while 37 people died in ICU (14%).

    167 people are still being cared for in ICU, and the median age of all of those people who have been admitted to intensive care so far is 61.

    To date, 152 people have died in nursing homes.

    Dr Holohan said that 233 deaths have occurred in residential settings, and that 152 of these have been in "nursing home environments"."

    Total - 365
    Hospital deaths - 264
    Median age - 62 (it was 81 a couple of days ago)
    Residential death - 233 (152 in nursing homes)

    Am I missing something here?
    Honestly can't make sense of these numbers.
    264 + 233 =/= 365

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Ireland has now moved up to no.7 in the world for cases per capita (excluding micro states)

    A meaningless ranking


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Then the coffee shop or the beach, or the Wicklow mountains as a lycra clad virus spreader spits into the wilderness. The only place where the public are mixing are supermarkets, where else could it be spreading, outside healthcare settings?

    Somebody may have it and not know it, then a household member gets it, shows symptoms anfd tests positive.

    Then they contact trace and the first person tests positive as does another family member who is also asymptomatic

    Bingo, 3 news cases.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Beasty wrote: »
    I really struggle to understand why people place so much meaning on the "test result" figures

    They have limited the tests significantly. I would guess most of the "recorded" positives are coming from medical staff and nursing homes. However we have no real idea how many unrecorded positives there are out there. It could be as many again, it could be 5 or 10 times as many again

    I have little doubt the numbers will continue increasing by similar amounts so long as we are doing similar amounts of tests. And again the figures we see today may well be from people referred for testing a week (possibly more) ago

    The numbers of dead are giving some reasonable idea of something. And ICU and hospital numbers. The testing numbers I agree are too disorganised to be indicative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    JRant wrote: »
    So, looking at the RTE website and something isn't adding up

    "31 more people have died from Covid-19 in Ireland bringing the overall death toll to 365.

    527 more cases of the coronavirus have been diagnosed in the Republic. In addition, there are a further 465 confirmed cases of Covid-19 from the backlog of tests at the laboratory in Germany.

    With the German figures included, there is now a total of 10,647 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in Ireland.

    Of the 31 additional deaths announced this evening, 18 were female and 13 were male.

    Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan said that there were reports of an underlying condition for 25 of the 31 people who died and that the median age was 82.

    So far, there have been 365 deaths linked to Covid-19 in this country.

    68%, or 247 people, died in hospital. 37 people, or 10%, died in intensive care.

    Speaking this evening, Dr Holohan said that people as young as 30 and as old as 105 have died.

    However, he said the mean age was 69, and the median age was 62.

    80% of people who have been admitted to ICU to be treated for Covid-19 have had an underlying illness.

    So far, 269 people have been treated in intensive care since this crisis began.

    65 people have been discharged from ICU (24%), while 37 people died in ICU (14%).

    167 people are still being cared for in ICU, and the median age of all of those people who have been admitted to intensive care so far is 61.

    To date, 152 people have died in nursing homes.

    Dr Holohan said that 233 deaths have occurred in residential settings, and that 152 of these have been in "nursing home environments"."

    Total - 365
    Hospital deaths - 264
    Median age - 62 (it was 81 a couple of days ago)
    Residential death - 233 (152 in nursing homes)

    Am I missing something here?
    Honestly can't make sense of these numbers.
    264 + 233 =/= 365
    He clarified in the press conference that he gave the wrong number in his statement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    So far, 269 people have been treated in intensive care since this crisis began.

    65 people have been discharged from ICU (24%), while 37 people died in ICU (14%).

    167 people are still being cared for in ICU, and the median age of all of those people who have been admitted to intensive care so far is 61.

    So what your saying is 50% of the people being admitted to ICU are young?


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Then the coffee shop or the beach, or the Wicklow mountains as a lycra clad virus spreader spits into the wilderness. The only place where the public are mixing are supermarkets, where else could it be spreading, outside healthcare settings?

    I think that's the problem, it's not the only place the public are mixing. They are mixing where they shouldn't. Plus obviously healthcare workers who have no choice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Michael Dwyer


    From a layman's point of view I don't get this.

    Cases have been going up from the 200s, 300s, 400s into the 500s over the last 3 weeks. Deaths have gone up where most days they are 25-36. I can't fathom that beautiful chart with ICU admission increases plummeting. If it's true great. But something doesn't add up, even with so many of our deaths in nursing homes.

    RIP to all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe what you are typing? It's been like 2 weeks of restrictions. You can leave your house anytime you want, you can spend all day outside if you want to, it's far from a lockdown, and your very naive if you think that supermarket only place people are out together.

    So its restriction breakers infecting each other? Is this not perversely the university correcting things by knocking them off?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Ireland has now moved up to no.7 in the world for cases per capita (excluding micro states)

    Reported confirmed cases with no account of testing criteria/transparency considered.

    The comparison is ridiculously non-scientific.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    A lad in the restricitions thread had family over yesterday - despite his sister being a nurse living in the same house and not wanting to have anything to do with it - that's the type of people that we have to deal with.

    But would people like that bother looking for a test, unless they were seriously ill, which you'd imagine most of them wouldn't given the age profile?


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