Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

froog · 13-04-2020 12:34AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I took your post to mean that thousands of people die every year, and covid just adds a few more and hence no big deal.

My point was that Covid over runs the hospital and ICU beds if allowed to get of hand, and so it is a big deal.

you took my point wrong. i am in agreement with you.

growleaves · 13-04-2020 12:34AM

i've seen this bandied about quite a bit but no one seems to have any actual figures. if your basis for relaxing a lockdown to avoid recession related deaths you better be pretty damn sure of the maths.

You're basically assuming that statistical truth is the only valid expression of truth.

The IMF thinks this depression could be the worst since 1929. That means it will result in lots of deaths.

Also:

Please produce figures showing what effect mass incarceration of the population has on transmission rates of Covid-19 and on overall death rates.. oh wait, no such research exists.

Pinch Flat · 13-04-2020 12:34AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Yes.

Listen. I see your posts. I'll tell you as it is. My wife is front line in a dublin hospital. Saving peoples lives while you watch netlix. They're doing really well and to be frank I'd take exception to you seeing it as a third world health care system. Its a total insult to the dedicated staff. Yes it has its faults but this health system has been transformed over the past few weeks. Yes it was exposed by its lowest ICU beds but everyone has pulled together to avoid complete **** show. People hardworking day and night to ensure you and your family are safe while you watch Netflix. Lets show them some respect.

Tandey · 13-04-2020 12:35AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

If you have a mortgage of 1200 a month, you should be thinking about what if I get sick and can't pay this - maybe I should put some money away.

Did people not learn anything from the 08 crash seriously?

A single person paying a mortgage of over 1200 a month would be on in excess of 110k a year so I’d have no sympathy if they couldn’t afford their mortgage in a time like this.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 12:36AM

joe_99 wrote: »

I was putting some perspective on it in response to a post re countries worldwide. The virus has been killing people worldwide since Jan. Since Jan we have lost 334.

In March 2700 people died in Ireland

Only lost 334 so far.... Due to the restrictions, the forward planning of the government, HSE, the countless staff working unnamed in the background scaling up our response and also the public who for the most part have done everything asked of them and sacrificed alot of their daily lives to keep that number as 334

If not it most certainly would be much much higher. It's because of all those actions that's not. I was afraid people would see lower deaths as the government going overboard and not realise it's lower because of that fact.

Jeff2 · 13-04-2020 12:36AM

The people clapping in hospital that has a virus is redictualu. Clapping moves air.

Jenbach110 · 13-04-2020 12:37AM

Tandey wrote: »

A single person paying a mortgage of over 1200 a week would be on in excess of 110k a year so I’d have no sympathy if they couldn’t afford their mortgage in a time like this.

I think you have miscalculated your lack of sympathy

Ace2007 · 13-04-2020 12:39AM

smelly sock wrote: »

This is totally unforseen. People and the middle class in general are to the pin of their collar anyway.

No one forces anyone to get a mortgage, nor to buy a house in Dublin for that matter.

Whether it's foreseen or not is irrelevant - that's why it's a rainy day fund. You talk about bills to pay - ESB/GAS wont' be cut off for at least 6 months if your having issues paying, likewise your mortgage, pay what you can.

Ace2007 · 13-04-2020 12:39AM

Tandey wrote: »

A single person paying a mortgage of over 1200 a month would be on in excess of 110k a year so I’d have no sympathy if they couldn’t afford their mortgage in a time like this.

Exactly

Tandey · 13-04-2020 12:40AM

Jenbach110 wrote: »

I think you have miscalculated your lack of sympathy

Do tell me where I went wrong apart from the 1200 a week where I meant month.

joe_99 · 13-04-2020 12:41AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Only lost 334 so far.... Due to the restrictions, the forward planning of the government, HSE, the countless staff working unnamed in the background scaling up our response and also the public who for the most part have done everything asked of them and sacrificed alot of their daily lives to keep that number as 334

If not it most certainly would be much much higher. It's because of all those actions that's not. I was afraid people would see lower deaths as the government going overboard and not realise it's lower because of that fact.

100% agree

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 12:41AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Lets wisen up here. The restrictions should be eased.

smelly sock wrote: »

Its absolutely and over reaction to something which affects a tiny number of people in reality yet the measure imposed are indirectly destroying peoples lives.

#liftthelockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nqcgUDoV_M

Funsterdelux · 13-04-2020 12:44AM

Jeff2 wrote: »

The people clapping in hospital that has a virus is redictualu. Clapping moves air.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:45AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Listen. I see your posts. I'll tell you as it is. My wife is front line in a dublin hospital. Saving peoples lives while you watch netlix. They're doing really well and to be frank I'd take exception to you seeing it as a third world health care system. Its a total insult to the dedicated staff. Yes it has its faults but this health system has been transformed over the past few weeks. Yes it was exposed by its lowest ICU beds but everyone has pulled together to avoid complete **** show. People hardworking day and night to ensure you and your family are safe while you watch Netflix. Lets show them some respect.

Hang on pal. My brother is frontline too. Ive had plenty of bad experiences in irish hospitals with both nurses and doctors. The people like myself who stay at home and watch Netflix will save thousamds of lives directly.

My mother was left in her own excrement for 3 hours while 5 nurses were at the station drinking tea. I had to ask 6 times for her to be looked after and the attitude was appalling. I really hope those people dont work in the hospitals anymore.

I fully respect the hard workers putting the hours in to look after the poorly but the system is ****e for mulitple reasons. Not just over admin or governance issue but frontline problems too

Covid 19 hasnt changed the fact the health service is shocking.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 12:50AM

smelly sock wrote: »

My mother was left in her own excrement for 3 hours while 5 nurses were at the station drinking tea. I had to ask 6 times for her to be looked after and the attitude was appalling. I really hope those people dont work in the hospitals anymore.

I can well believe you.

But that stuff sadly happens in health services all over the world, not just here.

I hope you complained at the time.

Big problem is people don't complain there and then when they should.

eagle eye · 13-04-2020 12:51AM

Spencer Brown wrote:

Your exact words below. This is not a fact at all and only adds to the fear some people are feeling right now. In all likelihood they never fully recovered, these people were still in hospital being tested to see if they could be discharged.

But you don't know that. Nobody outside of Medical experts in South Korea know anything about it yet. I'll take their word over yours.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:52AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I can well believe you.

But that stuff sadly happens in health services all over the world, not just here.

I hope you complained at the time.

Big problem is people don't complain there and then when they should.

I did and fully agree with you.

Its a pitty that such a minority can leave such an impact.

Full respect for the hard working fontline and admin staff doing their best though.

froog · 13-04-2020 12:53AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Hang on pal. My brother is frontline too. Ive had plenty of bad experiences in irish hospitals with both nurses and doctors. The people like myself who stay at home and watch Netflix will save thousamds of lives directly.

My mother was left in her own excrement for 3 hours while 5 nurses were at the station drinking tea. I had to ask 6 times for her to be looked after and the attitude was appalling. I really hope those people dont work in the hospitals anymore.

I fully respect the hard workers putting the hours in to look after the poorly but the system is ****e for mulitple reasons. Not just over admin or governance issue but frontline problems too

Covid 19 hasnt changed the fact the health service is shocking.

so the health service is ****e and we should overflow it with corona patients? that seems to be the summary of your points.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:55AM

froog wrote: »

so the health service is ****e and we should overflow it with corona patients? that seems to be the summary of your points.

Absolutely not. Lockdown isnt going to be sustainable. A different approach will be needed asap. We need to get people focusing on that now.

MaureensFry · 13-04-2020 12:55AM

Tandey wrote: »

A single person paying a mortgage of over 1200 a month would be on in excess of 110k a year so I’d have no sympathy if they couldn’t afford their mortgage in a time like this.

Where are you pulling 110K a year from for a single person? A lot of people on half of this on 55k are paying 1200 a year.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:02AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Absolutely not. Lockdown isnt going to be sustainable. A different approach will be needed asap. We need to get people focusing on that now.

I think the government have been pretty open about the fact that endless lockdown is and never was their goal. They have stated that the lockdown was to stop the exponential growth to not have the health system overloaded. Once they find the balance (people being discharged from ICU at a higher rate than being admitted to) that's the plan.

This is going to be with us for the foreseeable future, but the plan is to have it so the health system can take it, while also provide regular healthcare and people, well most people can go back to work.
Don't expect your social life to be back to anything like normal anytime soon though.

Maestro85 · 13-04-2020 01:08AM

Sorry to be a pain in the arse but any major updates today? I was at work then conked when I came in the door so thought to ask here instead of the fear mongering news stations.

Tandey · 13-04-2020 01:08AM

MaureensFry wrote: »

Where are you pulling 110K a year from for a single person? A lot of people on half of this on 55k are paying 1200 a year.

How much of a mortgage did these people get on average?

Widdensushi · 13-04-2020 01:10AM

they ****ed up with a three week extension, they have been consistently saying it takes two weeks to see the results of any new measures and they turned around and extended the existing measures by three weeks. It would have been better to do it week by week, they would have more information to base the decision. Also it's easier to convince yourself, ok one more week than think at least three more weeks.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 01:12AM

Maestro85 wrote: »

Sorry to be a pain in the arse but any major updates today? I was at work then conked when I came in the door so thought to ask here instead of the fear mongering news stations.

Less deaths. 14. Less cases also.

Phoebas · 13-04-2020 01:12AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

they ****ed up with a three week extension, they have been consistently saying it takes two weeks to see the results of any new measures and they turned around and extended the existing measures by three weeks. It would have been better to do it week by week, they would have more information to base the decision. Also it's easier to convince yourself, ok one more week than think at least three more weeks.

What's the evidence for that?

castletownman · 13-04-2020 01:13AM

My cousin got tested early last week. Results came back negative by the weekend.

Which has me very encouraged that they have sped up the whole process, which I feel (with zero knowledge of how medical statistics work) should flatten and reduce the curve a lot quicker. If the curve isn't already flattened to some degree already.

Maestro85 · 13-04-2020 01:14AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Less deaths. 14. Less cases also.

Cheers Smelly Sock.

maebee · 13-04-2020 01:14AM

The Lidl checkout worker is as important as the infectious disease professor /QUOTE]

Agreed. Lidl worker probably more frontline than the infectious disease professor. Both doing fantastic work

Wolf359f · 13-04-2020 01:15AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

they ****ed up with a three week extension, they have been consistently saying it takes two weeks to see the results of any new measures and they turned around and extended the existing measures by three weeks. It would have been better to do it week by week, they would have more information to base the decision. Also it's easier to convince yourself, ok one more week than think at least three more weeks.

People were getting tired (after only a week) looking for an end date. An end date which if you ask any expert, they can't give. It's 2 weeks to see if the measures work and by that extent. Then possibly a week to see the curve flatten, that leaves 2 weeks to crush the curve as low as you can before easing restrictions.

Cases will rise once restrictions are eased, but starting from 25 new cases instead of 150 new cases gives you extra time and leeway.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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