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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #2582
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Strumms wrote: »
    Frontline staff are superheroes, I had to find out the hard way. The ‘system’ is absolutely fücked though... the next politician or the next anyone who goes on about us having the ‘best healthcare in the world’ or even a ‘world class health system’ I’m going to personally try get them sectioned.

    We need to get away from this idea that frontline healthcare workers are superheroes, that this kind of work is a vocation..it's not..Even Louise O'Reilly said it's just a job for most.


  • #2583
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    They are called 'trials'. Sometimes they have good outcomes, sometimes not so much.

    Hmmm. Never in my life have I heard of 'trials'. Thanks so much for that. The poster I was responding to suggested a "rush to approve" and so my point was that, having rushed to approve the vaccine/drug, perhaps governments/drug companies could have a legally binding disclaimer.


  • #2584
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,073 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    bekker wrote: »
    Useful article from yesterday's Guardian on reliable sources and comparing countries, doesn't appear to have been posted previously.

    Coronavirus statistics: what can we trust and what should we ignore?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/coronavirus-statistics-what-can-we-trust-and-what-should-we-ignore#maincontent

    I didn't open that link as the it's a case of the kettle calling the pot black with some of the rubbish that paper published


  • #2585
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Was surprised to hear London only has 16,000 confirmed cases, assumed it would be around 50% of the UK total at least, 40,000 or so cases. Dublin has about 5,000 doesnt it?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/virus-hitting-hardest-modern-equivalent-victorian-slums


  • #2586
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Not enough people would go for that. I wouldn't. I mean looking at he figures there is a small chance I get this while staying at home and even then a 0.2% chance of me dying so the odds of very serious harm are overall quite slim. If I don't trust the vaccine then I am not going for it. I don't get to see my mum and granny for a bit longer but I can deal.

    If it has gone through testing etc. as per every other vaccine I have been given in my life then that is fine.

    But you are relatively young and healthy. If you were 75 with severe asthma, you might think differently about taking a chance on a new vaccine or antiviral drug.


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  • #2587
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I didn't open that link as the it's a case of the kettle calling the pot black with some of the rubbish that paper published
    What are you actually on about, the Guardian is the best-regarded paper by scholars and professionals in the UK. What British paper would you defer to, as a matter of interest?

    The article is informative, balanced and well-written.


  • #2588
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,352 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    We need to get away from this idea that frontline healthcare workers are superheroes, that this kind of work is a vocation..it's not..Even Louise O'Reilly said it's just a job for most.

    Exactly. That sort of soppy language detracts from the professionalism of those doing a difficult job. (powered by love etc.)

    It also casts them as poor Florence Nightingale types, allowing them to be paid badly.


  • #2589
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Watching Sky News report from a Naples hospital now. Fascinating how they manage infection control. Zero staff infected.

    Will the HSE learn from it?


  • #2590
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    s1ippy wrote: »
    What are you actually on about, the Guardian is the best-regarded paper by scholars and professionals in the UK. What British paper would you defer to, as a matter of interest?

    The article is informative, balanced and well-written.

    Can't think of another paper in Britain that I would trust more.


  • #2591
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    bekker wrote: »
    Useful article from yesterday's Guardian on reliable sources and comparing countries, doesn't appear to have been posted previously.

    Coronavirus statistics: what can we trust and what should we ignore?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/coronavirus-statistics-what-can-we-trust-and-what-should-we-ignore#maincontent

    Know how to get around the pay wall?


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  • #2592
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    Know how to get around the pay wall?


    There's no paywall (yet) on the Guardian.


  • #2593
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Achasanai wrote: »
    There's no paywall (yet) on the Guardian.

    Ah yes sorry, saw that it wanted me to register, assumed it was gonna cost me. Thanks :)


  • #2594
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    I work in a busy hotel in Killarney which is obviously currently closed. Someone in the work Whatsapp group asked our manager if we'll still be reopening as planned on May 14th. I mean... :confused:


  • #2595
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    An powerful rendition of ‘Amazing Grace’ to the empty Piazza del Duomo, literally the center of Milan, and so emotional to hear the blind Andrea Bocelli emphasize the lines “was blind, but now I see”.

    From Andrea Bocelli: Music For Hope - Live From Duomo di Milano yesterday (@ 18.35 rewind for the complete 25 minute performance)

    The Irish connection to the hymn, Donegal weather, Tory Island, Buncrana and Lough Swilly.


    Didnt think i would make it through these times until i saw that. Floods of tears here. Wow. Beautiful.


    We should all head outside at 8 tonight and clap for Andrea.


  • #2596
    Speak Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,883 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Can't think of another paper in Britain that I would trust more.

    The amount of Daily Mail and The Sun links on here....shudder.


  • #2597
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Hmmm. Never in my life have I heard of 'trials'. Thanks so much for that. The poster I was responding to suggested a "rush to approve" and so my point was that, having rushed to approve the vaccine/drug, perhaps governments/drug companies could have a legally binding disclaimer.

    There you are. You can sign up if you are willing.

    https://www.centerwatch.com/clinical-trials/listings/location/international/Ireland/


  • #2598
    Speak Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,883 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Another 667 dead in England including a 17 year old :(


  • #2599
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    There you are. You can sign up if you are willing.

    https://www.centerwatch.com/clinical-trials/listings/location/international/Ireland/

    As to the point I made?


  • #2600
    poppers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭poppers


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I wonder if drug companies/governments could put in a disclaimer that would be legally valid?

    Doubt it otherwise every playground adventure park would get you to sign such a disclaimer before you enter.


  • #2601
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    But you are relatively young and healthy. If you were 75 with severe asthma, you might think differently about taking a chance on a new vaccine or antiviral drug.

    Antiviral drug even I would think about if I was struggling and had the virus. A vaccine. It depends. Would those vulnerable people also be more vulnerable to the effects of a vaccine? However in any case if you are only giving the vaccine to a small proportion of the population it is more a test than a roll out which will happen anyway.

    In this case I would still stay indoors. Even if my granny had it I would avoid her in case it didn't work.


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  • #2602
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Was surprised to hear London only has 16,000 confirmed cases, assumed it would be around 50% of the UK total at least, 40,000 or so cases. Dublin has about 5,000 doesnt it?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/virus-hitting-hardest-modern-equivalent-victorian-slums

    UK are only testing people who end up in hospital or with severe symptoms is my understanding and the vast majority of cases aren't being diagnosed. All we can do is estimate UK and London cases. One rule of thumb is a 1% fatality rate. So UK is likely to have somewhere between 1-2 million cases. And London several hundred thousand, many of them asymptomatic.


  • #2603
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,197 ✭✭✭screamer


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    We need to get away from this idea that frontline healthcare workers are superheroes, that this kind of work is a vocation..it's not..Even Louise O'Reilly said it's just a job for most.

    You can call them what you like. Fact is, that while the rest of us hide at home, they move to the front line. I saw them myself over the weekend in a trip to the hospital, normal people doing a hard job at the best of times, some with ****ty papery masks, some with none at all. Young, old, pregnant all there to help, risking their own lives to save ours.
    You can call them what you like, I call them vulnerable, at risk, professional and the last bastion we have against this virus. They are amazing people and deserve all our gratitude and respect. They are heroes to me.


  • #2604
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    poppers wrote: »
    Doubt it otherwise every playground adventure park would get you to sign such a disclaimer before you enter.

    Yeah but these are extraordinary times. It's the bite point between possible severe side effects and reducing deaths. No doubt, as we speak, some drug companies are wandering around poor parts of poor countries offering a pittance for trials.


  • #2605
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    I know some believe it is negative to criticise how Ireland allowed the virus to get so widespread. Some people maybe feel safe in the delusion that Simon Harris and co have 'played a blinder', maybe the untruth gives comfort.
    We only played a blinder when compared to the very worst countries, excluding micro nations we are among the worst affected countries population wise in the world.
    Compared to some countries who have similar population or a bit bigger, we have hundreds more deaths.
    I take it when people compare us to the UK, they simply want to compare to the worst to make Ireland look better. We should not be comparing ourselves to the worse because that should not be our target. We need to compare to the best and then the truth is, we have been letdown badly by the people in charge and it has cost many many lives. We are all putting on the green jersey when we look for the truth and want better for our country.
    Saying how great we are doing when the metric used is against the worst performing countries is a recipe for low standards - this does not help us to be better, we need to compare against the best and acknowledge we have not done anything close to what is deemed good.
    We are all trying now to get control of the situation, but in the early days, the inaction, no screening, no quarantining, official advise being it was not the department of health's advice to not visit nursing homes and so on, all this has cost lives.

    We can be proud that as a people we are working now to save lives, but it doesn't mean we should be applauding ourselves on doing a good job, when the reality is, we were too slow at the start as the people in power were too busy with a general election and the fallout from it.
    This has been a massive failure and the inaction and excuses for it have cost lives, and caused many more people to be ill than should have been.
    Being afraid to act and not acting earlier is where we have failed as a country.

    To me it is positive to state this as we should all want better and not be sticking our heads in the sand because it is easier to think 'we have done great'.


  • #2606
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Have you evey changed a babies nappy or soiled bed? What equipment or PPE did you use?

    Get a grip will ya. Hospital Ward's and bathrooms have toilet paper and mop up paper. Get off your arse and do something.

    You really have no idea how a professional medical ward is run. Stop trying to pretend you do because you're making an absolute fool of yourself.


  • #2607
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Not a fan of Harris but he is far better public speaker than leo


  • #2608
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Not a fan of Harris but he is far better public speaker than leo

    It's easy to get more irritated than normal at the moment. I'm getting irritiated by Leo's speeches, where he seems to break up every sentence into 2 or 3 pieces...did he always do that?

    "We really need to come together on this.......So that we can get this country back on it's feet again.......and we all have our part to play here...etc. etc." My words not Leo's!


  • #2609
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    It's easy to get more irritated than normal at the moment. I'm getting irritiated by Leo's speeches, where he seems to break up every sentence into 2 or 3 pieces...did he always do that?

    "We really need to come together on this.......So that we can get this country back on it's feet again.......and we all have our part to play here...etc. etc." My words not Leo's!

    Maybe the teleprompter is slow :pac:


  • #2610
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,352 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    The Guardian is saying that some of today's reported 667 deaths in England occurred weeks ago, but only being reported now.

    It's frustrating how all of this data is being collated and reported on in different ways.
    Makes comparative analysis really difficult.


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  • #2611
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,677 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Who cares about who is testing what way today? Hopefully our deaths start to drop but today is a day to be positive. We might soon have a medicine to prevent deaths and it looks like we have a real chance of a having a vaccine in the future now.


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