Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

easypazz · 12-04-2020 06:22PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

No.

Nothing about this ****ty disease makes me happy.

Every day many people are fighting for there lives in Ireland due to COVID19.

These people fight and die alone. I won’t celebrate that mate.

It could be a lot worse though, and we need to look at the overall picture, like if it got really bad then other things like cancer screening etc. start to be forgotten about and people will die anyway.

We have 11000 extra people on hospital waiting lists now.

A lot of people out of work etc.

Potentially a lot of mental health issues ahead of us, suicide etc.

But lots of people don't want to consider any of this.

Micky 32 · 12-04-2020 06:23PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

No.

Nothing about this ****ty disease makes me happy.

Every day many people are fighting for there lives in Ireland due to COVID19.

These people fight and die alone. I won’t celebrate that mate.

A lot of people on this forum including myself were expecting between 30 -40 deaths today. I find it disturbing that you don’t seem bothered that at least 15 people you thought were going to die alone didn’t die today. Give over....

FVP3 · 12-04-2020 06:23PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

How can you possible know what I hope. Why the fvck who I want something so horrific to be true. jog on.

You have form. I have debunked your points with the science. This type of virus doesn't have the markers of a lab made one. I've heard conspiracies about the US introducing it as well, which would make more sense in terms of warfare, but thats also debunked by science.

Did you think you could post insane conspiracy theories and we all would go "Oh yeh. Fair play."

spookwoman · 12-04-2020 06:24PM

Finally got the population mortality done and not looking good for us. The numbers are based on 2018 population for each country up to the 11/04/2020

expectationlost · 12-04-2020 06:24PM

https://twitter.com/lostexpectation/status/1249402923114795009

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 12-04-2020 06:24PM

mariaalice wrote: »

They had a man aged 45 with no underlying health conditions on the news he was from Cork he had to be put in an induced coma because of Covid 19. Maybe this Will get the message across that it is not just old people.

I think induced coma is part of being on ventilation. Which is still serious, of course.

owlbethere · 12-04-2020 06:25PM

syngindub wrote: »

Will the trumpster have a press conference today?

That's very clever what you did with his name.

Trumpster/dumpster

Quantum Erasure · 12-04-2020 06:25PM

is there a trace of cabin fever setting in...?

Jim_Hodge · 12-04-2020 06:25PM

lbj666 wrote: »

Fridays presser, he said that infections that originated from NHs but died in hospital were nursing home deaths,

Off topic I know but....when did this "presser" nonsense creep in?

igCorcaigh · 12-04-2020 06:26PM

bekker wrote: »

Please provide some evidence (sources) for your assertions, infectivity of those who recover, R0=1 means it's beaten, likelihood of a COVID-19 vaccine.

Bekker, the point about an R0 below one is a mathematical one, as it changes exponential growth to exponential decay. It can be modelled very easily in an Excel spreadsheet.

easypazz · 12-04-2020 06:26PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

A lot of people on this forum including myself were expecting between 30 -40 deaths today. I find it disturbing that you don’t seem bothered that at least 15 people you thought were going to die alone didn’t die today. Give over....

Some lads are still hoping for peaks, surges and scary graphs this coming week.

caveat emptor · 12-04-2020 06:26PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yeah, is it not still possible though that the virus did exist in a lab without being engineered?

I just don't know enough about it.

Yeah leaving out the bioengineering there are some mighty coincidences.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211257/Wuhan-lab-performing-experiments-bats-coronavirus-caves.html

Wuhan lab was performing coronavirus experiments on bats from the caves where the disease is believed to have originated - with a £3m grant from the US

The laboratory at the centre of scrutiny over the pandemic has been carrying out research on bats from the cave which scientists believe is the original source of the devastating outbreak.

Documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday show the Wuhan Institute of Virology undertook coronavirus experiments on mammals captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan – funded by a $3.7 million grant from the US government.

Sequencing of the Covid-19 genome has traced it to bats found in Yunnan's caves.

joe_99 · 12-04-2020 06:28PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1249386740340731904?s=19

https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1249387282295029760?s=19

Hospitalisation and ICU percentages, this shows that the measures taken prior to implementing the current restrictions are working, I'd expect to see the current restrictions reflected more towards the end of this week in the numbers. ICU numbers are very steady and that's a huge positive.

People can argue all they want about testing, testing doesn't make much of a difference in these numbers, your isolating as soon as you show a symptom regardless of a positive or negative test result and regardless if it takes 5 days or 15 days to get that result. If your in a bad way your admitted to hospital.

Very positive trends. Thanks for sharing.

Quantum Erasure · 12-04-2020 06:29PM

easypazz wrote: »

Some lads are still hoping for peaks, surges and scary graphs this coming week.

not hoping, but we're not blind either...

amadangomor · 12-04-2020 06:30PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Finally got the population mortality done and not looking good for us. The numbers are based on 2018 population for each country up to the 11/04/2020

What's the story with the Togo figures? Surely they couldn't have tested that many people. Something wrong with the figures?

lbj666 · 12-04-2020 06:30PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Finally got the population mortality done and not looking good for us. The numbers are based on 2018 population for each country up to the 11/04/2020

There was endless talk about our rank in this thread and it has to be taking within a level of scrutiny. The definition of a covid death is different in every country. Some dont count deaths where covid was not the primary reason, some have been slow to tally nursing home figures, some have been hospital only.
We are counting everyone nearly , nursing home , in hospital , primary reason or not.

easypazz · 12-04-2020 06:30PM

joe_99 wrote: »

Very positive trends. Thanks for sharing.

Won't suit a lot on here.

Duke of Url · 12-04-2020 06:30PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

A lot of people on this forum including myself were expecting between 30 -40 deaths today. I find it disturbing that you don’t seem bothered that at least 15 people you thought were going to die alone didn’t die today. Give over....

As I said. Stats removes emotions. You can celebrate numbers.

I won’t celebrate lives lost.

Hobgoblin11 · 12-04-2020 06:31PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If any country had the daily new cases we have, and the daily deaths we have they'd be open for business in a flash. So it begs the question what do we need to see for us to reopen, as I believe we could see 350 new cases a day for next 20 years, so where does it end

you clearly have never heard of the curve and flattening it

spookwoman · 12-04-2020 06:31PM

amadangomor wrote: »

What's the story with the Togo figures? Surely they couldn't have tested that many people. Something wrong with the figures?

thanks need a 2nd set of eyees

wakka12 · 12-04-2020 06:32PM

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/04/3a9aebe957d2-tokyo-sees-total-coronavirus-infection-cases-top-2000-up-by-166.html

The province of Hokkaido in Japan has reactivated it's state of emergency which was relaxed just a few weeks ago at the start of March.

Tokyo has also broken it's highest daily total for new cases the last 4 days in a row.

12-04-2020 06:33PM

political analyst wrote: »

Laura Perrins (née McGowan), co-founder of the website The Conservative Woman, tweeted earlier today:

Same type that would use free labour, sorry jobsbridge candidates in their businesses.

Micky 32 · 12-04-2020 06:33PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

not hoping, but we're not blind either...

Blind or not there will be no scary graphs this week

easypazz · 12-04-2020 06:33PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

As I said. Stats removes emotions. You can celebrate numbers.

I won’t celebrate lives lost.

Will you celebrate lives saved?

Micky 32 · 12-04-2020 06:35PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

As I said. Stats removes emotions. You can celebrate numbers.

I won’t celebrate lives lost.

So celebrate the lives that you thought were going to die that didn’t. You are too focused on doom and gloom going by your posts IMO

Just Saying · 12-04-2020 06:35PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

If Tony Holohan said 54% of our deaths were nursing home cases, would those nursing home residents who were moved to hospital prior to dying be classed as part of that 54% NH deaths, or would they go down as hospital deaths?

70% of deaths occured in a hospital environment...200 out of 288 were the figures at the time I think.This would mean that those nursing home residents who were moved to hospital prior to their passing are recorded as hospital deaths.

Equally it means that for varying reasons 30 % of our deaths occured outside the hospital environment of which I imagine the majority are in nursing homes.

An interesting side note is that this would indicate the UK death figure at present is only 70% roughly of what it would be if they were using our method to record deaths.

RioM · 12-04-2020 06:36PM

Drive by and garden parties at a social distance.

Is it just me or does anyone else think Rte news and social media promoting this is seriously irresponsible. Stay at home.. Means stay at home!! On this evening's news this old couple were celebrating their wedding anniversary with lots of callers to their front door dropping off presents.

caveat emptor · 12-04-2020 06:36PM

FVP3 wrote: »

You have form. I have debunked your points with the science. This type of virus doesn't have the markers of a lab made one. I've heard conspiracies about the US introducing it as well, which would make more sense in terms of warfare, but thats also debunked by science.

Did you think you could post insane conspiracy theories and we all would go "Oh yeh. Fair play."

What are you on about? I've linked a source. You must be some scientist. I'm not saying anything either way. I think it's unlikely it was bioengineered. I do however think it was released from the lab. Occam's razor and all.

Very strange that the lab was studying the exact same strains of virus from bat's that it is thought to originate.

Read the article oh high and mighty one.

Let me debunk something you just wrote.

A R0 of 1 is pretty much there. = Not true.

If R0 equals 1, each existing infection causes one new infection. The disease will stay alive and stable, but there won’t be an outbreak or an epidemic.

Don't spread false hope. We are not there yet.

https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number#rsubsubvalues

bekker · 12-04-2020 06:37PM

FVP3 wrote: »

I have to explain simple mathematics? If you don't understand this stuff then please look it up.

I understand mathematics well enough but you made a series of assumptions.

You don't appear to grasp that r0=1, does not mean end of spread this as apparently extremely infectious so r0 can rise again from that level, Wuhan r0 was down to 0.6 before restrictions relaxed (if suspicious of China) then Irish experts have said same on RTE either R0 of 0.6 or 0.4 AFAIR.

What evidence of non-infectivity? Some reports of it in recovered after 8 weeks, no investigations to date have yielded such evidence of absence and probably canot for at least a few months yet.

What evidence to likelihood of COVID-19 vaccine? Growing suggestions amongst virologists that one may not be possible.

easypazz · 12-04-2020 06:37PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

So celebrate the lives that you thought were going to die that didn’t. You are too focused on doom and gloom going by your posts IMO

That's beyond them

"One life lost is too many" is their mantra.

No credit at all to the front line staff, all the people from truck drivers to shelf stackers to pilots to Gardai who are pitching in.

No thanks to all the people who are "Staying at Home"

No thanks or positivity towards anybody.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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