Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Interesting but this report is more credible source and doesn't deal with notions about labs and all that, rather the cover up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEQcvcyzQGE

It's good to see programs like this being aired.

Just followed up on some of the stuff in the daily mail article and that documentary. Here's a paper from 2007 from one of the people who works in the lab Shi Zhengli.


I'm not a microbiologist so happy to be corrected on analysis. From the abstract you can tell a few things.

• they were editing sars like corona virus' from bats specifically editing them to include the spike protein to see if they could enter cells in the same way SARs can. (Via ACE2.)
• this person works at the lab in wuhan.
• SARS like corona virus' from bats were engineered to have spike protein for ACE2 reception.

Is that not bizarre?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11381746/china-hushed-up-bat-woman-coronavirus-expert/


https://jvi.asm.org/content/82/4/1899.short

Abstract

Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by the SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV), which uses angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) as its receptor for cell entry. A group of SARS-like CoVs (SL-CoVs) has been identified in horseshoe bats. SL-CoVs and SARS-CoVs share identical genome organizations and high sequence identities, with the main exception of the N terminus of the spike protein (S), known to be responsible for receptor binding in CoVs. In this study, we investigated the receptor usage of the SL-CoV S by combining a human immunodeficiency virus-based pseudovirus system with cell lines expressing the ACE2 molecules of human, civet, or horseshoe bat. In addition to full-length S of SL-CoV and SARS-CoV, a series of S chimeras was constructed by inserting different sequences of the SARS-CoV S into the SL-CoV S backbone. Several important observations were made from this study. First, the SL-CoV S was unable to use any of the three ACE2 molecules as its receptor. Second, the SARS-CoV S failed to enter cells expressing the bat ACE2. Third, the chimeric S covering the previously defined receptor-binding domain gained its ability to enter cells via human ACE2, albeit with different efficiencies for different constructs. Fourth, a minimal insert region (amino acids 310 to 518) was found to be sufficient to convert the SL-CoV S from non-ACE2 binding to human ACE2 binding, indicating that the SL-CoV S is largely compatible with SARS-CoV S protein both in structure and in function. The significance of these findings in relation to virus origin, virus recombination, and host switching is discussed.[/I]

spookwoman wrote: »

Sounds too much like those who keep saying the number of deaths are low because most are in nursing homes.
The USA counts nursing homes and they are below us in both % infected and mortality.

They are ahead of us on mortality. And in terms if the curve they are well behind IMO.

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Firstly, it's not ,a race or a competition. Secondly, the US isn't counting care homes or, worse again, those who die in their own homes. These comparisons are pointless at this stage.

Do you follow Trumps nightly comedy show?

It is definitely a competition to him, under 100000 official and he declares victory, because his actions brought it down from 2.2 Million.

So any deaths unrecorded are a bonus

caveat emptor wrote: »

Just followed up on some of the stuff in the daily mail article and that documentary. Here's a paper from 2007 from one of the people who works in the lab Shi Zhengli.


I'm not a microbiologist so happy to be corrected on analysis. From the abstract you can tell a few things.

• they were editing sars like corona virus' from bats specifically editing them to include the spike protein to see if they could enter cells in the same way SARs can. (Via ACE2.)
• this person works at the lab in wuhan.
• SARS like corona virus' from bats were engineered to have spike protein for ACE2 reception.

Is that not bizarre?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11381746/china-hushed-up-bat-woman-coronavirus-expert/


https://jvi.asm.org/content/82/4/1899.short

Caveat, it is just too soon for this I reckon. There are odd things for sure but it is too freaky. You are not the only person I have heard/read speculating this way, but people generally are not that open to receive this kind of speculation right now. I think it is worth keeping an open mind, for what its worth, but it is also disconcerting to do so.

Main thing is, it does not really matter where it came from. It is here now and needs dealing with. It is like that old story- if an arrow pierces you there is no point in wondering where it was made or even who shot you. You just gotta treat the wound.

And then, it is already wrecking everyone's heads enough, in various ways, that we have this feck of a yoke invisibly threatening us. To pile on top of that the possibility of a leak from a lab where scientists mess around with really dangerous viruses - which does really happen, for both peaceful and nefarious purposes- is just to add too much to the head wrecking. And that is without even going near that it could be deliberate. That would be a dystopian narrative too far.

There will be time when people will hopefully look into it. Very tricky it being the tightly controlled country of China. Still if it was a movie I know where I would be doing the investigative journalism on this! But for now it is too indecipherable, murky, freaky. Let's just accept bat peed on pangolin. Maybe that is true. And concentrate on the arrow wound. In some years people might say/know other things. After all it only took Bob Dylan 57 years to be singing about JFK
Well, this is the way I am dealing with the fukkiness of this blasted virus.