Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

owlbethere · 11-04-2020 03:15PM

Just Saying wrote: »

The ECDC website is showing 696 new cases and 24 deaths for Ireland today.

Obviously their 24 hour window is different to the Dept. Of Health but deaths are normally pretty closely aligned.

After yesterday I wont even hazard a guess about new cases and what's included in their figure.

Will there be a briefing?

easypazz · 11-04-2020 03:16PM

Westernyelp wrote: »

You are going against what we are being asked to do for the common good. You maybe able to justify it in your own mind. but it is nevertheless outside good practice.

Everyone can excuse their own needs. but we shouldn't

You are right. Let the old people starve.

The_Brood · 11-04-2020 03:16PM

LOL. City center. Sun is out, and absolute madness. Everyone packed on top of each, 0 ****s given about anything.

"Restrictions" do not work unless you have men with machine guns patrolling the streets. That's it. The alternative is more virus and death. Irish society has clearly chosen the latter...you know, because it's "such a nice day outside."

Idiots.

BanditLuke · 11-04-2020 03:17PM

easypazz wrote: »

I was one of those "2 people together"

Shopping for 3 households, 2 of those cocooning.

So give it a rest.

What a surprise.

Rob A. Bank · 11-04-2020 03:17PM

kingshankly wrote: »

Has Uk released its figures today yet

easypazz · 11-04-2020 03:18PM

The_Brood wrote: »

LOL. City center. Sun is out, and absolute madness. Everyone packed on top of each, 0 ****s given about anything.

"Restrictions" do not work unless you have men with machine guns patrolling the streets. That's it. The alternative is more virus and death. Irish society has clearly chosen the latter...you know, because it's "such a nice day outside."

Idiots.

This is the flip side of closing beaches and beauty spots, people will pack other areas even more.

Away With The Fairies · 11-04-2020 03:18PM

nj27 wrote: »

Possibly good news on a vaccine front?

Can someone more sciencey explain how vaccine will work if there's different strains of a vaccine? And if a virus mutates, how will such a vaccine help?

Kermit.de.frog · 11-04-2020 03:19PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Guards need to seriously have a presence in parks are on days like this with sun, still some idiots ruining it for everyone.

Same in the UK.

The price is not paid for this today.

It's paid in 2 weeks time.

Same people will be saying "isn't it terrible"...

BanditLuke · 11-04-2020 03:19PM

easypazz wrote: »

After a while 20 oaps dying from this each day won't make headlines.

Except the ones you are shopping for of course

Westernyelp · 11-04-2020 03:20PM

easypazz wrote: »

You are right. Let the old people starve.

Ignoring your facetiousness. One person should be more than capable of shopping for a few households. if you are not up to this task. perhaps you should ask someone more capable to do the shopping run?

Cork Boy 53 · 11-04-2020 03:20PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Will there be a briefing?

There will be an announcement of the latest figures but no press conference. They won`t resume until Tuesday.

easypazz · 11-04-2020 03:21PM

Westernyelp wrote: »

Ignoring your facetiousness. One person should be more than capable of shopping for a few households. if you are not up to this task. perhaps you should ask someone more capable to do the shopping run?

Ok

BanditLuke · 11-04-2020 03:21PM

easypazz wrote: »

This is the flip side of closing beaches and beauty spots, people will pack other areas even more.

Not people, idiots.

BanditLuke · 11-04-2020 03:22PM

Westernyelp wrote: »

Ignoring your facetiousness. One person should be more than capable of shopping for a few households. if you are not up to this task. perhaps you should ask someone more capable to do the shopping run?

But but they are cocooning, he needs two people. :rolleyes:

owlbethere · 11-04-2020 03:24PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

There will be an announcement of the latest figures but no press conference. They won`t resume until Tuesday.

I suppose that makes sense. They need a break. They probably don't fancy another long evening teaching George some sums.

Birdy · 11-04-2020 03:25PM

People seem to have given up with the 3 week extension. It is like the summer holidays.

People stopping for social chats.

People mixing with other households.

People in houses they don't live in.

People playing sport in a communal area.

Cyclists more than 2km from home.

Elderly out walking and/or sitting in communal areas.

Queues outside the shops that are open.

This is not going to work. People won't take it seriously until someone they love gets critically ill.

Cork Boy 53 · 11-04-2020 03:25PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Not people, idiots.

Unfortunately the two are not mutually exclusive.

Kermit.de.frog · 11-04-2020 03:25PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Can't be that much to spare a few patrols to monitor parks and disperse people, I see them do it already but once every half a day or something.

I drove by a park earlier and there is nothing the gardai can do. It was packed.

It's more packed today than on any other sunny day I can remember.

easypazz · 11-04-2020 03:26PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

But but they are cocooning, he needs two people. :rolleyes:

2 people stand side by side in the queue. When they get into shop they split up and do 2 different lists, with 2 trolleys and pay separately.

I don't get the shaming here.

Just Saying · 11-04-2020 03:26PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Will there be a briefing?

Just a press release on Saturday's and Sunday's I think.

BanditLuke · 11-04-2020 03:27PM

easypazz wrote: »

2 people stand side by side in the queue. When they get into shop they split up and do 2 different lists, with 2 trolleys and pay separately.

I don't get the shaming here.

You don't get a lot of stuff.

fritzelly · 11-04-2020 03:30PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Can someone more sciencey explain how vaccine will work if there's different strains of a vaccine? And if a virus mutates, how will such a vaccine help?

There are multiple breeds of dogs but they are all still dogs

Virus has minor mutations but it's still the same virus at the core that vaccines target

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 11-04-2020 03:31PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I wasn't surprised in the least that extensions were extended. I'm still not happy about not having a clear exit strategy. Strategy has been weak throughout. We were more concerned with cowing EU, vintners , Bord failte than getting ahead of this curve.

Getting to the stage of just getting on with the new reality. This will be hear for a very long time if the whole international community doesn't work together. Best just get used to new normal and keep yourself and loved ones happy and safe.

Happy Saturday.

I don’t know why people expect that at this point. There can’t be a clear exit strategy when there is still so much uncertainty about the virus. I’ve said this a few times and I’ll say it again: the four or so months we have been aware of this virus is the square root of fuck all time in scientific research terms, even with technological advances. Our knowledge of this virus is in its infancy. Scientific papers have been published but anyone even tangentially involved in scientific research knows that that is eyebrow-raisingly quick for papers to be published. Those papers will be error-ridden. Some that I’ve seen are. You can’t rush this stuff if you want quality findings. How can an exit strategy be worked out at this very early stage and very few developments and breakthroughs to work off? We might desperately want an exit strategy but, well, there’s lots of things I want that I can’t have.

We are not necessarily just relying on research scientists. Existing treatments might prove helpful. Or maybe climate. There could be a breakthrough. But so far, no real breakthroughs. So we have to be patient.

Away With The Fairies · 11-04-2020 03:32PM

Birdy wrote: »

People seem to have given up with the 3 week extension. It is like the summer holidays.

People stopping for social chats.

People mixing with other households.

People in houses they don't live in.

People playing sport in a communal area.

Cyclists more than 2km from home.

Elderly out walking and/or sitting in communal areas.

Queues outside the shops that are open.

This is not going to work. People won't take it seriously until someone they love gets critically ill.

People don't care because it won't happen to them.

ninebeanrows · 11-04-2020 03:33PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I drove by a park earlier and there is nothing the gardai can do. It was packed.

It's more packed today than on any other sunny day I can remember.

Is there really going to be that much spread with people walking in parks 2 metres apart?

There is very limited information on whether this disease spreads in the outdoors, never mind when people are avoiding each other and most of the times 2 metres plus apart.

ninebeanrows · 11-04-2020 03:35PM

There has to be a happy compromise, this is not going to be perfect. It is not going to be sunny every day, the rain will arrive soon. Let people have some minor enjoyment with very low risks, we are in this for the long haul.

Away With The Fairies · 11-04-2020 03:35PM

easypazz wrote: »

2 people stand side by side in the queue. When they get into shop they split up and do 2 different lists, with 2 trolleys and pay separately.

I don't get the shaming here.

I understand and thank you for helping others. I was just pointing out that there's extra people out there when they don't have to be. The two I saw were not doing a huge shop when they were inside.

Wibbs · 11-04-2020 03:37PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Can someone more sciencey explain how vaccine will work if there's different strains of a vaccine? And if a virus mutates, how will such a vaccine help?

OK, better minds will be along shortly, but in very simple terms and a simple analogy...

You're a sentry(immune system) for a big castle(the body). You're getting reports from other sentries of some sort of invasion, but the details are sketchy, but as more and more sentries are attacked and fight back you hear down the line that these attackers look like humans. Two legs, two arms, big dopey heads on them, fuzzy bits on top. So you keep an eye out for humans and when you see one you shoot it and after a while the attack is repulsed and the second a human shows up again you blow its head off. That's kinda like your immune system at work naturally.

Now what a vaccine does it's like all you sentries get a call on the radio(the vaccine) to keep an eye out for these humans and what they look like, so if they show up, you again blow their head off on sight, without having to learn by fighting them off. Job done.

Mutations. Humans come in all shapes and sizes and colours, but all look like humans. So a slow mutating virus like Covid still looks human to the sentries and the radio call is still accurate. The first wave might look like say African lads, the second mutated wave look like European lads, but they still look human so you shoot them on sight. Job done. Flu viruses mutate more rapidly and in more ways, so they might show up with no arms or two heads or four legs and you think "hmmm don't look like humans" and you let them in and you have to learn all over again, so vaccines are harder to keep up to date.

If you know what I mean.... Fair play if you do. I confused meself.,

Kermit.de.frog · 11-04-2020 03:38PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

There has to be a happy compromise, this is not going to be perfect.

I suppose.

The other side of the compromise is weeks more of the same lock down from the 5th of May.

Personally I don't want to make such a compromise for a day of sunshine but each to their own.

Around town today you can imagine the 1,000's of new extra cases that are going to emerge over the next couple of weeks.

It also sets a precedent for people not to take it as seriously.

Kermit.de.frog · 11-04-2020 03:39PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

People don't care because they think it won't happen to them.

Fixed for yeh!

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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