Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Ace2007 · 12-04-2020 11:39PM

Tandey wrote: »

A single person paying a mortgage of over 1200 a month would be on in excess of 110k a year so I’d have no sympathy if they couldn’t afford their mortgage in a time like this.

Exactly

Tandey · 12-04-2020 11:40PM

Jenbach110 wrote: »

I think you have miscalculated your lack of sympathy

Do tell me where I went wrong apart from the 1200 a week where I meant month.

joe_99 · 12-04-2020 11:41PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Only lost 334 so far.... Due to the restrictions, the forward planning of the government, HSE, the countless staff working unnamed in the background scaling up our response and also the public who for the most part have done everything asked of them and sacrificed alot of their daily lives to keep that number as 334

If not it most certainly would be much much higher. It's because of all those actions that's not. I was afraid people would see lower deaths as the government going overboard and not realise it's lower because of that fact.

100% agree

Kermit.de.frog · 12-04-2020 11:41PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Lets wisen up here. The restrictions should be eased.

smelly sock wrote: »

Its absolutely and over reaction to something which affects a tiny number of people in reality yet the measure imposed are indirectly destroying peoples lives.

#liftthelockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nqcgUDoV_M

Funsterdelux · 12-04-2020 11:44PM

Jeff2 wrote: »

The people clapping in hospital that has a virus is redictualu. Clapping moves air.

smelly sock · 12-04-2020 11:45PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Listen. I see your posts. I'll tell you as it is. My wife is front line in a dublin hospital. Saving peoples lives while you watch netlix. They're doing really well and to be frank I'd take exception to you seeing it as a third world health care system. Its a total insult to the dedicated staff. Yes it has its faults but this health system has been transformed over the past few weeks. Yes it was exposed by its lowest ICU beds but everyone has pulled together to avoid complete **** show. People hardworking day and night to ensure you and your family are safe while you watch Netflix. Lets show them some respect.

Hang on pal. My brother is frontline too. Ive had plenty of bad experiences in irish hospitals with both nurses and doctors. The people like myself who stay at home and watch Netflix will save thousamds of lives directly.

My mother was left in her own excrement for 3 hours while 5 nurses were at the station drinking tea. I had to ask 6 times for her to be looked after and the attitude was appalling. I really hope those people dont work in the hospitals anymore.

I fully respect the hard workers putting the hours in to look after the poorly but the system is ****e for mulitple reasons. Not just over admin or governance issue but frontline problems too

Covid 19 hasnt changed the fact the health service is shocking.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-04-2020 11:50PM

smelly sock wrote: »

My mother was left in her own excrement for 3 hours while 5 nurses were at the station drinking tea. I had to ask 6 times for her to be looked after and the attitude was appalling. I really hope those people dont work in the hospitals anymore.

I can well believe you.

But that stuff sadly happens in health services all over the world, not just here.

I hope you complained at the time.

Big problem is people don't complain there and then when they should.

eagle eye · 12-04-2020 11:51PM

Spencer Brown wrote:

Your exact words below. This is not a fact at all and only adds to the fear some people are feeling right now. In all likelihood they never fully recovered, these people were still in hospital being tested to see if they could be discharged.

But you don't know that. Nobody outside of Medical experts in South Korea know anything about it yet. I'll take their word over yours.

smelly sock · 12-04-2020 11:52PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I can well believe you.

But that stuff sadly happens in health services all over the world, not just here.

I hope you complained at the time.

Big problem is people don't complain there and then when they should.

I did and fully agree with you.

Its a pitty that such a minority can leave such an impact.

Full respect for the hard working fontline and admin staff doing their best though.

froog · 12-04-2020 11:53PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Hang on pal. My brother is frontline too. Ive had plenty of bad experiences in irish hospitals with both nurses and doctors. The people like myself who stay at home and watch Netflix will save thousamds of lives directly.

My mother was left in her own excrement for 3 hours while 5 nurses were at the station drinking tea. I had to ask 6 times for her to be looked after and the attitude was appalling. I really hope those people dont work in the hospitals anymore.

I fully respect the hard workers putting the hours in to look after the poorly but the system is ****e for mulitple reasons. Not just over admin or governance issue but frontline problems too

Covid 19 hasnt changed the fact the health service is shocking.

so the health service is ****e and we should overflow it with corona patients? that seems to be the summary of your points.

smelly sock · 12-04-2020 11:55PM

froog wrote: »

so the health service is ****e and we should overflow it with corona patients? that seems to be the summary of your points.

Absolutely not. Lockdown isnt going to be sustainable. A different approach will be needed asap. We need to get people focusing on that now.

MaureensFry · 12-04-2020 11:55PM

Tandey wrote: »

A single person paying a mortgage of over 1200 a month would be on in excess of 110k a year so I’d have no sympathy if they couldn’t afford their mortgage in a time like this.

Where are you pulling 110K a year from for a single person? A lot of people on half of this on 55k are paying 1200 a year.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 12:02AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Absolutely not. Lockdown isnt going to be sustainable. A different approach will be needed asap. We need to get people focusing on that now.

I think the government have been pretty open about the fact that endless lockdown is and never was their goal. They have stated that the lockdown was to stop the exponential growth to not have the health system overloaded. Once they find the balance (people being discharged from ICU at a higher rate than being admitted to) that's the plan.

This is going to be with us for the foreseeable future, but the plan is to have it so the health system can take it, while also provide regular healthcare and people, well most people can go back to work.
Don't expect your social life to be back to anything like normal anytime soon though.

Maestro85 · 13-04-2020 12:08AM

Sorry to be a pain in the arse but any major updates today? I was at work then conked when I came in the door so thought to ask here instead of the fear mongering news stations.

Tandey · 13-04-2020 12:08AM

MaureensFry wrote: »

Where are you pulling 110K a year from for a single person? A lot of people on half of this on 55k are paying 1200 a year.

How much of a mortgage did these people get on average?

Widdensushi · 13-04-2020 12:10AM

they ****ed up with a three week extension, they have been consistently saying it takes two weeks to see the results of any new measures and they turned around and extended the existing measures by three weeks. It would have been better to do it week by week, they would have more information to base the decision. Also it's easier to convince yourself, ok one more week than think at least three more weeks.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:12AM

Maestro85 wrote: »

Sorry to be a pain in the arse but any major updates today? I was at work then conked when I came in the door so thought to ask here instead of the fear mongering news stations.

Less deaths. 14. Less cases also.

Phoebas · 13-04-2020 12:12AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

they ****ed up with a three week extension, they have been consistently saying it takes two weeks to see the results of any new measures and they turned around and extended the existing measures by three weeks. It would have been better to do it week by week, they would have more information to base the decision. Also it's easier to convince yourself, ok one more week than think at least three more weeks.

What's the evidence for that?

castletownman · 13-04-2020 12:13AM

My cousin got tested early last week. Results came back negative by the weekend.

Which has me very encouraged that they have sped up the whole process, which I feel (with zero knowledge of how medical statistics work) should flatten and reduce the curve a lot quicker. If the curve isn't already flattened to some degree already.

Maestro85 · 13-04-2020 12:14AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Less deaths. 14. Less cases also.

Cheers Smelly Sock.

maebee · 13-04-2020 12:14AM

The Lidl checkout worker is as important as the infectious disease professor /QUOTE]

Agreed. Lidl worker probably more frontline than the infectious disease professor. Both doing fantastic work

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 12:15AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

they ****ed up with a three week extension, they have been consistently saying it takes two weeks to see the results of any new measures and they turned around and extended the existing measures by three weeks. It would have been better to do it week by week, they would have more information to base the decision. Also it's easier to convince yourself, ok one more week than think at least three more weeks.

People were getting tired (after only a week) looking for an end date. An end date which if you ask any expert, they can't give. It's 2 weeks to see if the measures work and by that extent. Then possibly a week to see the curve flatten, that leaves 2 weeks to crush the curve as low as you can before easing restrictions.

Cases will rise once restrictions are eased, but starting from 25 new cases instead of 150 new cases gives you extra time and leeway.

DebDynamite · 13-04-2020 12:19AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

they ****ed up with a three week extension, they have been consistently saying it takes two weeks to see the results of any new measures and they turned around and extended the existing measures by three weeks. It would have been better to do it week by week, they would have more information to base the decision. Also it's easier to convince yourself, ok one more week than think at least three more weeks.

I agree with you re the two week thing, but if they were to lift it a week before the May bank holiday weekend, the country could be carnage for the bank holiday. People would flock to the beaches and beauty spots en masse, undoing any good work which may have been done the previous weeks. It sucks to miss out on another bank holiday really, but it’s for the best

Tandey · 13-04-2020 12:21AM

MaureensFry wrote: »

Where are you pulling 110K a year from for a single person? A lot of people on half of this on 55k are paying 1200 a year.

How much of a mortgage did these people get on average?

Someone paying 1200 a month who has a mortgage of I reckon say 320k plus over 30-35 years.
It’s not possible to get a mortgage of over 220k on 55k in Ireland let alone 320k.

s1ippy · 13-04-2020 12:22AM

Is it just me or is anyone who was remotely informed completely absent from this thread now and replaced by people who are going "ah shur we'll be grand" and "oh you're whacking off over the figures when they're high".

It's like when the mild panic buying started in the beginning of March and people started laughing at those who suspected something more serious was afoot. It's fairly detrimental to a productive exchange of views that the Internet is just full of people trying to scream the loudest.

Night #concannonbots, hope you manage to reconcile with whatever sort of evil you intend to perpetuate.

MipMap · 13-04-2020 12:27AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

People were getting tired (after only a week) looking for an end date. An end date which if you ask any expert, they can't give. It's 2 weeks to see if the measures work and by that extent. Then possibly a week to see the curve flatten, that leaves 2 weeks to crush the curve as low as you can before easing restrictions.

Cases will rise once restrictions are eased, but starting from 25 new cases instead of 150 new cases gives you extra time and leeway.

Amazes me how people think thank Leo Varadkar, Simon Harris or Tony Holohon have a precise plan in mind when they are dealing with a virus that nobody knows how to deal with.
They are playing it by the seat of their pants, just like governments all over the world.
They have no master plan. They know the lockdown can hold for only so long but they also know that the longer it holds the better it is for the health system.
As for the economy. Get real. This is predominantly determined by what happens in the rest of the world. Not here in Ireland. They don't control that.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 12:32AM

MipMap wrote: »

Amazes me how people think thank Leo Varadkar, Simon Harris of Tony Holohon have a precise plan in mind when they are dealing with a virus that nobody knows how to deal with.
They are playing it by the seat of their pants, just like governments all over the world.
They have no master plan. They know the lockdown can hold for only so long but they also know that the longer it holds the better it is for the health system.
As for the economy. Get real. This is predominantly determined by what happens in the rest of the world. Not here in Ireland. They don't control that.

The government here can control our economy, of course the rest of the world/every country economy is in for a **** storm.
Local businesses, hiring local people, selling local things etc... Are less affected to the worldwide economy than a large exporter depending on a certain country/industry for exporting.

Companies haven't closed/gone under. They still have cash reserves/lines of credit and customers ready for them as soon as they can open. The balance is not to choke those companies or overrun the health system.

AlmightyCushion · 13-04-2020 12:35AM

castletownman wrote: »

My cousin got tested early last week. Results came back negative by the weekend.

Which has me very encouraged that they have sped up the whole process, which I feel (with zero knowledge of how medical statistics work) should flatten and reduce the curve a lot quicker. If the curve isn't already flattened to some degree already.

I think we have more or less got the testing issues sorted. My dad was tested on Tuesday evening and got his results the next morning. I don't think he even met the requirement for testing, they just did it anyway as a precaution. Given he didn't meet the typical criteria for testing, got tested any way and got his result back very quickly, it gives me hope that they have finally gotten rid of all the bottlenecks and we'll be able to ramp up testing.

Micky 32 · 13-04-2020 12:37AM

castletownman wrote: »

My cousin got tested early last week. Results came back negative by the weekend.

I wonder about some of these negative results. A cousin of mine was quite unwell for a couple of weeks. Very short of breath and all the other symptoms yet he tested negative. Unless there’s a bad flu doing the rounds also?

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 12:40AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I think we have more or less got the testing issues sorted. My dad was tested on Tuesday evening and got his results the next morning. I don't think he even met the requirement for testing, they just did it anyway as a precaution. Given he didn't meet the typical criteria for testing, got tested any way and got his result back very quickly, it gives me hope that they have finally gotten rid of all the bottlenecks and we'll be able to ramp up testing.

I hope your dad's test came back negative.
So many critise the testing. They had to ramp up from a single lab to wide scale testing. Even Germany, whose seen as the best, took 4 weeks to scale up their testing.
I think if we keep the numbers steady (no massive demand for testing) it will give them 3 weeks to ramp up when the restrictions lift.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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