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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #902
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    kevin12345 wrote: »
    They're way off. 4156 in Dublin and 166 in Tipperary.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/28cb70-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-saturday-11/#cases-by-county

    Yeah they've edited it now


  • #903
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    Notwithstanding the fact that we will be on the lookout for new cases and in a position to contact trace immediately.

    On the lookout for new cases for a disease where half the people who have it don't have any symptoms?

    Where up to 30% of people with it will test negative?

    And when we've lifted lockdowns, infectious enough that every carrier will infect more than five other people?


  • #904
    Sean 18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Sean 18


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Where in my post did I say that I am doing a daily shop for beer or ice cream, or are you assuming?
    How can people shop online Tesco supervalue have no slots at all until the middle of may


  • #905
    kalkat2002
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Where in my post did I say that I am doing a daily shop for beer or ice cream, or are you assuming?

    Apologies I wasn't referring you..I just explained my behaviour ..but a lot of people doing it and is not an assumption


  • #906
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    It's amazing how different all the figures are by countries, positive test rates, tests per capita, death rates are all over the place.

    E.g US 522k cases from 2.6 million tests - 20% Positive
    Spain 162k cases from 355k tests - 46% Positive
    Russia 13.5k cases from 1.2 million tests - 1.1% Positive

    What gives?

    Some countries are only testing sick in hospital. Others are community testing. You cannot compare countries due to this. Deaths are the same. Different criteria every where


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  • #907
    Wii776
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Wii776


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    That doesn't negate my point.
    You are saying that two different situations are in fact the same.

    I'm curious. How are they in anyway different? Person A has virus, passes to person B,C,D,E. They go on to pass it on etc. You can understand that, yes?
    Why would the hypothetical person A on a plane or ferry in my example be any different ? Do you think that contact tracing will prevent spread? There are stories on these threads from people working in GP practices of Covid positive patients popping into shops and others of the travelling to post letters. Contact tracing is a nonsense.


  • #908
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Nermal wrote: »
    On the lookout for new cases for a disease where half the people who have it don't have any symptoms?

    Where up to 30% of people with it will test negative?

    And when we've lifted lockdowns, infectious enough that every carrier will infect more than five other people?

    Is that true for laboratory testing?


  • #909
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    easypazz wrote: »
    We are far from doing sh1t

    We're in the top 10 for deaths per capita... where do we need to be, before you think we're doing sh!t? Top 5? Top 3?

    You are one of those people, who needs to wake the f*ck up!


  • #910
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1249046437649924097?s=19

    Hospital admissions and ICU those are the numbers to watch


  • #911
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Nermal wrote: »
    On the lookout for new cases for a disease where half the people who have it don't have any symptoms?

    Where up to 30% of people with it will test negative?

    And when we've lifted lockdowns, infectious enough that every carrier will infect more than five other people?

    Yes, but a higher level of vigilance none the less and one that didn't exist first time around.

    Logic tells me that an improvement in monitoring will have an effect.


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  • #912
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    mean gene wrote: »
    Shocking stuff we are doing sh1t

    These threads have gone to sh!t the last few days.

    I feel like there is so much information being thrown around as stats, and random people coming in reading it - taking as gospel and going to tell their friends etc.

    There is no point comparing death rates because every country is reporting death rates at different times, some countries like Ireland include nursing home deaths, however the majority of countries don't. So how can you say we are doing ****. If for instance you took nursing home deaths out - our story will probably tell you we are doing good, but it's irrelevant - the important facts are how our hospitals and ICU wards are doing - that's all the really matters.

    The majority of countries have highly density populations - again Ireland doesn't have this - bar Dublin and maybe Cork.

    Nursing homes seem to make up a high % of deaths - if we had that under control, then the death rate in Ireland might be a lot lower. But that is a lot easier said than nothing given staff don't live in nursing homes so there are people always moving around.

    There are probably a couple of hundred thousand cases in Ireland - or there could be less than 20k, but no one knows, and no one will probably ever find out. To say we are doing good, bad or indifferent is basically pulling it from the air.

    Personally I think we are in a good place, but it's not time to be complacent, we need to keep on top of this. If for no other reason than to allow of healthcare system to ramp up their plans - after all, if we have 10,000 ICU beds in the country lying free with staff, we probably could all go back to work in the morning - but in reality we have like 500 total?

    Is it possible for the health system to get more ICU beds or do these require very specialist equipment and staff, and we don't have that level of staff expertise available to us?


  • #913
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    joe_99 wrote: »
    Some countries are only testing sick in hospital. Others are community testing. You cannot compare countries due to this. Deaths are the same. Different criteria every where
    how do we compare to other countries on numbers in ICU beds?


  • #914
    Sean 18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Sean 18


    Three neighbours that live near me just gone for a walk together with their grandchild live in different houses their in their 60s and one of them is a nurse you'd think they'd know better


  • #915
    realrebel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭realrebel


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I think fergal bowers wrote something yesterday that a healthcare worker was told they were negative and a few days later a phone call saying they were positive.

    How many more are there I wonder


  • #916
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Is that true for laboratory testing?

    https://www.livescience.com/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html


  • #917
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    reg114 wrote: »
    Compare Ireland to Denmark similar population yet we have 4,000 more cases. Compare Ireland to Czech Republic , they have double the population and 4000 fewer cases than us.

    I believe we will peak in the coming days. The german results at this point are meaningless as far as the trend is concerned because while they may add to the total number they are most likely results from swabs taken several weeks ago.
    So the 553 cases today and its equivalent number over the next few days is the one to watch. As I said I believe this daily number will fall next week.

    The deaths are rising but that is going to happen as the overall number is rising, it will take several weeks more more the deaths to start to fall I believe.

    When all this is over there will have to be a serious look at the deficiencies that led to 'reagent' shortages , lack of capacity in labs, lack of PPE and the disgrace that has seen 20% of all 9000 cases so far being found among healthcare professionals. There is also the shameful fact that of all the OECD countries Ireland has the lowest number of ICU beds. Its totally unacceptable that an island nation off the west of Europe has more cases and deaths than Denmark which is only 1600 km away from Italy.

    Testing is completely different. Cannot compare cases across countries. It's a complete waste of time


  • #918
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sean 18 wrote: »
    How can people shop online Tesco supervalue have no slots at all until the middle of may

    Tried it once as I said, three week delay (let's call it that) at the time and they cancelled on the morning of the delivery.

    Dad is healthy and fit for his age and as my sister still has to go to work anyway they decided not to try and take up slots for people that might actually need them.


  • #919
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Feck me - gov.ie is saying 34,156 cases in Dublin

    Edit and Tipp 1166

    I don't see that on there.


  • #920
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,241 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    I don't get this obsession with comparing our numbers to the numbers in other countries. What does it matter? It's not a competition and it's not going to change anything.


  • #921
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Can the army not help? What are they doing?

    Seamus is self isolating but Padraig is available

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • #922
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    News from China...

    https://twitter.com/Rover829/status/1248895334182350848

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  • #923
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Can the army not help? What are they doing?

    The army should be staffing places like Lidl, Aldi and Tesco.

    All the people here and on social media getting upset when a jogger runs past them, try working the till in your local supermarket. If they had any union they would have pulled the staff out of there weeks ago.

    And for people who say no staff are reporting sick, that's a very worthwhile but separate issue.

    Why should staff go into that environment when people are being told sitting less than 2metres apart on a windy beach is against the law??


  • #924
    SnrInfant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭SnrInfant


    I live out the country where there is about 5 other houses.
    A house next door to me was bought by Nua Healthcare and renovated.
    Since they took over, there are about 10 cars parked in the garden next door and people coming and going all the time.
    Since the lockdown, I've seen about 5 adult men playing football every day with loud music blaring constantly.
    There is no social distancing there what so ever.
    I'm home with my two small children and am sick to death of the noise at this stage! I moved to the country to get away from **** like this.
    Who should I ring, guards or Nua Healthcare?


  • #925
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Wii776 wrote: »
    I'm curious. How are they in anyway different? Person A has virus, passes to person B,C,D,E. They go on to pass it on etc. You can understand that, yes?
    Why would the hypothetical person A on a plane or ferry in my example be any different ? Do you think that contact tracing will prevent spread? There are stories on these threads from people working in GP practices of Covid positive patients popping into shops and others of the travelling to post letters. Contact tracing is a nonsense.

    Actually, you've swung me around to your way of thinking.

    It happened so quickly (the metaphorical swinging around) because I didn't realise that it all started out with one case the first time around.

    Reminds me of the concept of "strange attractors" in chaos theory - same effect, irrespective of cause.


  • #926
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    realrebel wrote: »
    How many more are there I wonder

    Just take a look at this.

    https://twitter.com/Dickdoc123/status/1248726413672427521?s=20


  • #927
    Sean 18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Sean 18


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The army should be staffing places like Lidl, Aldi and Tesco.

    All the people here and on social media getting upset when a jogger runs past them, try working the till in your local supermarket. If they had any union they would have pulled the staff out of there weeks ago.

    And for people who say no staff are reporting sick, that's a very worthwhile but separate issue.

    Why should staff go into that environment when people are being told sitting less than 2metres apart on a windy beach is against the law??

    Yes the shopping hours for the elderly should mean the elderly theirs still children pushing trolleys around the shop at that hour of the day and families going in that time Jesus you'd think they'd stay away from the shops for two hours


  • #928
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    May the 33 people who died rest in peace


  • #929
    kalkat2002
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    SnrInfant wrote: »
    I live out the country where there is about 5 other houses.
    A house next door to me was bought by Nua Healthcare and renovated.
    Since they took over, there are about 10 cars parked in the garden next door and people coming and going all the time.
    Since the lockdown, I've seen about 5 adult men playing football every day with loud music blaring constantly.
    There is no social distancing there what so ever.
    I'm home with my two small children and am sick to death of the noise at this stage! I moved to the country to get away from **** like this.
    Who should I ring, guards or Nua Healthcare?

    Social media should be more effective...


  • #930
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,274 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Are our deaths per million not high because we are counting deaths in nursing homes? We can’t really compare as it’s apple and oranges until everyone doing the same rules for counting.


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  • #931
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Nermal wrote: »
    https://www.livescience.com/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html

    That's not good.


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