Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

tobefrank321 · 12-04-2020 08:37AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

It’s just typical Irish reaction. Ah Shur we’ll go through the motions and make it look like were doing a great job. Guards leaning in to drivers windows should be a no no.

I think we are gone well past the contact tracing stage and it’s ridiculous how can you contact trace the 500 plus positive results that came back from Germany ten day after the test was carried out ?

How many people have these people been in contact with through work or supermarkets etc.

We need another plan - Stepping up testing is fine but not worth a jog if these results take 7-10 days to get results

That’s just going to mean a rolling two weeks extension on our current restrictions.

We’re never going to get ahead if we stay behind!!

There is no value contact tracing the German positives from the backlog.

Only a complete idiot would do this. Why waste precious resources contact tracing someone from 3 or 4 weeks ago when they are now either cured, in hospital, or tested positive themselves.

Far better to contact trace on latest positives as you have some chance of being up to date and not wasting resources.

But Harris I believe said they will start contact tracing the German positives from the backlog. You couldn' make this nonsense up.

Successful contact tracing depends on efficient testing. Our testing has been a shambles. It thus follows our contact tracing is also a shambles.

The whole testing is a shambles carried out for PR reasons only. Much like when Harris said every woman in Ireland should get a smear test as a result of that crises. That ended up overwhelming the system. Another PR exercise that ended in disaster.

MarkY91 · 12-04-2020 08:39AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

It’s just typical Irish reaction. Ah Shur we’ll go through the motions and make it look like were doing a great job. Guards leaning in to drivers windows should be a no no.

I think we are gone well past the contact tracing stage and it’s ridiculous how can you contact trace the 500 plus positive results that came back from Germany ten day after the test was carried out ?

How many people have these people been in contact with through work or supermarkets etc.

We need another plan - Stepping up testing is fine but not worth a jot if these results take 7-10 days to get results

That’s just going to mean a rolling two weeks extension on our current restrictions.

We’re never going to get ahead if we stay behind!!

I saw a guard leaning into a window last week. No more than two foot from the passenger seat Persian face. I was in shock.

I posted it the day I saw it but basically got told I was telling lies. Glad other people are seeing how dumb some people in authority are.

Achasanai · 12-04-2020 08:40AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Not sure what she doesn't understand. Uk went down herd immunity route and allowed big soccer games and Cheltenham go ahead. Those decisions account for their high numbers. They don't even incluse those who die in nursing homes or at home. In reality there's probably close to 2 million cases in the UK going by a 1% fatality rate.

She understands all that (even mentions Cheltenham and a Stereophonics gig in Cardiff) her point is that the UK press isn't picking up on this.

12-04-2020 08:41AM

Achasanai wrote: »

She understands all that (even mentions Cheltenham and a Stereophonics gig in Cardiff) her point is that the UK press isn't picking up on this.

Sterophonics gig is interesting....iirc south wales was a particular hotspot for coronavirus last few weeks

shinzon · 12-04-2020 08:43AM

A trampoline an essential item

Where in the world is bouncing up and down in place in your garden considered essential that you have to go and buy a trampoline

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Shin

Discodog · 12-04-2020 08:45AM

Mwengwe wrote: »

I do find this increasingly noteworthy - we've had loads of TFL deaths in the UK, bus driver deaths in America etc. But can't remember reading anything about supermarket workers even getting sick in notable numbers, never mind dying. It's weird, they're the busiest places at the moment.

I agree & they should be tested. One "super spreader" supermarket worker could infect a lot of people. It's even stranger given how slow they were to implement safety measures. But are people's occupations being published ?

JRant · 12-04-2020 08:45AM

sideswipe wrote: »

You are missing the point- this is about a United front, all shoulders to the wheel to reduce the risk of infection, flatten the curve and get back to some form of normality earlier.
One lad decides a trampoline is essential and drives to another county, longer journey more chance of having an accident ete etc.
Somebody else decides a new puppy is essential and drives twice as far to answer a done deal ad. Somebody else thinks I haven’t seen my parents down in cork for 5 weeks sure I’ll go for a spin and stand in the garden for a chat. All of a sudden you have lots of people not putting their shoulder to the wheel the risks of invention, road accidents etc increase and we end up taking longer to get where we need to be as a country.

It very much is a United front and it's fantastic to see the vast majority of people respecting the restrictions. However, that United front needs to be just that. We can't have the current ludicrous situation whereby people are told to stay at home for fear of fines/imprisonment and yet allow people to fly or sail into the country willy nilly. It completely undermines everyone else's efforts. Now some argue that the numbers are small. How small is an unknown because they won't tell us but it's the optics of it that grinds my gears and I can't imagine I'm alone in that.

Away With The Fairies · 12-04-2020 08:45AM

MarkY91 wrote: »

I saw a guard leaning into a window last week. No more than two foot from the passenger seat Persian face. I was in shock.

I posted it the day I saw it but basically got told I was telling lies. Glad other people are seeing how dumb some people in authority are.

They have so much interaction with people, they themselves can pick up the virus and spread it on to every car they stop.

Gynoid · 12-04-2020 08:46AM

JTMan wrote: »

The WSJ are reporting here on the massive food shortages in India due to the lockdown. Really sad and worrying. Perhaps the Indian lockdown needs to change.

- Stores say some basics such as eggs, yogurt and cooking oil are increasingly hard to find.
- Farmers in India’s breadbasket are about to harvest the wheat crop. But their seasonal helpers aren’t showing up, and the few truckers willing to work are unable to buy food on the road and are getting harassed by police.
- Bigger problems ahead if things don’t return to normal in the coming month.
- People who move the essentials from farm to fork aren’t showing up for work.
- “There are so many human interventions in the Indian supply chain" that all is takes is a few not to go to work for serious food supply issues.
- Much of the labor force is spooked and doesn’t want to come to work even if they are allowed.
- While most farms are small, many still require seasonal help during harvest, often from other Indian states or even Nepal. Fear and travel restrictions are keeping the help home. (Similar issues with immigrant labour on farms not arriving in part of Europe).

This is happening in the UK also, to some extent at least. Goes to show how much the big companies depended on cheap migrant labour from Europe. Even though 10000 have signed up to a land army I was saying to himself last week they will get a bit of a land alright. I worked in that fruit harvesting area with migrants back in the day and the speed at which people work is astonishing. It is back breaking stuff. You would be shattered. A lot of the volunteer chaps and lassies rocking up in their tracksuits for their first give it a whirl gig in the fields and orchards will nearly be more of an anoyance to the producers than a help.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/25/uk-farmers-fear-huge-labour-shortfall-despite-interest-in-land-army

optogirl · 12-04-2020 08:46AM

shinzon wrote: »

Where in the world is bouncing up and down in place in your garden considered essential that you have to go and buy a trampoline

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Shin

If you have a child that is missing Occupational Therapy at the moment.

JRant · 12-04-2020 08:50AM

Phoebas wrote: »

That's fantastic news to wake up to on an Easter Sunday morning.

I might just go back to bed for another hour before I have to face reality.

Thought I'd bring a bit of cheerful spread on a rainy Easter Sunday morning

In all seriousness though, this will pass and life will get back to normal. Probably far quicker than some of the neurotic folks think and a bit slower than some of the more laissez fair types believe.

blackcard · 12-04-2020 08:53AM

Seamai wrote: »

For a trampoline?

I would say that he just wanted to be able to check that his neighbours weren't going more than 2 km from their homes. Solid citizen.

Boggles · 12-04-2020 08:53AM

optogirl wrote: »

If you have a child that is missing Occupational Therapy at the moment.

Plenty other things a child can do.

Giving them Covid 19 because you saw a cracking deal on done deal is not therapy, it's wreckless stupidity.

shinzon · 12-04-2020 08:55AM

optogirl wrote: »

If you have a child that is missing Occupational Therapy at the moment.

Fair enough I stand corrected there, however theres still a trade off of whether you take the risk of getting infected and bringing the virus into your home which could lead to something far more serious or staying put and safe as you can.

A justification can be made for any journey but at the end of the day is it worth the risk. In the end I don't think so do you.

Shin

whisky_galore · 12-04-2020 08:56AM

optogirl wrote: »

If you have a child that is missing Occupational Therapy at the moment.

Is that what they have for OT, a sh1t load of trampolines?

optogirl · 12-04-2020 08:56AM

Boggles wrote: »

Plenty other things a child can do.

Giving them Covid 19 because you saw a cracking deal on done deal is not therapy, it's wreckless stupidity.

Again nobody knows how this transaction happened. No more dangerous than going to the supermarket or receiving a package. In fact probably much less risky. Pay online, collect item, disinfect it. I really don't see what the big hoo-ha is.

optogirl · 12-04-2020 08:59AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Is that what they have for OT, a sh1t load of trampolines?

? Nobody said anything like that but the type of sensory and muscular input that trampolines provide would be part of some OT sessions

Pitch n Putt · 12-04-2020 09:00AM

MarkY91 wrote: »

I saw a guard leaning into a window last week. No more than two foot from the passenger seat Persian face. I was in shock.

I posted it the day I saw it but basically got told I was telling lies. Glad other people are seeing how dumb some people in authority are.

The proper procedure would be to leave the window down enough to pass a piece of paper through it but don’t obviously let the guard hold your essential letters :rolleyes:

Yes the guard wears gloves but how many other letters have they handled then handed back at each check point. They don’t change gloves after every car which obviously wouldn’t be practical.

Guard should kneel to speak to people with the car window acting like a shield that we see now in most supermarkets etc.

Some guards probably take a bit of offence if you don’t fully roll down your window for the interaction but they must realise that the spread can work both ways and they should protect themselves as well as the public.

BanditLuke · 12-04-2020 09:00AM

doylefe wrote: »

Clearly the restrictions are needlessly draconian, and arbitrary. No difference driving to your closest supermarket vs driving a longer distance.

Nobody has defined what essential items are. Maybe a trampoline is essential to this man.

When you go grocery shopping, are you only putting essential items in your basket? I doubt it.

I heard tampolines are more useful than ventilators. Read it on WhatApp so must be true.

emo72 · 12-04-2020 09:00AM

People still going on about the trampoline? Not much news was there?

petes · 12-04-2020 09:02AM

An unnecessary journey is just that, unnecessary.

Say on your unnecessary journey you have an accident, emergency services are called, taken to hospital etc. putting unnecessary strain on hospitals.

**** me there are some stupid ****ers out there that dont understand this.

Away With The Fairies · 12-04-2020 09:03AM

optogirl wrote: »

Again nobody knows how this transaction happened. No more dangerous than going to the supermarket or receiving a package. In fact probably much less risky. Pay online, collect item, disinfect it. I really don't see what the big hoo-ha is.

Somebody that can ignore the restrictions (and for a trampoline) probably doesn't really care about picking up the virus in the first place. Fair enough if people actually want to catch it but I wouldn't trust these types of people to self isolate either. They would be the type out in the shops and posting letters (which has actually happened).

You just cannot make excuses or exceptions. I just don't understand stupidity.

FortuneChip · 12-04-2020 09:03AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I heard tampolines are more useful than ventilators. Read it on WhatApp so must be true.

Mental Wellness.

smelly sock · 12-04-2020 09:03AM

Trampolines are essential to children with special needs like autism. I guarantee you that.

JRant · 12-04-2020 09:05AM

optogirl wrote: »

Again nobody knows how this transaction happened. No more dangerous than going to the supermarket or receiving a package. In fact probably much less risky. Pay online, collect item, disinfect it. I really don't see what the big hoo-ha is.

Again, it's all about optics. Catch some lad who is trying to get something for his family and make an example of him. Plaster it all over social media and let it be known that they are watching us. People need to be cut a little slack. These laws have been in place for a few days now. We never had such restrictions placed on our movement before and it takes time for people to adjust.

BanditLuke · 12-04-2020 09:05AM

optogirl wrote: »

? Nobody said anything like that but the type of sensory and muscular input that trampolines provide would be part of some OT sessions

Tomorrow on boards.ie Read about the woman who drove 240klms round trip to pick up a vibrator because of the sensory and muscular input it provides.

Essential shopping Irish style.

optogirl · 12-04-2020 09:05AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Somebody that can ignore the restrictions (and for a trampoline) probably doesn't really care about picking up the virus in the first place. Fair enough if people actually want to catch it but I wouldn't trust these types of people to self isolate either. They would be the type out in the shops and posting letters (which has actually happened).

You just cannot make excuses or exceptions. I just don't understand stupidity.

Posting letters? Sure didn't An Post provide us all with postcards in order to do just that. Theres no restrictions on using the postal service is there?

Away With The Fairies · 12-04-2020 09:08AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Trampolines are essential to children with special needs like autism. I guarantee you that.

Shouldn't they already have a trampoline so?

Sounds more like bored kids at home.

shinzon · 12-04-2020 09:08AM

optogirl wrote: »

Again nobody knows how this transaction happened. No more dangerous than going to the supermarket or receiving a package. In fact probably much less risky. Pay online, collect item, disinfect it. I really don't see what the big hoo-ha is.

1) He travelled outside the 2km zone

2) Could have had an accident on the way unnecessary journey put a strain on the health service

3) Risk of infection from the person he bought the trampoline from, no symptoms for 14 days happily goes about his business transferring the virus to other people

4) Could be asymptomatic hence passing the virus anyways

That's what the big hoo ha is

Shin

smelly sock · 12-04-2020 09:08AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Tomorrow on boards.ie Read about the woman who drove 240klms round trip to pick up a vibrator because of the sensory and muscular input it provides.

Essential shopping Irish style.

Its not the same as a child with sensory needs.

Just tell her to stsy at home.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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