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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Look, I don't know why you want everyone to believe that old people aren't by far the most at risk category for this pandemic.
    Maybe you genuinely believe they aren't or maybe you are playing some weird point scoring game to sooth your ego.
    Whichever it is, you're wrong.
    To be accurate that cohort are those the most at risk of death, but more under 65 being hospitalised and even ICU'd. AFAIR

    The long term problem is that Wuhan figures suggest significant % of those hospitalized with COVID-19 end up with impaired lung function of sofar unknown duration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    spookwoman wrote: »
    triple checked
    LCtxkEi.png

    It still is comparing apples and oranges, as we include all Covid related deaths, others don't. Ours includes Care Homes and others don't. And we're all at different point in the cycle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭boardise


    Actually it's a simple enough matter of phrasing .

    So -when ,say, 14 deaths are announced ( where more might have been expected /feared)..and someone writes 'That's good news' - what they must be construed as saying is not ' It's good news that 14 people died ' but rather ' It's good news that ONLY 14 people died.'
    Surely that would be the normal interpretation that any sane reasonable person would apply.
    But not for some in this hyper-emoters' paradise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,510 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It still is comparing apples and oranges, as we include all Covid related deaths, others don't. Ours includes Care Homes and others don't. And we're all at different point in the cycle.

    How do you know we are including all Covid-19 related deaths? With the lack of testing done here I'm sure many have died and not been tested who could have died from Covid-19.

    And testing in this country is a complete joke so we are nowhere near knowing the infected figure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It still is comparing apples and oranges, as we include all Covid related deaths, others don't. Ours includes Care Homes and others don't. And we're all at different point in the cycle.

    I wish this was auto-posted every second post so people can stop ignoring it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    eagle eye wrote: »
    How do you know we are including all Covid-19 related deaths? With the lack of testing done here I'm sure many have died and not been tested who could have died from Covid-19.

    And testing in this country is a complete joke so we are nowhere near knowing the infected figure.

    I’m sure anyone with bad enough symptoms would present to a hospital where they would be tested as a priority.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,591 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    The should ban Sandwiches during this crisis. A nursing home favourite, can see why so many died.

    Pickup packet of bread, Now you have to take out the bread with hands that just touched the packet. Now you need to open fridge, a fridge handle many others have touched. Then take out whatever, Butter, Meat, Mustard, handle all those packets. The go to cutlery , open that drawer, a drawer many others have handled. Get your knife, and now butter that bread by holding it wit hands that have just touched many many surfaces, do same with Meat, and Mustard, and then present that Sandwich to Old Man Riley in no10 of the Nursing Home.

    Geez, it's a death wish. Me,, I'm on the pot noodle lol. Tear off foil, add germ killing boiling water, put that spoon into while it simmers. Then enjoy a germ free meal.

    Sandwiches need banning, no joke !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,510 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I’m sure anyone with bad enough symptoms would present to a hospital where they would be tested as a priority.

    So you are guessing and then telling people you are right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It still is comparing apples and oranges, as we include all Covid related deaths, others don't. Ours includes Care Homes and others don't. And we're all at different point in the cycle.

    USA have another 1000 deaths recorded already since that chart so are gone ahead of us.

    As you said everybody is using a different yardstick so it is hard to compare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Interesting but this report is more credible source and doesn't deal with notions about labs and all that, rather the cover up.



    It's good to see programs like this being aired.

    Just followed up on some of the stuff in the daily mail article and that documentary. Here's a paper from 2007 from one of the people who works in the lab Shi Zhengli.


    I'm not a microbiologist so happy to be corrected on analysis. From the abstract you can tell a few things.
    • they were editing sars like corona virus' from bats specifically editing them to include the spike protein to see if they could enter cells in the same way SARs can. (Via ACE2.)
    • this person works at the lab in wuhan.
    • SARS like corona virus' from bats were engineered to have spike protein for ACE2 reception.

    Is that not bizarre?

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11381746/china-hushed-up-bat-woman-coronavirus-expert/


    https://jvi.asm.org/content/82/4/1899.short
    Abstract

    Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by the SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV), which uses angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) as its receptor for cell entry. A group of SARS-like CoVs (SL-CoVs) has been identified in horseshoe bats. SL-CoVs and SARS-CoVs share identical genome organizations and high sequence identities, with the main exception of the N terminus of the spike protein (S), known to be responsible for receptor binding in CoVs. In this study, we investigated the receptor usage of the SL-CoV S by combining a human immunodeficiency virus-based pseudovirus system with cell lines expressing the ACE2 molecules of human, civet, or horseshoe bat. In addition to full-length S of SL-CoV and SARS-CoV, a series of S chimeras was constructed by inserting different sequences of the SARS-CoV S into the SL-CoV S backbone. Several important observations were made from this study. First, the SL-CoV S was unable to use any of the three ACE2 molecules as its receptor. Second, the SARS-CoV S failed to enter cells expressing the bat ACE2. Third, the chimeric S covering the previously defined receptor-binding domain gained its ability to enter cells via human ACE2, albeit with different efficiencies for different constructs. Fourth, a minimal insert region (amino acids 310 to 518) was found to be sufficient to convert the SL-CoV S from non-ACE2 binding to human ACE2 binding, indicating that the SL-CoV S is largely compatible with SARS-CoV S protein both in structure and in function. The significance of these findings in relation to virus origin, virus recombination, and host switching is discussed.[/I]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It still is comparing apples and oranges, as we include all Covid related deaths, others don't. Ours includes Care Homes and others don't. And we're all at different point in the cycle.
    would the amount of people needing hospitalization be a fair comparison


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,510 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    easypazz wrote: »
    USA have another 1000 deaths recorded already since that chart so are gone ahead of us.

    As you said everybody is using a different yardstick so it is hard to compare.

    And it's also a country with a population of 330 million people, not including illegal immigrants


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    cabin fever

    Don't call Debs a cabin fever, you ****ing **** ****


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    meh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Coyote


    Number updated to match today's reportI have included the total numbers reported today
    our % change of cases is closer to 4.8% for tests done in the last few days

    No Change in number
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    Slow Change
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    Big Drop in numbers
    509329.PNG





    interesting visualization of covid19
    http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    would the amount of people needing hospitalization be a fair comparison

    Not at all. Still omits too many parameters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    eagle eye wrote: »
    And it's also a country with a population of 330 million people, not including illegal immigrants

    Your eye isn't very eagle obviously;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Sean 18


    I wonder Is there any long term effects of the people who get it severely I find it hard to believe that they just suddenly recover and totally cured after coming off a ventilator after a few weeks and being in an induced coma


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,312 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Talisman wrote: »
    I would imagine not very many. My neighbour flew back from Germany on Friday morning, she said that there were only three passengers on the flight - herself and two work colleagues.

    And only two cars on the Holyhead-Dublin ferry yesterday (pic on Twitter).

    The 'lockdown now' people are convinced planes and ferries are full,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It still is comparing apples and oranges, as we include all Covid related deaths, others don't. Ours includes Care Homes and others don't. And we're all at different point in the cycle.

    Sounds too much like those who keep saying the number of deaths are low because most are in nursing homes.
    The USA counts nursing homes and they are below us in both % infected and mortality.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    FVP3 wrote: »
    You don't think people recover? A R0 of 1 means one person infects one other person. But the first person doesnt stay infected, they either recover or don't survive ( which is much less likely of course). A R0 of 1 isn't really an infectious disease any more.

    R0 of 1 means it is beaten. That said any opening of restrictions might ( and very possibly will) increase the the R0. The vaccine is the end game. Locking people up until the vaccine is not possible, but elderly people might have to.

    I don't see how you figure its beaten with a R0 of 1. If there are 500 new cases tomorrow each of those will infect 500 more. If it stays at R0 of 1, its 500 new cases over and over from the original 500 (every two weeks or so which is probably how long someone is infectious for).
    And thats just for one day. The numbers don't decay they stay the same. Overall numbers remain high though, hospital and icu admissions remain high and deaths remain high.

    The testing is all over the place. But if they could turn around tests in 48 hours we could see what the R0 was then.

    We have an R0 of 1 with a lockdown. If lockdown was lifted that would rise substantially.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Sounds too much like those who keep saying the number of deaths are low because most are in nursing homes.
    The USA counts nursing homes and they are below us in both % infected and mortality.

    They are ahead of us on mortality. And in terms if the curve they are well behind IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    easypazz wrote: »
    USA have another 1000 deaths recorded already since that chart so are gone ahead of us.

    As you said everybody is using a different yardstick so it is hard to compare.

    Lastes numbers just put in now no change ireland is still ahead
    pop infected deaths % infect % mort
    ireland 4,853,506 9655 334 0.199% 0.01% 0.00688%
    usa 327,167,434 553744 21816 0.169% 0.01% 0.00667%

    Sorry didn't see your last post ref curve


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Heard the Clayton on Pearse St is on lockdown
    There is no Clayton Hotel on Pearse St.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,764 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    There is no Clayton Hotel on Pearse St.

    :D An old joke from earlier threads!


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,274 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Speak Now wrote: »
    :D An old joke from earlier threads!

    Funny thinking back on those early threads, seem a life time ago now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Sounds too much like those who keep saying the number of deaths are low because most are in nursing homes.
    The USA counts nursing homes and they are below us in both % infected and mortality.

    No they don’t. It was reported literally yesterday that the States aren’t tracking deaths in nursing homes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,070 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Matt Damon is stuck in Ireland apparently

    https://twitter.com/jillydowney/status/1248964572289159168

    Jason Bourne in Dublin

    Q0CuEJU.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    pc7 wrote: »
    Funny thinking back on those early threads, seem a life time ago now.

    Simpler times


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Lastes numbers just put in now no change ireland is still ahead
    pop infected deaths % infect % mort
    ireland 4,853,506 9655 334 0.199% 0.01% 0.00688%
    usa 327,167,434 553744 21816 0.169% 0.01% 0.00667%

    Sorry didn't see your last post ref curve

    Firstly, it's not a race or a competition. Secondly, the US isn't counting care homes or, worse again, those who die in their own homes. These comparisons are pointless at this stage.


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