Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

DebDynamite · 13-04-2020 01:19AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

they ****ed up with a three week extension, they have been consistently saying it takes two weeks to see the results of any new measures and they turned around and extended the existing measures by three weeks. It would have been better to do it week by week, they would have more information to base the decision. Also it's easier to convince yourself, ok one more week than think at least three more weeks.

I agree with you re the two week thing, but if they were to lift it a week before the May bank holiday weekend, the country could be carnage for the bank holiday. People would flock to the beaches and beauty spots en masse, undoing any good work which may have been done the previous weeks. It sucks to miss out on another bank holiday really, but it’s for the best

Tandey · 13-04-2020 01:21AM

MaureensFry wrote: »

Where are you pulling 110K a year from for a single person? A lot of people on half of this on 55k are paying 1200 a year.

How much of a mortgage did these people get on average?

Someone paying 1200 a month who has a mortgage of I reckon say 320k plus over 30-35 years.
It’s not possible to get a mortgage of over 220k on 55k in Ireland let alone 320k.

s1ippy · 13-04-2020 01:22AM

Is it just me or is anyone who was remotely informed completely absent from this thread now and replaced by people who are going "ah shur we'll be grand" and "oh you're whacking off over the figures when they're high".

It's like when the mild panic buying started in the beginning of March and people started laughing at those who suspected something more serious was afoot. It's fairly detrimental to a productive exchange of views that the Internet is just full of people trying to scream the loudest.

Night #concannonbots, hope you manage to reconcile with whatever sort of evil you intend to perpetuate.

MipMap · 13-04-2020 01:27AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

People were getting tired (after only a week) looking for an end date. An end date which if you ask any expert, they can't give. It's 2 weeks to see if the measures work and by that extent. Then possibly a week to see the curve flatten, that leaves 2 weeks to crush the curve as low as you can before easing restrictions.

Cases will rise once restrictions are eased, but starting from 25 new cases instead of 150 new cases gives you extra time and leeway.

Amazes me how people think thank Leo Varadkar, Simon Harris or Tony Holohon have a precise plan in mind when they are dealing with a virus that nobody knows how to deal with.
They are playing it by the seat of their pants, just like governments all over the world.
They have no master plan. They know the lockdown can hold for only so long but they also know that the longer it holds the better it is for the health system.
As for the economy. Get real. This is predominantly determined by what happens in the rest of the world. Not here in Ireland. They don't control that.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:32AM

MipMap wrote: »

Amazes me how people think thank Leo Varadkar, Simon Harris of Tony Holohon have a precise plan in mind when they are dealing with a virus that nobody knows how to deal with.
They are playing it by the seat of their pants, just like governments all over the world.
They have no master plan. They know the lockdown can hold for only so long but they also know that the longer it holds the better it is for the health system.
As for the economy. Get real. This is predominantly determined by what happens in the rest of the world. Not here in Ireland. They don't control that.

The government here can control our economy, of course the rest of the world/every country economy is in for a **** storm.
Local businesses, hiring local people, selling local things etc... Are less affected to the worldwide economy than a large exporter depending on a certain country/industry for exporting.

Companies haven't closed/gone under. They still have cash reserves/lines of credit and customers ready for them as soon as they can open. The balance is not to choke those companies or overrun the health system.

AlmightyCushion · 13-04-2020 01:35AM

castletownman wrote: »

My cousin got tested early last week. Results came back negative by the weekend.

Which has me very encouraged that they have sped up the whole process, which I feel (with zero knowledge of how medical statistics work) should flatten and reduce the curve a lot quicker. If the curve isn't already flattened to some degree already.

I think we have more or less got the testing issues sorted. My dad was tested on Tuesday evening and got his results the next morning. I don't think he even met the requirement for testing, they just did it anyway as a precaution. Given he didn't meet the typical criteria for testing, got tested any way and got his result back very quickly, it gives me hope that they have finally gotten rid of all the bottlenecks and we'll be able to ramp up testing.

Micky 32 · 13-04-2020 01:37AM

castletownman wrote: »

My cousin got tested early last week. Results came back negative by the weekend.

I wonder about some of these negative results. A cousin of mine was quite unwell for a couple of weeks. Very short of breath and all the other symptoms yet he tested negative. Unless there’s a bad flu doing the rounds also?

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:40AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I think we have more or less got the testing issues sorted. My dad was tested on Tuesday evening and got his results the next morning. I don't think he even met the requirement for testing, they just did it anyway as a precaution. Given he didn't meet the typical criteria for testing, got tested any way and got his result back very quickly, it gives me hope that they have finally gotten rid of all the bottlenecks and we'll be able to ramp up testing.

I hope your dad's test came back negative.
So many critise the testing. They had to ramp up from a single lab to wide scale testing. Even Germany, whose seen as the best, took 4 weeks to scale up their testing.
I think if we keep the numbers steady (no massive demand for testing) it will give them 3 weeks to ramp up when the restrictions lift.

bunderoon · 13-04-2020 01:41AM

What I cant understand but not surprised at the amount of people that think that when we get one or two days figures that are below the previous day or two, that somehow we are at the top of the curve. They dont realise that besides that german tests, we dont know how slow or fast this ocean liner is turning until we have 1-2 weeks of change (in the same direction.....)

Mervyn Skidmore · 13-04-2020 01:42AM

Another "essential" public servant here. Just to let everyone know, my agency is operating a more limited service but we're open to the public every day and we're trying our very best to provide almost a full service. We're social distancing as best we can, lots of signs etc. Anyway, as usual we're still getting abuse, some things never change.

MipMap · 13-04-2020 01:42AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

The government here can control our economy, of course the rest of the world/every country economy is in for a **** storm.
Local businesses, hiring local people, selling local things etc... Are less affected to the worldwide economy than a large exporter depending on a certain country/industry for exporting.

You are right but we are always being told that we have an open economy, reliant on trade with the rest of the world.

If the exporters cannot export then their employers cannot pay them.
Unemployment sours and people cut back on what they buy from local businesses so they fold too.

This happened in 2008.

Micky 32 · 13-04-2020 01:43AM

bunderoon wrote: »

What I cant understand but not surprised at the amount of people that think that when we get one or two days figures that are below the previous day or two, that somehow we are at the top of the curve. They dont realise that besides that german tests, we dont know how slow or fast this ocean liner is turning until we have 1-2 weeks of change (in the same direction.....)

Either way people should be grateful that today only half the people died from the previous day.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:44AM

bunderoon wrote: »

What I cant understand but not surprised at the amount of people that think that when we get one or two days figures that are below the previous day or two, that somehow we are at the top of the curve. They dont realise that besides that german tests, we dont know how slow or fast this ocean liner is turning until we have 1-2 weeks of change (in the same direction.....)

Most people are looking at the hospitalized and ICU
Capacity as a guide. Both are on an downward trend, % wise. The new case figures depend on testing capacity and how old a certain test was taken

Micky 32 · 13-04-2020 01:45AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Most people are looking at the hospitalized and ICU
Capacity as a guide. Both are on an downward trend, % wise. The new case figures depend on testing capacity and how old a certain test was taken

Exactly but it falls on deaf ears.

10000maniacs · 13-04-2020 01:46AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Less deaths. 14. Less cases also.

The Easter skew.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:49AM

MipMap wrote: »

You are right but we are always being told that we have an open economy, reliant on trade with the rest of the world.

If the exporters cannot export then their employers cannot pay them.
Unemployment sours and people cut back on what they buy from local businesses so they fold too.

This happened in 2008.

Thats true. But if we never had a case or death and we're Corona free, we do export a lot, if those countrys are in lockdown and not buying, then despite everything here being normal, companies would still suffer.
So if the whole world is in lockdown, there's not much benefit for us at the moment to want to come out of it prematurely. I just think for some businesses that sell within Ireland, they would be eager to reopen ASAP

MipMap · 13-04-2020 01:53AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Thats true. But if we never had a case or death and we're Corona free, we do export a lot, if those countrys are in lockdown and not buying, then despite everything here being normal, companies would still suffer.
So if the whole world is in lockdown, there's not much benefit for us at the moment to want to come out of it prematurely. I just think for some businesses that sell within Ireland, they would be eager to reopen ASAP

Nobody disagrees that we have to get back to normal life. The only thing people seem to disagree with is the timing.

Maestro85 · 13-04-2020 01:54AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Thats true. But if we never had a case or death and we're Corona free, we do export a lot, if those countrys are in lockdown and not buying, then despite everything here being normal, companies would still suffer.
So if the whole world is in lockdown, there's not much benefit for us at the moment to want to come out of it prematurely. I just think for some businesses that sell within Ireland, they would be eager to reopen ASAP

It's all very intricate and I am no expert but everything is connected in some shape or way so there will be a fair bit of pain ahead. Tourism, hospitality will take a huge hit and as an offshoot all the various different elements such as supply and demand of products, good and services will have a know on effect in other areas. By May I hope we are in a position to restart the domestic economy and let exports, tourism and gradually adjust/restart in a slower but positive pace. So many unknowns though.

eagle eye · 13-04-2020 01:55AM

smelly sock wrote:

Absolutely not. Lockdown isnt going to be sustainable. A different approach will be needed asap. We need to get people focusing on that now.

No, we need to stay locked down until we have control of this thing. Otherwise it's going to be way worse than it has been already.
Greed and stupidity are the things standing in our way.
Lives are much more important than money or people being free to go where they like.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 01:55AM

China reports 108 new cases of coronavirus and 2 new deaths.

It's their highest number of reported new cases since March 6th.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 02:01AM

MipMap wrote: »

Nobody disagrees that we have to get back to normal life. The only thing people seem to disagree with is the timing.

I think nothing is going to be changed until the hospital and ICU capacity can take it. Then the question is what opens first etc...
Also what precautions are taken (fast testing, contact tracing, I'd also like to see masks being worn, obviously social distancing has to stay)
The other issue the public have to be made aware of is, if people get lazy and cases and ICU capacity increase too much, it's back to a lockdown. I think the government are now putting out the warnings about a second wave to make people aware of what is ahead

freshpopcorn · 13-04-2020 02:02AM

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MipMap · 13-04-2020 02:05AM

Here's a thing.
A guy was turned back by the Guards for driving from Kerry to Limerick to buy a Trampoline. This was BAD.

The folks beside me bought a trampoline online and had it delivered.
This was OK.
In the first case the guy was going to drive to a shop. Pay for it. Put in his car and go home.

In the second case it was going to be packed in the shop. Collected by a delivery guy.
Brought to a distribution center. Loaded to another van. Another Guy would deliver it to a hub etc. etc.

I'm not criticizing the rules. They are being made on the fly. This is what happens when you do things by the seat of your pants.

Micky 32 · 13-04-2020 02:06AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Someone i know in his 70’s used one of those phones up until last month. Still works perfectly :-)

MrMusician18 · 13-04-2020 02:07AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Hang on pal. My brother is frontline too. Ive had plenty of bad experiences in irish hospitals with both nurses and doctors. The people like myself who stay at home and watch Netflix will save thousamds of lives directly.

My mother was left in her own excrement for 3 hours while 5 nurses were at the station drinking tea. I had to ask 6 times for her to be looked after and the attitude was appalling. I really hope those people dont work in the hospitals anymore.

I fully respect the hard workers putting the hours in to look after the poorly but the system is ****e for mulitple reasons. Not just over admin or governance issue but frontline problems too

Covid 19 hasnt changed the fact the health service is shocking.

There is a tendency to lionise the entire front line which I think can be somewhat misplaced at times.

Covid gets all the headlines now, but to be honest, patients present with similarly life threatening conditions all the time - and are often not that well treated by the frontline. I wouldn't have believed it until my wife suddenly presented with a potential life threatening condition (she could've taken a turn at any point) and was left waiting 9 hours in A and E for the necessary medication. This was after being triaged as an emergency. Yes it was full and busy that night, but there was still time for the nurses to chat about the new years party the week before.

We also witnessed some appalling behaviour that night, but one incident that stood out was a doctor who chose to undermine a nurse in front of us all. It was completely unprofessional.

It might be unpopular now to say this but there are problems throughout the health service and the frontline is no exception.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 02:08AM

Meanwhile in Russia (which sent shoddy equipment to Italy for propaganda purposes)

The Kremlin said on Saturday a “huge influx” of coronavirus patients was beginning to put a strain on hospitals in Moscow as Russia’s death toll rose to more than 100, Reuters reports.

Moscow and many other regions have been in lockdown for nearly two weeks to stem the contagion, but hospitals in the capital are still being pushed to their limit, officials said.

On Saturday, a Reuters witness saw a tailback of dozens of ambulances queuing outside a hospital handling coronavirus cases in the region immediately outside Moscow, waiting to drop off patients.

One ambulance driver said he had been waiting 15 hours outside the hospital to drop off a patient suspected of having the virus.

“The situation in both Moscow and St. Petersburg, but mostly in Moscow, is quite tense because the number of sick people is growing,” Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in an interview on state television, Russian news agencies reported.

“There is a huge influx of patients. We are seeing hospitals in Moscow working extremely intensely, in heroic, emergency mode.”

Russia’s coronavirus crisis response centre said hospitals were taking all possible measures to ensure rapid admissions and that cases of ambulances needing to wait hours to drop off patients was not a systemic issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/13/coronavirus-live-news-global-cases-italy-new-york-death-tolls-slow-latest-updates

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The virus doesn't come for Putin, Putin comes for the virus.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 02:09AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I always think, what if it was WWII and like London and the blitz, we had to have blackout blinds at night.
Just takes one person to open the blind or have a nighttime BBQ for a bomber to see the light and flatten the town.
One person's action affects many!

owlbethere · 13-04-2020 02:11AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

That's brilliant.

cameramonkey · 13-04-2020 02:11AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

China reports 108 new cases of coronavirus and 2 new deaths.

It's their highest number of reported new cases since March 6th.

Do you believe them?

Quantum Erasure · 13-04-2020 02:12AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Exactly but it falls on deaf ears.

what's this now?

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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