Everything will change after Coronavirus

What i envisage changing

If you can currently do your job from home now, any time in future that you get a cold, you will be asked to work from home instead of going to the office, gone will be the day "ah sure there is a cold going from the office"

Companies will reduce office space and introduce hot desking - and in turn more cleaning services - to ensure each desk and equipment is cleaned nightly.

More people will live in commuter areas and work from home 2/3 days a week, if not more - this will reduce traffic and rent pressures in Dublin.

There may be less coffee shops on every corner, as less people coming into city to work etc.

Gyms could be badly affected - purely based on the type of environment - will we see growth of smaller gyms, and decline of the big commercial gyms?

Any events, concerts, matches etc are going to take time before full capacity is reach again.

What i would like to see is more people actually saving for that rainy day - but if you have been through the 08 crash and still haven't saved - i doubt going through this crisis will help change your mind either.

JL555 wrote: »

We live in a capitalist society, socialism and communism do not work, check the history books, the other alternative is to go and live in complete isolation in the Amazon or some other rainforest and see how that utopia works out

What makes people think capitalism is working? It's just hoovering up the planets resources and polluting and destroying everything. It's a ticking timebomb that can only end in war and devastation. The planet is finite but we don't treat it that way.
I hope this prompts us to make even a few changes to the norm.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

When somebody comes up with a better system, we'll all gladly change. Theres nothing left of the aisle or that involves redistribution of wealth thats better.

Higher taxes and better distribution of wealth, I'm sure you'd be a big fan of this.
I would be happier with less money and things for a happier healthier society that treats the planet better.

pgj2015 wrote: »

I have heard a few people saying that the result will be the poor taking back from the rich. I hate this way of thinking. i am not rich but the goal is to be rich, that is why i work 7 days a week. the people i heard talking about this taking from the rich, were lazy stoners who never worked a day in their life. i hate this kind of leftist thinking.

id rather be dead than live in a world were the lazy people with no ambition have as much as hard working people who contribute to society.

What about people that work hard and still have nothing. Yad swear hard work automatically results prosperity.

Ace2007 wrote: »

What i would like to see is more people actually saving for that rainy day - but if you have been through the 08 crash and still haven't saved - i doubt going through this crisis will help change your mind either.

Save what? Any savings I had by the time 2008 happened were wiped out making it through that, and I haven't been able to get anywhere close to that together since.

After the last recession an awful lot of people either had to restart their careers from zero or watch their wages stagnate or recede permanently. The cost of living didn't nosedive, but job security, benefits etc did and now that's taken for granted. People were in far more precarious employment situations heading into this thanks to the normalisation of ****ing around with hourly work contracts or full time "contractors" in jobs that used to have pensions. People were just glad to have jobs again after 2008, and the consequences of that are going to be felt in a big way when the C19 payments stop coming and we really have to take stock.

Same generation who've been rent trapped, and are now sharing in situations that make the advice about isolating redundant. They weren't buying patio heaters and pizza ovens or two beds off plan and on pyrite - that wasn't even an option in the first place. The extravagance that's associated with the Tiger years hasn't been a feature for the last few, not because we're all much more sensible, but because people never came back to having any disposable income to speak of. Few nights out and maybe a holiday a year doesn't translate into a house deposit or an emergency fund to fall back on for weeks or months.

They didn’t get used to living from payday to payday by choice, they had to. Once the bills are paid, where's the money for saving? I would argue we are, in many ways, far worse off to weather a recession this time than we were then. Even people in negative equity then had roofs over their heads. Even people in ****e zero hour retail jobs had jobs. Everything's far more fragile this time around.

Arghus wrote: »

Things won't be same after this.

Governments across the world are spending billions upon billions to fight this and at the same time economies are retracting at a furious rate that has never been seen before in history.

This is going to have a profound effect on economic, monetary and social policy across the entire globe, even if it all ends quicker than could otherwise be expected. To think otherwise is be oblivious to reality.

Would it be possible that human nature will kick start the economies again ( maybe I'm being silly here) but after a worldwide 'pause' from life people the world over will have a built up desire to go back to the life they knew and now crave?

Yes there will of course be casualties but I think that the 'restart' ( allbeit a gradual one) will be sufficient to get things moving again and as I reckon, human nature will be the spark to do so.

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Well said. "Equality" really means tyranny because to have equality of any kind you have to suppress (forcefully) those who work hard, have talent and show initiative and reward the lazy and spiteful in society.



A leftist society, or an equal society as they themselves describe it, would be a living nightmare.

I lived in one for many years-Sweden and it's far from a living nightmare I assure you. The standard of living for most people there is higher than here because of a far more equal distribution of wealth and high taxes.

Even the hardline state communist GDR where my partner grew up had it's advantages he admits and he had a happy life there, even if he wouldn't go back to it.

And "leftist" is a meaningless word when left wing politics encompasses everything from social democracy to anarchism.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

When somebody comes up with a better system, we'll all gladly change. Theres nothing left of the aisle or that involves redistribution of wealth thats better.

Here ya go. Not saying it's better, but worth examining.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacque_Fresco#The_Venus_Project_and_later_career

I don't think well all "gladly change" to any alternative though. Too many powerful vested interests in the current system for any other system to get a chance.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Higher taxes and better distribution of wealth, I'm sure you'd be a big fan of this.
I would be happier with less money and things for a happier healthier society that treats the planet better.

Depends entirely on that the higher taxes are used for. In any case, higher taxes will only work if directed at the super wealthy.

TuringBot47 wrote: »

You are responsible for your own life after you turn 18.
How many years have you wasted since then NOT improving yourself and your career prospects?
What courses did you take, what qualifications did you acquire, what experience and promotions did you earn through hard work?

What's stopping you taking up coding?
You'll actually find that anyone above manager grade in a software house hasn't written a line of code in a long while.

You should thank the people who are successful now, they're paying your dole and will do so for a long time.

None of that is nessecarily true and the situation you born into and rasied up in before you turn 18 will have a massive influence on what happens after. Plenty of "successful" people out there who have nevefr done a day's work in their lives. Plenty of "unsucceesful" people who have worked hard in essential jobs and been driven by things other than money.

This idea that wealth is a measurement of success or contributions to scoiety is incredibly niave.

Blueshoe wrote: »

What was your remaining income after the government put it's hand in your pocket to run the welfare state?

Sounds like a miserable place where laziness is rewarded with handouts and entrepreneurship and hardwork is punished with high taxes

There will always be a few people who take the p*ss but generally it would work out well with helping a more equal society. I know we have Mags Cash etc here in Ireland but I'm still glad my taxes pay for a decent enough social welfare system, it's something to be proud of.

TuringBot47 wrote: »

In the real world, there are menial unskilled jobs which anybody can do.
They won't command high wages, nor should they.

Why not? They're high risk, physically hard jobs at the best of times. Right now they're considered so important as to be essential to the running of society unlike, for example, a far higher paid HR consultant who gets to stay home with no work to do and full pay.