The Chinese Big Lie

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe. I dunno. It's still what I suspect would have happened had covid not showed up. Pulling back from Afghanistan/Iraq to consolidate/resupply and then hitting Iran for some trumped up stuff. Probably the nuclear crap again.

I just don't see any political appetite for it in the US, the West or the American public. If anyone was going to do it, it would have been Trump a year out from an election year. That has passed now.
However, I have zero doubt that the CIA and some special forces are active in the country. That will be the extent of American forces on the ground for the foreseeable future.

Except it's not. Relationships between the US and it's traditional allies in Asia are at an all time low. Anti-western sentiment is higher than ever before, and there are more talks than before about renegotiating the military base leases.

There is a difference between accepting US military hardware and being bosom buddies with them. Japan has never been a strong ally of the US... it's simply accepted their presence. S.Korea being the same.

I personally think you are over-egging the pudding on this point. What evidence do you have that US and East Asian relationships are at an all-time low?
Some Trump speeches on the campaign trail? A few local protests, which have always happened?

As I mentioned, a more aggressive nationalistic China will focus minds and soften people's cough in relation to having the Americans having your back.
There are always people like RBB in every country by the way, I would not take the squeakiest wheel as the main narrative.

Depends on what you expect to happen... Personally I can see China taking Taiwan.. and stopping there. Whether the US intervenes, is anyone's guess since they'd never have the forces there in time to stop the actual invasion.

The Americans having military personal there should be enough to give them a pause. If China attacks, and kills/targets the Americans in Taiwan, you think that would be the end of it?
The whole region would explode into hostility and China would be very much alone in that scenario.

Taiwan has been part of their rhetoric since the creation of the CCP, and the first Peoples' Congress. All of Asia knows that China will seek to return it to the fold. Beyond that, it's doubtful that China is a major threat to other countries, except for Japan, who they have scores to settle with.

So apart from Taiwan, and Japan and possibly South Korea who has a mad man on their border, the rest of them should be fine.
Come on, the whole region is like the Middle East, some wrong moves and the place could explode into war.

Of course, they're aggressors. They're aggressive both militarily and politically. However, per Asian culture, most of them will accept bowing the head in respect, and a little tribute, if it means being mostly left alone.

Who are 'most' of them? You just mentioned that Taiwan and Japan should be worried. The South Koreans are sure not to bow the head given their own experiences. Vietnam is a proud nation that know how to fight, as the Americans know. The Chinese would be warned about going there...

Lot's of talking... and little else.

How can you be so sure. Again, if it were all just talk and the Americans are so weak, why hasn't China taken Taiwan already?

Because China is still modernising it's military. They're simply not ready to take on the US. Better to be prepared, than merely applying wishful thinking. Besides, they'd been trying to bring Taiwan to them through diplomacy. Pretty stupid diplomacy, but diplomacy all the same. That ended with their behavior with HK... and they know that.

I think it's fanciful that if China invades Taiwan, there won't be a regional American backed response apart from just talk. At best for China, the suffer huge economic damage and fallout, at worst its the end of the CCP and Xi.

Xi promised Taiwan to the Military when he got into power. So it's a matter of face and survival for him to return it, one way or another.

You mentioned this a few times, but where did you read this?

Sure. But times change, and NATO has never been properly tested. I wouldn't be too sure that Asian countries would believe such an organisation to be suitable for them.

I suppose time will tell on who is right or wrong.

They're surrounded by US military bases, and the US has spoken of China as their enemy. That's enough to make anyone paranoid..

And I agree. Let go of Taiwan, scale back the miltary, and focus on modernising their country for the next century. Won't happen though. They need to prove themselves.

If its the case, then its folly. China will essentially risk it all for Taiwan. Pointless imo.

Disturbing content. Don’t watch with the sound on. I threw up when I heard it.

PBP/AAA types on the defensive on Twitter saying it’s racist to call for boycotts/sanctions against China.

https://twitter.com/cornilauth/status/1245943736930045953?s=21

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

What the absolute f**k does that video have to do with anything, honestly? Why put it in here?

Are you saying sanctions should be placed on China because some pyschos in a field (with no indication it's actually in China) tortured a dog?

It’s China alright. CCP bots are out in force claiming it’s the USA. This is most certainly the norm there.

Boycotts and sanctions should be placed on China for not cleaning up its act after SARS, for covering this up in the beginning and its treatment of doctors who identified this strain, for the treatment and imprisonments of Uyghurs and other minorities. You could make a list as long as a roll of toilet paper.

The same people defending the Chinese are the ones calling for sanctions against Israel and the USA.

Grab All Association wrote: »

It’s China alright. CCP bots are out in force claiming it’s the USA. This is most certainly the norm there.

Boycotts and sanctions should be placed on China for not cleaning up its act after SARS, for covering this up in the beginning and its treatment of doctors who identified this strain, for the treatment and imprisonments of Uyghurs and other minorities. You could make a list as long as a roll of toilet paper.

The same people defending the Chinese are the ones calling for sanctions against Israel and the USA.

I'm not someone who will remotely defend China. But that video you posted is most certainly not the "norm" there. Have you been to China?


Your second paragraph has legitimate issues, that you could argue the need for sanctions over I'm sure. Psychos in a field torturing dogs are irrelevant.

Guys, this is an interesting research article to read from Cambridge.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/covid-19-genetic-network-analysis-provides-snapshot-of-pandemic-origins?from=timeline

Bill Maher giving it some welly

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1248883434396610560