The Chinese Big Lie

silverharp · 12-04-2020 06:56PM

mzhou wrote: »

Another obvious fake news. McDonald's is American, do you really think the American brand allows this to happen when they could be sued for million dollars?

That piece of paper is obviously made by someone not working in McDonald's and brought it there to make a video out of it to make it big in twitter and attract attention and cause tension.

it could be , but its not obvious, Africans are having a rough time in China at the moment, they are being kicked out of their accommodation. They don't speak Chinese but would be expected to have English , hence the sign is in English.

even fake news CNN is on it ;-)

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1248783102459154432

mzhou · 12-04-2020 07:07PM

silverharp wrote: »

it could be , but its not obvious, Africans are having a rough time in China at the moment, they are being kicked out of their accommodation. They don't speak Chinese but would be expected to have English , hence the sign is in English.

From what I see from news, it says it as 'reportedly', meaning that is not verified.

silverharp · 12-04-2020 07:12PM

mzhou wrote: »

From what I see from news, it says it as 'reportedly', meaning that is not verified.

Its reported on African news networks , obviously the news here is otherwise occupied

https://twitter.com/citizentvkenya/status/1248311525573636098

mzhou · 12-04-2020 07:16PM

silverharp wrote: »

Its reported on African news networks , obviously the news here is otherwise occupied

https://twitter.com/citizentvkenya/status/1248311525573636098

CNN has a reputation for being used for political propaganda.
I wonder if that is true, why all other big news is quiet about it. BBC, foxnews, extra.

From what i can see from your CNN page, it only shows people went to their resident place to test them. Not even sure if it is their apartment as it looks more like a hotel room. I would think they are people who just went to China, and were requested to take 14 days quarantine staying in Hotel and get tested.

For people sleeping on a street. I feel sorry for any homeless people no matter where they are or where they are from. But there is no sign of where it is. It could be any city right? No verification of where that photo is taken.

SEPT 23 1989 · 12-04-2020 07:18PM

They will need to be squeezed so hard after this by every country in the world so that they will never ever try to pull another stunt like this again

Yurt2 · 12-04-2020 07:24PM

mzhou wrote: »

Another obvious fake news. McDonald's is American, do you really think the American brand allows this to happen when they could be sued for million dollars?

That piece of paper is obviously made by someone not working in McDonald's and brought it there to make a video out of it to make it big in twitter and attract attention and cause tension.

Please stop

mzhou · 12-04-2020 07:39PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Please stop

I suppose this is a free forum for anyone to show their opinion, right? Please don't take it seriously and enjoy the Easter break

Yurt2 · 12-04-2020 07:42PM

mzhou wrote: »

I suppose this is a free forum for anyone to show their opinion, right? Please don't take it seriously and enjoy the Easter break

Your 'opinion' is that black people in Guangzhou and elsewhere in China are making this up and it's somehow fake news.

Just stop.

mzhou · 12-04-2020 07:45PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Your 'opinion' is that black people in Guangzhou and elsewhere in China are making this up and it's somehow fake news.

Just stop.

That video didn't show and I didn't say that the video was made by African people, right?
My opinion was there was no information in the video to verify that is true. Obviously, all life matters, but in this digital world where there are so many fake news, we just need to be careful not to be fooled by any fake news that could be fabricated just for some political reasons.

Das Reich · 12-04-2020 07:49PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Your 'opinion' is that black people in Guangzhou and elsewhere in China are making this up and it's somehow fake news.

Just stop.

Have many in my country Brazil some from Haiti and some from Africa and they all complaining about racism. It is really annoying as it is their modus operandi in every country they go even if the country that host them have a majority black population.

Yurt2 · 12-04-2020 08:04PM

Das Reich wrote: »

Have many in my country Brazil some from Haiti and some from Africa and they all complaining about racism. It is really annoying as it is their modus operandi in every country they go even if the country that host them have a majority black population.

Whatever your experience of Africans in Brazil, I'd call targeting a race for evictions and refused service in restaurants / hotels an open-and-shut case of racism.

mzhou · 12-04-2020 08:09PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Whatever your experience of Africans in Brazil, I'd call targeting a race for evictions and refused service in restaurants / hotels an open-and-shut case of racism.

I agree with you that nobody should be turned down because of race. But the initial point was there is no evidence or verification that Chinese are evicting anyone or McDonald's in China. And so called 'reportedly' stories seem not to be genuine. So we shouldn't be using a fake news to point fingers at another race.

declanflynn · 12-04-2020 08:29PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They will need to be squeezed so hard after this by every country in the world so that they will never ever try to pull another stunt like this again

Its very easy for western countries to make China pay for what they did, just put a 5% ( or whatever rate is fair) import tariff on imports from China, the rate could be agreed across all countries, China could even come aboard

mzhou · 12-04-2020 08:38PM

declanflynn wrote: »

Its very easy for western countries to make China pay for what they did, just put a 5% ( or whatever rate is fair) import tariff on imports from China, the rate could be agreed across all countries, China could even come aboard

That only means Irish consumers will pay 5% more for everything that is imported. All taxes, in the end, will only land on the shoulders of general public.

China used to be a big exporter, but it is a big importer now. Do you know why Germany's economy went to recession last few years and their GDP has been below 0% for a few years, because of tariff, and they could export to China as much any more.

Think about Irish products, especially agriculture products like beef, they will have a hard time to be exported. 70% of Irish food need to be exported as Irish only need 30% of agriculture products that Ireland produces.

Trade war will only hurt both sides in the end.

declanflynn · 12-04-2020 08:47PM

mzhou wrote: »

That only means Irish consumers will pay 5% more for everything that is imported. All taxes, in the end, will only land on the shoulders of general public.

China used to be a big exporter, but it is a big importer now. Do you know why Germany's economy went to recession last few years and their GDP has been below 0% for a few years, because of tariff, and they could export to China as much any more.

Think about Irish products, especially agriculture products like beef, they will have a hard time to be exported. 70% of Irish food need to be exported as Irish only need 30% of agriculture products that Ireland produces.

Trade war will only hurt both sides in the end.

how do you think we can make them pay

2u2me · 12-04-2020 09:06PM

mikiezzz wrote: »

It is simple math. 3,500 urns stacked, while official death toll is 2,535.

Here is some more simple math.

Temporary mortuary for up to 12,000 bodies being built at Birmingham Airport.

This story comes from the 27th March when they only had 700 dead! They must be lying.

mikiezzz · 12-04-2020 10:18PM

mzhou wrote: »

For a city of 10 million people, it would naturally have 3-400 people die each day based on the worldometers data. This is a special period, where people with heart attack, cancer and cardiovascular diseases cant really go to hospitals as freely as they use to, may die sadly at home, that would increase the death toll, not directly death from the virus, but need cremation services. These people may have been saved if it is not this unprecedented time. Plus is the extra deaths caused by the virus. I wouldn't be surprised that the death toll is higher and cremation services are busier. But I am surprised how the world does not do enough research, but just play the blame game.

False.

Wuhan's cremation demands exceeded the capacity of crematoriums so much that they added another 40 mobile cremation stoves. It is not at all their business level at normal situation.

2u2me · 12-04-2020 10:33PM

mikiezzz wrote: »

[...]

It seems these are mobile incinerators used to cremate medical waste and animal carcasses.

Here's a picture of a grave in New York. They must be lying.

wakka12 · 12-04-2020 11:39PM

mzhou wrote: »

For a city of 10 million people, it would naturally have 3-400 people die each day based on the worldometers data. This is a special period, where people with heart attack, cancer and cardiovascular diseases cant really go to hospitals as freely as they use to, may die sadly at home, that would increase the death toll, not directly death from the virus, but need cremation services. These people may have been saved if it is not this unprecedented time. Plus is the extra deaths caused by the virus. I wouldn't be surprised that the death toll is higher and cremation services are busier. But I am surprised how the world does not do enough research, but just play the blame game.

Think about poor Irish lady Mary Mallon who used to spread virus in America without knowing herself being the super spreader. From scientific point of view, maybe we can see a different story than just being fooled by political propoganda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

As they all say: rumors stop at the wise

Ah come on. The comparatively tiny country of Belgium,(127x times more smaller population than China) has had more deaths than China, and in about a third of the time too. The response in China to the outbreak made it crystal clear just how dire the situation was . Many more people than the 3500 reported died, absolutely and without a doubt

Theres scepitcal and 'wise' and then theres just swallowing bull**** no questions asked

bob mcbob · 12-04-2020 11:40PM

mzhou wrote: »

That only means Irish consumers will pay 5% more for everything that is imported. All taxes, in the end, will only land on the shoulders of general public.

China used to be a big exporter, but it is a big importer now. Do you know why Germany's economy went to recession last few years and their GDP has been below 0% for a few years, because of tariff, and they could export to China as much any more.

Think about Irish products, especially agriculture products like beef, they will have a hard time to be exported. 70% of Irish food need to be exported as Irish only need 30% of agriculture products that Ireland produces.

Trade war will only hurt both sides in the end.

Stuff in bold - drivel. Provide some independent facts to confirm your b***s**t statements -

- Germany in recession for the last few years
- their GDP has been below 0%
- China is a big importer now

Welcome to your future, when this is over

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-spy-agencies-urge-china-rethink-once-covid-19-crisis-is-over

The new Cold War is about to start

Oh yes sorry, I forgot to add that China is desperate to import meat from anywhere because just before Covid, they had another epidemic.
This time of African Swine flu. This is estimated to have killed off one third of all pigs in China.

Two epidemic in one year - are the CCP unlucky or incompetent?

threeball · 13-04-2020 12:29AM

mzhou wrote: »

That only means Irish consumers will pay 5% more for everything that is imported. All taxes, in the end, will only land on the shoulders of general public.

China used to be a big exporter, but it is a big importer now. Do you know why Germany's economy went to recession last few years and their GDP has been below 0% for a few years, because of tariff, and they could export to China as much any more.

Think about Irish products, especially agriculture products like beef, they will have a hard time to be exported. 70% of Irish food need to be exported as Irish only need 30% of agriculture products that Ireland produces.

Trade war will only hurt both sides in the end.

Theres plenty of market for Irish produce in Europe if we back out of this bloody Mercosur deal. Europeans should be backing Europeans going forward and keeping as much trade as possible local. We can't just turn a blind eye to the damage that countries like China and Brazil are doing to the environment just so we can buy cheap sh1t.

Grab All Association · 13-04-2020 09:06AM

deathbomber wrote: »

Assembled in Ireland doesn't equate to made in Ireland

The laptop (Powerbook) was assembled in USA. PCB and embedding happened in Ireland circa 1992. Majority capacitors, resistors, and VRMs etc were all sourced in Ireland and the EU iirc.

Those who claim it can't be done here are talking BS as it used to.

cryptocurrency · 13-04-2020 12:49PM

mikiezzz wrote: »

False.

Wuhan's cremation demands exceeded the capacity of crematoriums so much that they added another 40 mobile cremation stoves. It is not at all their business level at normal situation.

Yet this virus seems to elude all those non chinese in China....

mzhou · 13-04-2020 03:23PM

Some people just don;t like science, but playing political games

Wibbs · 13-04-2020 03:31PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Ah come on. The comparatively tiny country of Belgium,(127x times more smaller population than China) has had more deaths than China, and in about a third of the time too. The response in China to the outbreak made it crystal clear just how dire the situation was . Many more people than the 3500 reported died, absolutely and without a doubt

Theres scepitcal and 'wise' and then theres just swallowing bull**** no questions asked

the Chinese government are lying bastards. Most governments bend the truth at times, but the Chinese government have long had a problem with defining truth in the first place. I mean here's a crowd that lied about how bad this virus was, silenced those who tried to spread the reality of what was happening, shut down Wuhan, but didn't shut down the airports for outgoing flights at the same time(and it appears the WHO bought this no need to shut down air travel. The WHO have proven to be next to useless fcukers throughout), bought up large chunks of medical supplies in the rest of the world in the early days and sent it home, then have the hard fcuking neck to sell it back to the same rest of the world and we should be grateful to them, and now there are reports of an uptick in anti foreigner language and attacks inside China(well they're also xenophobes by culture to a degree that would shock most westerners in its blatancy, so not a shock) and yet will bitch loudly at any sort of anti Chinese sentiment? Fcuk them and the totalitarian corrupt craphole horse they rode in on.

threeball · 13-04-2020 03:36PM

mzhou wrote: »

Could this be the final straw for Trump. Somehow i doubt it.

Wibbs · 13-04-2020 03:37PM

bob mcbob wrote: »

Stuff in bold - drivel. Provide some independent facts to confirm your b***s**t statements -

Indeed. For all the impressive window dressing and Big Projects! China has been riding the raggedy edge of recession for years. Tiny profit margins, mass intellectual property theft, a crazy property speculation bubble that makes our Celtic Tiger madness look like good business, decidedly opaque currency and economy bookkeeping and an ageing demographic as the young people who helped build their manufacturing base with very low wages aren't being replaced. Google how many schools China has closed down over the last few years. Not enough kids to fill them. This virus will hit them hard. No wonder they're being "economical" with truth, as much as they can define it.

2u2me · 13-04-2020 03:44PM

threeball wrote: »

Could this be the final straw for Trump. Somehow i doubt it.

Fauci is 100% right. There is a line and Trump has crossed it.

"earlier mitigation efforts could have saved more lives"

This is undeniable. It is not up to China to close their outbounds flights to here in the case of a pandemic. Our borders are our own business, we should have closed flights from there. There is a difference.

Wibbs · 13-04-2020 03:52PM

2u2me wrote: »

Fauci is 100% right. There is a line and Trump has crossed it.

"earlier mitigation efforts could have saved more lives"

This is undeniable. It is not up to China to close their outbounds flights to here in the case of a pandemic. Our borders are our own business, we should have closed flights from there. There is a difference.

Yes we should have closed our borders, however it perfectly illustrates how much the Chinese government give a damn about anywhere that isn't China that they kept the flights going out. Who are now trying a hearts and minds campaign in places like Serbia in a desperate show of soft power by "donating" supplies to some countries and charging to beat the band other countries. That our Taoiseach was on the phone to thanks our Chinese "friends" for taking over 200 million quid of all our money is a crazy state of affairs Like I said utter bastards and should be treated as such in all dealings with them, especially going forward.

I don't blame China for too damned many western companies and westerners clamouring for cheap tat from China. That's on us, but by God this should show we really need to rethink having all our manufacturing eggs in one rotten Chinese basket. With added bat and pangolin guts.

IAMAMORON · 13-04-2020 03:57PM

2u2me wrote: »

Fauci is 100% right. There is a line and Trump has crossed it.

"earlier mitigation efforts could have saved more lives"

This is undeniable. It is not up to China to close their outbounds flights to here in the case of a pandemic. Our borders are our own business, we should have closed flights from there. There is a difference.

It is only a matter of time before Trump is blamed for the entire Pandemic.

If you had a subordinate trying to take the piss out of you what would you do? Honest answer please?

It is my understanding that there are no direct flights from China to Ireland?

The Chinese Big Lie

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