Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Gynoid · 11-04-2020 07:59AM

Achasanai wrote: »

If you don't want to shave your head, there's always a sheep shears

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1248325832243916802

Haha

i feared for his ears every second of that video

US2 · 11-04-2020 08:01AM

Wibbs wrote: »

From what I've read on the Wuhan research into kids who caught it and almost always have mild symptoms, it appears to not get into the lungs to any great degree with children. It stays in the upper respiratory system, the throat, sinuses, for some reason. This appears to be the case with the really mild symptoms in adults too. So those who only have the lose of taste and smell as a symptom it's in the head and appears to stay there. In some it goes into the lungs and causes stronger symptoms and in a minority that goes onto serious symptoms in the lungs. As for healthy young people getting it bad even fatally, they appear to be a small minority. In Italy's case every single person under 40 that died from it had very serious underlying health conditions.

What I've noticed in a completely unscientific way I grant you is when you see reports in the media of younger people in their 20's and 30's, even 40's who've tragically died from this, the majority are overweight and usually obese. That appears to be a pretty big factor. Even in the images of the Italian wards a goodly proportion are pretty stocky men, not so many whippet thin people.

Where are you getting these statements from

Majority of under 40 deaths in italy had very serious underlying health issues

People who died in 20s 30s or 40s, majority of them were overweight.

Why would you pull such statements straight out of your arsee and post em here?

Wibbs · 11-04-2020 08:04AM

Gynoid wrote: »

I agree. We will have to meet back here in 3 to 6 months and longer to report anything approaching more certain indices. I still think it is an important consideration in policy planning, as people with mild (who knows what that means right now!) symptoms were included in some of the studies.

Not quite though G. As the article says In a study posted this week, scientists in China examined the blood test results of 34 COVID-19 patients over the course of their hospitalization They were seen as serious enough to end up in hospital. Never mind it's just 34 patients. Absolutely tiny number to be drawing conclusions from. Never mind that it's over the short term of their hospitalisation.

Gynoid · 11-04-2020 08:09AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Not quite though G. As the article says In a study posted this week, scientists in China examined the blood test results of 34 COVID-19 patients over the course of their hospitalization They were seen as serious enough to end up in hospital. Never mind it's just 34 patients. Absolutely tiny number to be drawing conclusions from. Never mind that it's over the short term of their hospitalisation.

Ohhhkay, okay, they were in hospital.... sheesh, can get away with nothing here.

eagle eye · 11-04-2020 08:09AM

Any word on this South Korea re-infection thing today?

Funsterdelux · 11-04-2020 08:11AM

Gynoid wrote: »

Haha i feared for his ears every second of that video

Reminds me of the time my father was shearing one of the rams and forgot it was a ram!

:eek:

Wibbs · 11-04-2020 08:16AM

US2 wrote: »

Where are you getting these statements from

Majority of under 40 deaths in italy had very serious underlying health issues

People who died in 20s 30s or 40s, majority of them were overweight.

Why would you pull such statements straight out of your arsee and post em here?

1) the overweight thing I pointed out was "What I've noticed in a completely unscientific way I grant you".

2) Here's the Italian study on patients up until March the 17th. All of those who died under 40 had serious underlying conditions. Of the rest under 1% had no underlying illnesses. The majority of deaths were in older people, two thirds of whom had high blood pressure, a third had diabetes, a third had heart disease. Most suffered from more than one of those.

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 08:16AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Any word on this South Korea re-infection thing today?

It's very unlikely to be reinfection. Remnants of virus, reactivation at a very low level or faulty tests. Global reinfection would be a sh1tshow.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 11-04-2020 08:17AM

I don’t understand the US at all. The people seem to be blind to the failures of their politicians. The bipartisan divide is so strong, that if their respective leader does anything, they praise it. Have they forgotten the “doctors want to keep you locked up,” or “I want full churches by Easter” comment, or touting a medical therapy with no formal clinical trials. I feel that if an Irish leader did all that, we would rip them apart. But they seem to lap it up in the US

weisses · 11-04-2020 08:19AM

US2 wrote: »

Where are you getting these statements from

Majority of under 40 deaths in italy had very serious underlying health issues

People who died in 20s 30s or 40s, majority of them were overweight.

Why would you pull such statements straight out of your arsee and post em here?

Educate yourself.... This was discussed at length ....including proper referencing

11-04-2020 08:21AM

Alisa Odd Wasp wrote: »

I don’t understand the US at all. The people seem to be blind to the failures of their politicians. The bipartisan divide is so strong, that if their respective leader does anything, they praise it. Have they forgotten the “doctors want to keep you locked up,” or “I want full churches by Easter” comment, or touting a medical therapy with no formal clinical trials. I feel that if an Irish leader did all that, we would rip them apart. But they seem to lap it up in the US

Even SF and the DUP can work together to tackle this crisis

America is fcuked,mass graves being dug in NY and they at each others throats over party politics

Danzy · 11-04-2020 08:21AM

Alisa Odd Wasp wrote: »

I don’t understand the US at all. The people seem to be blind to the failures of their politicians. The bipartisan divide is so strong, that if their respective leader does anything, they praise it. Have they forgotten the “doctors want to keep you locked up,” or “I want full churches by Easter” comment, or touting a medical therapy with no formal clinical trials. I feel that if an Irish leader did all that, we would rip them apart. But they seem to lap it up in the US

People are tired of the omg Trump this and that.

So they aren't listening anymore.

Whether that is good or bad is immaterial.

Look at the Trump threads on boards, the sanctimony and righteousness is off the chart.

Rvsmmnps · 11-04-2020 08:22AM

I see staff of cavan hospital are asking questions as to how the press can report that 70 staff members have covid 19. They say it's all lies

crossman47 · 11-04-2020 08:24AM

US2 wrote: »

Treat us with respect, give us transparency and we will respect you and your guidance.

I was thinking at the start, we might actually handle this well but no typical Ireland everything's a secret.

We dont need an excuse or to hide anything, some of the best healthcare systems in the world are struggling, we expect our health system to struggle.

Tell us the truth or we lose confidence and ignore you because your full of fibs!!

I really don't think they are telling any fibs. If anything they are over explaining. They gave two figures for total tests because they gave one including the German data (old cases) and one without; the latter is better to use for day on day trends as otherwise you have a big spike when the extra cases come in. Thats how I see it and I can understand the rationale but they didn't explain it well. I think it may be a case of not seeing the wood for the trees if you have all this data and so much else coming at you. I have nothing but admiration and pity in equal measure for Holohan.

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 08:28AM

Danzy wrote: »

People are tired of the omg Trump this and that.

So they aren't listening anymore.

Whether that is good or bad is immaterial.

Look at the Trump threads on boards, the sanctimony and righteousness is off the chart.

Have you seen his rambling 'conferences' every night? Yesterday he said that "The the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can't keep up with it." He's so thick and ignorant he doesn't understand it's a virus. It's not that people are tired of him, they understand he's just plain stoopid. Sanctimony and righteousness my arse.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 11-04-2020 08:29AM

Danzy wrote: »

People are tired of the omg Trump this and that.

So they aren't listening anymore.

Whether that is good or bad is immaterial.

Look at the Trump threads on boards, the sanctimony and righteousness is off the chart.

Healthcare workers in the US are having to do high-risk procedures (e.g. intubation), in the absence of appropriate PPE. Healthcare workers are losing their jobs because of their willingness to speak out.

Patients are hanging their hopes on an experimental therapy, with little concrete evidence.

There is talk that people will be allowed to attend churches for Easter.

None of this is political talk. This is fact, fact that could and will cost lives

Rvsmmnps · 11-04-2020 08:31AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Have you seen his rambling 'conferences' every night? Yesterday he said that "The the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can't keep up with it." He's so thick and ignorant he doesn't understand it's a virus. It's not that people are tired of him, they understand he's just plain stoopid. Sanctimony and righteousness my arse.

I'm off the group that doesn't care about trump. I'm indifferent to him, I find those who get annoyed by his personality more entertaining than anything.
His weaknesses might be his best selling point. The slack hawed yokels understand him as well as everyone else

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 08:34AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

I'm off the group that doesn't care about trump. I'm indifferent to him, I find those who get annoyed by his personality more entertaining than anything.
His weaknesses might be his best selling point. The slack hawed yokels understand him as well as everyone else

His 'weaknesses' have caused 1,000s of people to die. His inability to comprehend that this virus would spread and kill meant that he promoted the idea that it was a hoax. Or maybe he just didn't give a sh1t.

EDit · 11-04-2020 08:37AM

Strazdas wrote: »

An Oxford University professor (Sarah Gilbert) thinks a vaccine could be ready as soon as September.

You would really hope so.....lots of gloomy speculation across the board today that restrictions and social distancing could easily go on for another year at least worldwide (causing havoc for economies, travel, tourism and sport).

That quite a misleading article (assuming you read it on Sky). The headline implies that it’s likely it will be ready by September, but then in the article the Professor says she is 80% sure it will be ready, but that this is her own personal view and that there are no guarantees. There’s also no mention of whether she means ready in the context that it is found to work by September or ready in the context that there are billions of doses ready to inoculate everyone. I suspect it’s the former.

Tea Shock · 11-04-2020 08:39AM

Alisa Odd Wasp wrote: »

I don’t understand the US at all. The people seem to be blind to the failures of their politicians. The bipartisan divide is so strong, that if their respective leader does anything, they praise it. Have they forgotten the “doctors want to keep you locked up,” or “I want full churches by Easter” comment, or touting a medical therapy with no formal clinical trials. I feel that if an Irish leader did all that, we would rip them apart. But they seem to lap it up in the US

Watching Fox is comparable to watching MUFC TV or something - it's like they're supporting a football team

CNN are nearly as bad but they're on the other side of the argument - and slightly more subtle.

So it's normal for them - ingrained in their mentality at this stage.

They wouldn't get away with it in Ireland - at least, not as blatantly!

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 11-04-2020 08:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Even SF and the DUP can work together to tackle this crisis

America is fcuked,mass graves being dug in NY and they at each others throats over party politics

They're currently doing better than Ireland.

So, if this is your judgement of the U.S - what is your judgement on how our leaders are doing?

Most people coming out with foolish statements like "America is fooked" etc. Are not actually basing it on anything solid. It's mostly just wishful thinking, because they're so blinded by hatred of Trump!

Look at all the stupid stuff our CMO has come out with over the last few weeks, getting so many things badly wrong... or all the pointless vanity and preening of our Taoiseach, with his PR sh!te while hundreds of people are now dying on our Island... but not a peep out of many of you??

Double standards! You defend our hopeless leaders to the hilt, no matter how poorly they perform, but then ridicule leaders in the U.S or UK... :rolleyes:

chin nuts · 11-04-2020 08:47AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

I see staff of cavan hospital are asking questions as to how the press can report that 70 staff members have covid 19. They say it's all lies

Could everyone please read the statement below from Dr Val Gough, Consultant, Cavan General Hospital,
The report that was published online in the Irish Times and from the Anglo Celt yesterday afternoon was not representative of what is actually happening in the hospital,
All this report managed to do was undermine the confidence of our patients and families of what is happening in the hospital but also it completely misrepresented the fantastic effort that is taking place 24/07 in our hospital from all the staff, each playing an essential role at this time,
This is a pandemic, there is no manual available to manage this and the situation changes on an hourly basis but together we are working collectively to get through this,

We would appreciate the support of everyone at this time, this is a time of uncertainty for us too, we are not invincible either,
It would have been nice to have better support from our local paper and media outlets,

So please read this and please share too

Thanks Dr Gough,

Sir - Concerning the article,

The opening statement is untrue: "Consultants sent to Cavan hospital after 70 medics infected with coronavirus". No Consultant has been sent to Cavan hospital. Furthermore, in the article, it says that the IHCA (Irish Hospital Consultants Association - who deal exclusively with consultants) members are being dispatched by the IHCA, again this is untrue. They have done no such thing.

Beaumont Hospital/RCSI group has kindly had Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors (NCHDs) offer their services to Cavan Monaghan Hospital which is greatly appreciated as a short term interim measure and in keeping with the ethos of a group partnership.

Yours

Dr Val Gough

11-04-2020 08:47AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

They're currently doing better than Ireland.

So, if this is your judgement of the U.S - what is your judgement on how our leaders are doing?

Most people coming out with foolish statements like "America is fooked" etc. Are not actually basing it on anything solid. It's mostly just wishful thinking, because they're so blinded by hatred of Trump!

Look at all the stupid stuff our CMO has come out with over the last few weeks, getting so many things badly wrong... or all the pointless vanity and preening of our Taoiseach, with his PR sh!te while hundreds of people are now dying on our Island... but not a peep out of many of you??

Double standards! You defend our hopeless leaders to the hilt, no matter how poorly they perform, but then ridicule leaders in the U.S or UK... :rolleyes:

Nowhere have i defended the leaderz here??

Quite why yous think critism of partisanism in face of a proper crisis amounts to defending anyone is all on you.....

.people in north were in protracted near on civil war,killing thousands and can put aside party politics and still work together....im indifferent to the divide in the US(dont see any huge difference tbh) ,but people are simply going to die in droves,while politians argue over pointless sh1te there

macmahon · 11-04-2020 08:47AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

I see staff of cavan hospital are asking questions as to how the press can report that 70 staff members have covid 19. They say it's all lies

Source! Thanks.

fits · 11-04-2020 08:47AM

Wibbs wrote: »

What I've noticed in a completely unscientific way I grant you is when you see reports in the media of younger people in their 20's and 30's, even 40's who've tragically died from this, the majority are overweight and usually obese. That appears to be a pretty big factor. Even in the images of the Italian wards a goodly proportion are pretty stocky men, not so many whippet thin people.

GP friend of mine has told me there appear to be more cases of young healthy people getting heart attacks and dying suddenly. Difficulty getting autopsies done. I’m not sure if these are included in official figures.

Blueshoe · 11-04-2020 08:48AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

They're currently doing better than Ireland.

So, if this is your judgement of the U.S - what is your judgement on how our leaders are doing?

Most people coming out with foolish statements like "America is fooked" etc. Are not actually basing it on anything solid. It's mostly just wishful thinking, because they're so blinded by hatred of Trump!

Look at all the stupid stuff our CMO has come out with over the last few weeks, getting so many things badly wrong... or all the pointless vanity and preening of our Taoiseach, with his PR sh!te while hundreds of people are now dying on our Island... but not a peep out of many of you??

Double standards! You defend our hopeless leaders to the hilt, no matter how poorly they perform, but then ridicule leaders in the U.S or UK... :rolleyes:

Leo used a quote from Terminator 2 in one of his speeches. Imagine Trump did that!

Stop the lights

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 08:48AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

They're currently doing better than Ireland.

So, if this is your judgement of the U.S - what is your judgement on how our leaders are doing?

Most people coming out with foolish statements like "America is fooked" etc. Are not actually basing it on anything solid. It's mostly just wishful thinking, because they're so blinded by hatred of Trump!

Look at all the stupid stuff our CMO has come out with over the last few weeks, getting so many things badly wrong... or all the pointless vanity and preening of our Taoiseach, with his PR sh!te while hundreds of people are now dying on our Island... but not a peep out of many of you??

Double standards! You defend our hopeless leaders to the hilt, no matter how poorly they perform, but then ridicule leaders in the U.S or UK... :rolleyes:

In the context of coronavirus, would you rather be in Ireland or the US in the next two months?

Rvsmmnps · 11-04-2020 08:48AM

chin nuts wrote: »

Could everyone please read the statement below from Dr Val Gough, Consultant, Cavan General Hospital,
The report that was published online in the Irish Times and from the Anglo Celt yesterday afternoon was not representative of what is actually happening in the hospital,
All this report managed to do was undermine the confidence of our patients and families of what is happening in the hospital but also it completely misrepresented the fantastic effort that is taking place 24/07 in our hospital from all the staff, each playing an essential role at this time,
This is a pandemic, there is no manual available to manage this and the situation changes on an hourly basis but together we are working collectively to get through this,

We would appreciate the support of everyone at this time, this is a time of uncertainty for us too, we are not invincible either,
It would have been nice to have better support from our local paper and media outlets,

So please read this and please share too

Thanks Dr Gough,

Sir - Concerning the article,

The opening statement is untrue: "Consultants sent to Cavan hospital after 70 medics infected with coronavirus". No Consultant has been sent to Cavan hospital. Furthermore, in the article, it says that the IHCA (Irish Hospital Consultants Association - who deal exclusively with consultants) members are being dispatched by the IHCA, again this is untrue. They have done no such thing.

Beaumont Hospital/RCSI group has kindly had Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors (NCHDs) offer their services to Cavan Monaghan Hospital which is greatly appreciated as a short term interim measure and in keeping with the ethos of a group partnership.

Yours

Dr Val Gough

The person who called bs on this publically stated so on Facebook. He works in the hospital for the hse..

Rvsmmnps · 11-04-2020 08:51AM

macmahon wrote: »

Source! Thanks.

I can pm you a link. But it's from Facebook.

caveat emptor · 11-04-2020 08:51AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

They're currently doing better than Ireland.

So, if this is your judgement of the U.S - what is your judgement on how our leaders are doing?

Most people coming out with foolish statements like "America is fooked" etc. Are not actually basing it on anything solid. It's mostly just wishful thinking, because they're so blinded by hatred of Trump!

Look at all the stupid stuff our CMO has come out with over the last few weeks, getting so many things badly wrong... or all the pointless vanity and preening of our Taoiseach, with his PR sh!te while hundreds of people are now dying on our Island... but not a peep out of many of you??

Double standards! You defend our hopeless leaders to the hilt, no matter how poorly they perform, but then ridicule leaders in the U.S or UK... :rolleyes:

Has anybody else noticed the direct correlation between topics discussed? When criticism is being levelled against our leadership, the number of trump posts increases dramatically on this thread. -> look over there!

Interesting .... :rolleyes:

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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