CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

BanditLuke · 09-04-2020 11:50PM

easypazz wrote: »

Would you ever cop on. Leave Irish people stranded all over the world. Not one country behaved like that.

We didn't even bother to check their temperature on return.

Embarrassing organisation of measures

AtomicHorror · 09-04-2020 11:51PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Whatever number of weeks it is, there remains the great unknown and that is the percentage of the population that has been infected, (and presumably immune if they survived), and consequently the percentage that have not been infected and therefore have no immunity.
Unless a widely available and effective antibody test is developed, it is difficult to see how a substantial relaxation of restrictions can be contemplated at all. And if it transpires that a substantial majority of the population has no immunity then how can life return to any kind of normality while the danger of another major outbreak persists.
Ironically, the more successful the lockdown is, the longer this nightmare will go on. A vaccine is our only real exit strategy.

I'd expect foreign travel restrictions will be one of the last controls to be removed. If the testing, isolation and tracing processes are properly scaled and kept running, that could be enough to keep the numbers low until there is a vaccine. But we would expect periodic spikes, with shorter term lockdowns being re-instituted during that time. Vaccine won't come fast.

We're certainly not going "back to normal" any time soon.

babybuilder · 09-04-2020 11:51PM

easypazz wrote: »

babybuilder wrote: »

What are you predicting, lockdown until at least July?

How long has China, Wuhan in particular, being under locked down? Other parts of China similar. From Jan 23rd until now. And only carefully organized limited easing. So let's say we can do it (and UK at same time) in 2.5 months. That's probably early to mid June initial easing. Then your testing, tracking and quarantining needs to be spot on to limit reignition of the damn thing. Depressing.

MaureensFry · 09-04-2020 11:56PM

So Ireland is resulting in 12% positive results from the number of tests done which I think is actually a fantastic number. This 12% hopefully will reach its peak next week to maybe 15% and then start going down and down and down. Hopefully to the 5% mark where restrictions can be loosened.

UK its 22%, Spain 43% and the US its 20%. These countries are going to take significantly longer so when Ireland does eventually get somewhat back to normal we have to close our borders to the UK, EU and everybody or risk been imploded with tourists and setting the whole thing off again.

Gradually we can people back to work again with restrictions in place, e.g People still work from home where can, people can return to work where strict measures are introduced to keep people safe, obey social distancing etc.

syngindub · 09-04-2020 11:56PM

worldometers needs to get dark mode going !!

bekker · 09-04-2020 11:57PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

There is actually a figure of people who died outside of hospital, I thought it was about 12%, I could be wrong. But yes, it's impossible to know how many healthcare workers are hospitalized or in ICU.

Missed that source but it would yieild 31/32 deaths outside hospital rather than the 6 implicit in the report.

That rather emphasises the point that I was attempting to make which was that the way in which the HSE is still presenting figures is indeed very muddled if not intentionally misleading.

It is usual when tabulating results that if one is using unrelated figures detailed/derived elsewhere to reference them to avoid confusion.

MOR316 · 09-04-2020 11:58PM

Person: “I can’t go because of CoronaVirus”
- Whiny
- Boring
- Weak

Person: “I've sworn an oath of solitude til the blight is purged from these lands”
- Heroic, Valiant
- People will assume you have a sword
- Impossible for them to check if you really have a sword because of Coronavirus

syngindub · 10-04-2020 12:01AM

should i cancel sky?

Cork Boy 53 · 10-04-2020 12:01AM

easypazz wrote: »

babybuilder wrote: »

What are you predicting, lockdown until at least July?

I think the lockdown will remain at current levels until after the June bank holiday weekend then maybe some gradual easing of restrictions after that until the end of September unless there is a huge spike in deaths during those months in which case there will be a clampdown again.

Shn99 · 10-04-2020 12:02AM

Do NPHET meet in the morning or evening?

Wolf359f · 10-04-2020 12:03AM

bekker wrote: »

Missed that source but it would yieild 31/32 deaths outside hospital rather than the 6 implicit in the report.

That rather emphasises the point that I was attempting to make which was that the way in which the HSE is still presenting figures is indeed very muddled if not intentionally misleading.

It is usual when tabulating results that if one is using unrelated figures detailed/derived elsewhere to reference them to avoid confusion.

They do go into some detail at the press conferences, especially answering journalists questions. But I swear to god the level of journalism is so bloody low, they don't seem to make a note and report on them.
Case in mind, George Lee missing the start as he was doing his bit on RTE and then proceed to ask the same questions that were already asked.

speckle · 10-04-2020 12:03AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Yes you'll find I was

you were absolutely. wasnt posting at that time only reading cos I was volunteering elsewhere re covid at the same time.

nocoverart · 10-04-2020 12:03AM

MaureensFry wrote: »

So Ireland is resulting in 12% positive results from the number of tests done which I think is actually a fantastic number. This 12% hopefully will reach its peak next week to maybe 15% and then start going down and down and down. Hopefully to the 5% mark where restrictions can be loosened.

UK its 22%, Spain 43% and the US its 20%. These countries are going to take significantly longer so when Ireland does eventually get somewhat back to normal we have to close our borders to the UK, EU and everybody or risk been imploded with tourists and setting the whole thing off again.

Gradually we can people back to work again with restrictions in place, e.g People still work from home where can, people can return to work where strict measures are introduced to keep people safe, obey social distancing etc.

GTFO with your positivity, most posters on here are preparing doomsday posts for Wave 4 and 5. How dare you!

AtomicHorror · 10-04-2020 12:05AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Yes you'll find I was

He was and all. Fair play.

I'd ask you for a tip. If there were any sports left to bet on.

stockshares · 10-04-2020 12:08AM

Shn99 wrote: »

Do NPHET meet in the morning or evening?

Morning I think. Last Friday their meeting finished at 4pm.

Cork Boy 53 · 10-04-2020 12:08AM

Shn99 wrote: »

Do NPHET meet in the morning or evening?

They are meeting tomorrow morning but any government announcement will not be until tomorrow evening.

MaureensFry · 10-04-2020 12:10AM

nocoverart wrote: »

GTFO with your positivity, most posters on here are preparing doomsday posts for Wave 4 and 5. How dare you!

We are in good shape to be honest. Reckon Middle of May we will be back up and running still with some restrictions in place.

The elderly on the other hand will go on for much longer unfortunately. Expect they will be advised to stay home till the end of June.

ceadaoin. · 10-04-2020 12:14AM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

He was and all. Fair play.

I'd ask you for a tip. If there were any sports left to bet on.

Chinese sports are starting to come back. No doubt you'll be able to bet in play soon, the bookies are dying to take bets on something!

Richard Hillman · 10-04-2020 12:27AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

People who called for the borders to be shut here around the start of March where called racists, weirdos, anti open borders and all other kinds of sh1t.

I said it then and I'll repeat it now, that mistake will cost us dearly in fact we might not have seen the level of restrictions we have now and may have saved many businesses from going to the wall not to mention the amount of lives saved.

But yeah racism etc...

The government were afraid of the economic effect of closing the borders to tourists before St Patricks Day. And Leo and Simon Coveney were afraid that it might harm their post governmental job opportunities with the EU/UN.

I think Pascal Donoghue even said something about hurting the Italians feelings ffs

If they had have shut the ports, given Irish residents/citizens a mandate of a week to come home or you're on you're own and left imports/exports as normal, we would be going about our daily lives as normal.

If this rearrises next year, I don't have much confidence on any party in doing the right thing and self isolating as a nation.

Strumms · 10-04-2020 12:30AM

syngindub wrote: »

should i cancel sky?

Can see where you are coming from but I’m not going to. Might be fûck all live sport but it’s going to be a boring couple of months ahead so whatever can provide a distraction.

I know it’s out of sky’s hands what’s happening but either way, the service is advertising to each of us on the premise of ‘LIVE SPORT’ being the premier attraction to us purchasing. They could make a gesture that would be appreciated whereby they offer existing customers two half price months or something.

bekker · 10-04-2020 12:30AM

Don't believe I can be alone in discerning the pronounced tendency among significant cohort of March and April registrants to compare apples to pineapples in order to reach a conclusion that we (the powers that be) are doing a fantastic job in this country and we'll all be back to normal soon.

Wonder how their appearance would correlate with periods of increasing public questioning of caretaker government, HSE et al on testing fiasco, nursing home clusters, and lack of action implementing powers for Gardaí.

Tell me how · 10-04-2020 12:33AM

bekker wrote: »

Don't believe I can be alone in discerning the pronounced tendency among significant cohort of March and April registrants to compare apples to pineapples in order to reach a conclusion that we (the powers that be) are doing a fantastic job in this country and we'll all be back to normal soon.

Wonder how their appearance would correlate with periods of increasing public questioning of caretaker government, HSE et al on testing fiasco, nursing home clusters, and lack of action implementing powers for Gardaí.

Could be confirmation bias you are seeing.

I'm seeing a lot of accounts from the same time frame who are warning of dictators making their moves.

Wolf359f · 10-04-2020 12:37AM

MaureensFry wrote: »

We are in good shape to be honest. Reckon Middle of May we will be back up and running still with some restrictions in place.

The elderly on the other hand will go on for much longer unfortunately. Expect they will be advised to stay home till the end of June.

Sigh.... It's not just the elderly, there's plenty of young people with underlying conditions who are at risk also.
There's plenty of young people living with elderly or at risk people. I have no idea how they can go back to normal either, if they become asymptomatic and arrive home.... It's a big issue

nocoverart · 10-04-2020 12:39AM

bekker wrote: »

Don't believe I can be alone in discerning the pronounced tendency among significant cohort of March and April registrants to compare apples to pineapples in order to reach a conclusion that we (the powers that be) are doing a fantastic job in this country and we'll all be back to normal soon.

Wonder how their appearance would correlate with periods of increasing public questioning of caretaker government, HSE et al on testing fiasco, nursing home clusters, and lack of action implementing powers for Gardaí.

Who the fook knows really. Lovely weather lately, go out and catch a few rays in your garden tomorrow. Vitamin Positivity is good for you.

MaureensFry · 10-04-2020 12:45AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Sigh.... It's not just the elderly, there's plenty of young people with underlying conditions who are at risk also.
There's plenty of young people living with elderly or at risk people. I have no idea how they can go back to normal either, if they become asymptomatic and arrive home.... It's a big issue

I get ya, sorry but we can't keep the country locked down just on the above.

They'll have to try accommodate themselves best they can, young person working living with elderly move in with other family members, move in with friends, keep isolated in their houses away from their family and stay in their bedroom etc.

Same applies with someone with an underlying illness living with people working, stay in their room, move in with elderly family members etc.

10-04-2020 12:47AM

MaureensFry wrote: »

They'll have to try accommodate themselves best they can, young person working living with elderly move in with other family members, move in with friends, keep isolated in their houses away from their family and stay in their bedroom etc.

Turn down the hob Maureen, there's a dear. This account is cooked.

Polar101 · 10-04-2020 12:51AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Yes you'll find I was

Excellent. Do you think you could move on and start looking at the future, instead of repeating what the government didn't do 1-2 months ago?

s1ippy · 10-04-2020 12:54AM

MaureensFry wrote: »

I get ya, sorry but we can't keep the country locked down just on the above.

They'll have to try accommodate themselves best they can, young person working living with elderly move in with other family members, move in with friends, keep isolated in their houses away from their family and stay in their bedroom etc.

Same applies with someone with an underlying illness living with people working, stay in their room, move in with elderly family members etc.

Your proposed policies are absolutely flawed and seeing as you're unqualified to make such proposals, completely groundless.

"We can't keep the country locked down"
On what basis? There has been a cost/benefit analysis which has measured potential loss of life against potential damage to the economy and this has so far determined that the best course of action is to remain cautious.

I repeatedly find myself having to say here (to posters who I variously suspect of being the same person) that in a scenario where I am part of a group that is being urged to return to their usual business, without adequate safeguards in place to ensure I don't get a virus for which there aren't any effective treatments, I will be politely declining.

Is your downtime really so mundane that you would risk death on a mass scale to get back to work?

MaureensFry · 10-04-2020 01:03AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Your proposed policies are absolutely flawed and seeing as you're unqualified to make such proposals, completely groundless.

"We can't keep the country locked down"
On what basis? There has been a cost/benefit analysis which has measured potential loss of life against potential damage to the economy and this has so far determined that the best course of action is to remain cautious.

I repeatedly find myself having to say here (to posters who I variously suspect of being the same person) that in a scenario where I am part of a group that is being urged to return to their usual business, without adequate safeguards in place to ensure I don't get a virus for which there aren't any effective treatments, I will be politely declining.

Is your downtime really so mundane that you would risk death on a mass scale to get back to work?

If people have an underlying illness that prevents them from going back to work give them the 350 euro a week until the vaccine comes out. Keep all the most vulnerable isolated.

I am not qualified no but your not either. We can't wait around 12-18 months for a vaccine to come out. I am fully in favor of the lockdown until the numbers come down to a good level. I would also be in favour of shutting down our borders when they do.

But the economy has to get going when the spread is manageable in a few weeks time. If people choose to stay at home and leave their job, that's up to them.

We can't all be living like hermits for the next 18 months.

Quantum Erasure · 10-04-2020 01:06AM

s1ippy wrote: »

"We can't keep the country locked down"
On what basis? There has been a cost/benefit analysis which has measured potential loss of life against potential damage to the economy and this has so far determined that the best course of action is to remain cautious.

...so far.

that will change in a few weeks

CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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