Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

20silkcut · 12-04-2020 07:37AM

easypazz wrote: »

Maybe went to crescent to buy groceries and picked up a trampoline in Argos?

There are plenty of grocery shops in Nenagh. There is no need for any one to drive from Nenagh to limerick to shop for groceries.

JTMan · 12-04-2020 07:39AM

The main story in the UK Sunday Times here is about how the NHS contact tracing app, using the Google and Apple technology, is viewed as the way out of the crisis. People who download the app, and do not have a positive contact match, would be allowed to resume normal life. For the app to be a success 60% of people need to download it.

Hopefully the HSE are working with Apple and Google to develop a similar app.

I can see pubs etc having to check that you have the app and are negative in the app before you are allowed enter the establishment.

Gynoid · 12-04-2020 07:39AM

Munsterman12 wrote: »

These a sentiment out there that we are doing great as a country. The figures dont really bear that out. We are up there with the worst in the world. Especially when you consider numbers per million. Have a look at the streets of Italy or Spain, only pegions on the streets. Our streets are full of people exercising.

And forever more will I know them as peg-ions

I prefer that name now.

Some people might like this. (Oh, I know not all of y'all...:) ) I might tune in for a little while. Bocelli live streaming from the spectacular Duomo de Milano, 6pm this evening.

https://twitter.com/AndreaBocelli/status/1248207558885720065?s=19

Jizique · 12-04-2020 07:40AM

gmisk wrote: »

Where are the reports about the same happening here?

The internet; 5G; Gemma etc

Hamsterchops · 12-04-2020 07:53AM

Ohmeha wrote: »

Afaik Tesco are open aswell

Then why is this thread concentrating on Supervalu, if Tesco are also guilty of opening on Easter Sundsy :cool:

Wibbs · 12-04-2020 07:57AM

Munsterman12 wrote: »

Also, the stupidity of guards stopping cars without a mask and talking to people. Do they not realise you can have this virus without any symptoms?

Well M they like everyone else have been told they're useless, even a negative, by the same "experts" who brought you such highly intelligent gems as: "It's alright to visit your granny in a car home" and "people coming home from hotspots in Europe will be grand" and "asymptomatic spread is of little risk when living with a Covid contact person" and "we're on top of testing". So I'm hardly surprised.

bloodless_coup · 12-04-2020 07:58AM

What's the harm in a man going to buy a trampoline? Probably a private sale. Could easily not come in contact with anyone for the duration of the trip.

I've a few game consoles to sell. Great time to put up on DoneDeal. High demand, low supply.

Gynoid · 12-04-2020 08:01AM

You forgot that you can stand 2 metres away from a person with covid for 14 minutes and 59 seconds and be grand.

We had posters actually suggesting that in black and white all over site. HSE posters. The 15 minute window of miraculous protection.

12-04-2020 08:04AM

doylefe wrote: »

What's the harm in a man going to buy a trampoline? Probably a private sale. Could easily not come in contact with anyone for the duration of the trip.

Non-essential journey to collect a non-essential item well beyond the 2km threshold. It isn't difficult to comprehend.

sideswipe · 12-04-2020 08:05AM

doylefe wrote: »

What's the harm in a man going to buy a trampoline? Probably a private sale. Could easily not come in contact with anyone for the duration of the trip.

I've a few game consoles to sell. Great time to put up on DoneDeal. High demand, low supply.

If you have to ask that you really should have a read through the list of restrictions that have been brought in. 2k radius for exercise, only other trips for food, medicine or the care of others. It's really quite easy to understand why buying a trampoline online doesn't fit into those criteria.

KiKi III · 12-04-2020 08:08AM

sideswipe wrote: »

If you have to ask that you really should have a read through the list of restrictions that have been brought in. 2k radius for exercise, only other trips for food, medicine or the care of others. It's really quite easy to understand why buying a trampoline online doesn't fit into those criteria.

He understands perfectly well, he’s just happy to assume the rules don’t apply to him if there’s a few quid to be made.

robbiezero · 12-04-2020 08:08AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

We're actually a nation of morons who think we're loved all over the world.

We aren't and we are selfish ****ers pampered for too long.

Hysterical generalizing rubbish. Speak for yourself.
Vast majority are being responsible. There are a minority of morons. Every country will have them.

Away With The Fairies · 12-04-2020 08:08AM

doylefe wrote: »

What's the harm in a man going to buy a trampoline? Probably a private sale. Could easily not come in contact with anyone for the duration of the trip.

I've a few game consoles to sell. Great time to put up on DoneDeal. High demand, low supply.

What about the person he's buying the trampoline off?

This is exactly how this virus is spreading. You just don't know who has it. And off you go to buy a trampoline of ONE person. It's just one person, it's low risk... Except you don't know if they have the virus or not.

Leaves the house with the new trampoline and a virus to spread to his family.

bloodless_coup · 12-04-2020 08:13AM

Clearly the restrictions are needlessly draconian, and arbitrary. No difference driving to your closest supermarket vs driving a longer distance.

Nobody has defined what essential items are. Maybe a trampoline is essential to this man.

When you go grocery shopping, are you only putting essential items in your basket? I doubt it.

RentDayBlues · 12-04-2020 08:14AM

Not sure if this has been posted yet, really good thread comparing us with UK

https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259?s=21

tigger123 · 12-04-2020 08:15AM

doylefe wrote: »

Clearly the restrictions are needlessly draconian, and arbitrary. No difference driving to your closest supermarket vs driving a longer distance.

Nobody has defined what essential items are. Maybe a trampoline is essential to this man.

When you go grocery shopping, are you only putting essential items in your basket? I doubt it.

Yes, clearly they are. It's not you that's mistaken, its everybody else that's out of step.

bloodless_coup · 12-04-2020 08:18AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What about the person he's buying the trampoline off?

This is exactly how this virus is spreading. You just don't know who has it. And off you go to buy a trampoline of ONE person. It's just one person, it's low risk... Except you don't know if they have the virus or not.

Leaves the house with the new trampoline and a virus to spread to his family.

You don't have to go hugging the person you're buying from. Arrange it to keep physical distance. Pay online (instant money transfer) or leave cash in a box. The item can be left out for you to pick up. Use gloves while handling it. Disinfect it when home.

Funsterdelux · 12-04-2020 08:18AM

Munsterman12 wrote: »

Also, the stupidity of guards stopping cars without a mask and talking to people. Do they not realise you can have this virus without any symptoms?

I can just imagine the corona cloud that might escape from the passenger window from an infected persons car.

Boggles · 12-04-2020 08:19AM

A trampoline an essential item?

Fúck me, are people drinking cans all ready?

petes · 12-04-2020 08:19AM

doylefe wrote: »

Clearly the restrictions are needlessly draconian, and arbitrary. No difference driving to your closest supermarket vs driving a longer distance.

Nobody has defined what essential items are. Maybe a trampoline is essential to this man.

When you go grocery shopping, are you only putting essential items in your basket? I doubt it.

Hmmm....

sideswipe · 12-04-2020 08:23AM

doylefe wrote: »

Clearly the restrictions are needlessly draconian, and arbitrary. No difference driving to your closest supermarket vs driving a longer distance.

Nobody has defined what essential items are. Maybe a trampoline is essential to this man.

When you go grocery shopping, are you only putting essential items in your basket? I doubt it.

You are missing the point- this is about a United front, all shoulders to the wheel to reduce the risk of infection, flatten the curve and get back to some form of normality earlier.
One lad decides a trampoline is essential and drives to another county, longer journey more chance of having an accident ete etc.
Somebody else decides a new puppy is essential and drives twice as far to answer a done deal ad. Somebody else thinks I haven’t seen my parents down in cork for 5 weeks sure I’ll go for a spin and stand in the garden for a chat. All of a sudden you have lots of people not putting their shoulder to the wheel the risks of invention, road accidents etc increase and we end up taking longer to get where we need to be as a country.

tobefrank321 · 12-04-2020 08:24AM

RentDayBlues wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted yet, really good thread comparing us with UK

https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259?s=21

Not sure what she doesn't understand. Uk went down herd immunity route and allowed big soccer games and Cheltenham go ahead. Those decisions account for their high numbers. They don't even incluse those who die in nursing homes or at home. In reality there's probably close to 2 million cases in the UK going by a 1% fatality rate.

Our deaths have been relatively small but we are also not getting our cases under control. Italy has it down to about 5% increase per day and we'd need to be down at that level too.

People saying we are doing well with a 7 or 8% increase ignore the fact this means new cases are still massive.

Plus we will continue to see newly imported cases from the UK. There were 9 million visitors to Ireland last year. So if thats down 95% this year that still means 450,000 coming in, perhaps 2/3rds or 300,000 coming from the UK as its closest.

Pitch n Putt · 12-04-2020 08:28AM

Munsterman12 wrote: »

Also, the stupidity of guards stopping cars without a mask and talking to people. Do they not realise you can have this virus without any symptoms?

It’s just typical Irish reaction. Ah Shur we’ll go through the motions and make it look like were doing a great job. Guards leaning in to drivers windows should be a no no.

I think we are gone well past the contact tracing stage and it’s ridiculous how can you contact trace the 500 plus positive results that came back from Germany ten day after the test was carried out ?

How many people have these people been in contact with through work or supermarkets etc.

We need another plan - Stepping up testing is fine but not worth a jot if these results take 7-10 days to get results

That’s just going to mean a rolling two weeks extension on our current restrictions.

We’re never going to get ahead if we stay behind!!

JRant · 12-04-2020 08:28AM

JTMan wrote: »

The main story in the UK Sunday Times here is about how the NHS contact tracing app, using the Google and Apple technology, is viewed as the way out of the crisis. People who download the app, and do not have a positive contact match, would be allowed to resume normal life. For the app to be a success 60% of people need to download it.

Hopefully the HSE are working with Apple and Google to develop a similar app.

I can see pubs etc having to check that you have the app and are negative in the app before you are allowed enter the establishment.

Thanks but no thanks. We don't need our betters spying on our every movement more than they already are. This virus will pass in a month or two and we can get back to living a normal life again. Anyone who thinks we need an App or the government tracking our every move to get past this needs to have a look at how the majority of governments across the world behave when they have such powers.

Anyway, I don't think we need to worry about that here. The HSE can't seem to manage more than 1000 tests a day despite telling us 3 weeks ago we could be getting 15000 a day.

On a slightly different note it is about time that people could access their medical records online. We can do it with banking, revenue and a whole raft of other things yet something as important as ones health is completely overlooked.

Gynoid · 12-04-2020 08:28AM

Boggles wrote: »

A trampoline an essential item?

Fúck me, are people drinking cans all ready?

Hahaha you can hear the pichik-fizz of those ring pulls...

(come on, it's cocktail hour somewhere.)

Away With The Fairies · 12-04-2020 08:32AM

doylefe wrote: »

You don't have to go hugging the person you're buying from. Arrange it to keep physical distance. Pay online (instant money transfer) or leave cash in a box. The item can be left out for you to pick up. Use gloves while handling it. Disinfect it when home.

The virus can be spread by just normal talking and breathing.

Going out to buy a trampoline is just an extra risk and a risk that fool could have avoided.

I don't understand how people are trying to get around the restrictions. I really don't.

Anyone who pays for things online for things from adverts or done deal is a fcuking fool and asking to be scammed.

Will you leave your playstation games out in the rain to be picked up?

JRant · 12-04-2020 08:33AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Well M they like everyone else have been told they're useless, even a negative, by the same "experts" who brought you such highly intelligent gems as: "It's alright to visit your granny in a car home" and "people coming home from hotspots in Europe will be grand" and "asymptomatic spread is of little risk when living with a Covid contact person" and "we're on top of testing". So I'm hardly surprised.

The longer this goes on the less people are going to pay any heed to these briefings. If they can't be 100% transparent with the general population then they'll lose them fairly lively.

They've pretty much missed every major milestone that they themselves set and rather than giving an honest explanation they just keep digging.

I have a very real suspicion that the numbers they are plugging in to their "model" look a lot different to the ones we get drip fed feed.

Away With The Fairies · 12-04-2020 08:36AM

doylefe wrote: »

Clearly the restrictions are needlessly draconian, and arbitrary. No difference driving to your closest supermarket vs driving a longer distance.

Nobody has defined what essential items are. Maybe a trampoline is essential to this man.

When you go grocery shopping, are you only putting essential items in your basket? I doubt it.

Nobody defined what essential items are. What world are you living in?

Here you go, essential services and buying trampolines and selling playstations isn't on it

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfeb8f-list-of-essential-service-providers-under-new-public-health-guidelin/

JTMan · 12-04-2020 08:37AM

The WSJ are reporting here on the massive food shortages in India due to the lockdown. Really sad and worrying. Perhaps the Indian lockdown needs to change.

- Stores say some basics such as eggs, yogurt and cooking oil are increasingly hard to find.
- Farmers in India’s breadbasket are about to harvest the wheat crop. But their seasonal helpers aren’t showing up, and the few truckers willing to work are unable to buy food on the road and are getting harassed by police.
- Bigger problems ahead if things don’t return to normal in the coming month.
- People who move the essentials from farm to fork aren’t showing up for work.
- “There are so many human interventions in the Indian supply chain" that all is takes is a few not to go to work for serious food supply issues.
- Much of the labor force is spooked and doesn’t want to come to work even if they are allowed.
- While most farms are small, many still require seasonal help during harvest, often from other Indian states or even Nepal. Fear and travel restrictions are keeping the help home. (Similar issues with immigrant labour on farms not arriving in part of Europe).

Phoebas · 12-04-2020 08:37AM

JRant wrote: »

This virus will pass in a month or two and we can get back to living a normal life again.

That's fantastic news to wake up to on an Easter Sunday morning.

I might just go back to bed for another hour before I have to face reality.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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