CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

Christy42 · 09-04-2020 10:54AM

So do we know if New York will report the home deaths as part of its official deaths or just only count hospital deaths and report home deaths as a separate figure. They have seen a massive spike of people dead when emergency services arrive. One worries that this could be more than just New York hiding a lot of deaths from this.

The more I see of other countries data gathering the better our numbers look. If we are counting nursing home deaths then simply put most countries should be higher on the per capita deaths than they are claiming in comparison to us.

kippy · 09-04-2020 10:55AM

beolight wrote: »

Now that’s proactive

Maybe instead of giving the a Police all the extra powers every village and town in the country should greet new visitors like this

The ports and airports should, that's for sure.

tobefrank321 · 09-04-2020 10:56AM

DisneyLover wrote: »

Back in work today. Still no results since the 24th but approved by my consultant to come back as I'm needed in pathology.

First day back and free Easter eggs for all hospital staff from he HSE.. medium malteaser ones too ! Ha

Joke of a testing system.

Nursing home staff are also complaining of not getting results back.

beolight · 09-04-2020 10:59AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

What I've learned from all of this is that some are just a bit slow on the uptake. Whether they be governments or individuals. Generally having a sit on the fence, lets wait and see, sure it'll be grand attitude to everything in life is an advantage. Not ruffling feathers , status quo observing is very important in day to day living.

we didn't want to ban parade to ruffle business lobbies feathers and appeased them by keeping the airports and pubs open.

we didn't want to ruffle the EU feathers by closing the borders. We had to wait for about 10 other countries to do it first before we had the courage to do so.

List goes on.

In a pandemic all bets are off.

Bumping this so more people will read it

Hopefully someone will tell Leo or his PR guy

09-04-2020 10:59AM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

It's too early to know for sure whether the new coronavirus is seasonal. To really know that, we'd have to watch how cases change in one place across the year.
But we can look at its spread in different climates across the world for clues.

Daylight may be a bigger impact in the long run. Maybe release tonnes of CFC into the atmosphere to deplete the ozone and kill the virus

New Home · 09-04-2020 11:00AM

DisneyLover wrote: »

Back in work today. Still no results since the 24th but approved by my consultant to come back as I'm needed in pathology.

First day back and free Easter eggs for all hospital staff from he HSE.. medium malteaser ones too ! Ha

NOW I GET IT!! This was all a ploy by healthcare workers to be given free pizzas, free Easter eggs, and free parking!! And free PPE!!! I'm on to you...

speckle · 09-04-2020 11:03AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

He’s in Spain, speckle. Cut him some slack

was meant as thats okay to feel that way. ☺

facehugger99 · 09-04-2020 11:06AM

Austria, Denmark and the Czech Republic beginning to lift restrictions. Hopefully we'll see similar moves from the Irish Government on Sunday.

By all means let Lockdown Larry and Bunker Bernie continue to curtain-twitch from the safety of their living rooms, but it's time to start to get the economy back up and running.

Tacitus Kilgore · 09-04-2020 11:07AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Austria, Denmark and the Czech Republic beginning to lift restrictions. Hopefully we'll see similar moves from the Irish Government on Sunday.

By all means let Lockdown Larry and Bunker Bernie continue curtain-twitch from the safety of their living rooms, but it's time to start to get the economy back up and running.

******** facehugger, that's a another good one

DevilsHaircut · 09-04-2020 11:07AM

'At least 15 of every 16 people infected with the coronavirus in Spain – more than 90% – have not been officially registered, according to estimates from the Spanish Health Ministry.'

'...a rapid [antibody/serology?] test will be carried out on each member of a household, and if it comes back negative, a more reliable PCR test will be carried out. The process will be repeated after 21 days.'

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

Ger Roe · 09-04-2020 11:09AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Austria, Denmark and the Czech Republic beginning to lift restrictions. Hopefully we'll see similar moves from the Irish Government on Sunday.

By all means let Lockdown Larry and Bunker Bernie continue to curtain-twitch from the safety of their living rooms, but it's time to start to get the economy back up and running.

Profit before people.... you're not looking to start up a political party, by any chance?:)

Alf Veedersane · 09-04-2020 11:09AM

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

Rob A. Bank · 09-04-2020 11:11AM

the.red.baron · 09-04-2020 11:11AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

And with asymptomatic people who don't know they have it, we should all be wearing masks.

are these people coughing and spluttering all over the place?

Doctors room ghost · 09-04-2020 11:11AM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

The early bird gets the worm,but the second mouse gets the cheese.

Fr_Dougal · 09-04-2020 11:11AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Austria, Denmark and the Czech Republic beginning to lift restrictions. Hopefully we'll see similar moves from the Irish Government on Sunday.

By all means let Lockdown Larry and Bunker Bernie continue to curtain-twitch from the safety of their living rooms, but it's time to start to get the economy back up and running.

Austria

Ireland

We’re not there yet.

Wibbs · 09-04-2020 11:12AM

is_that_so wrote: »

A YouTube video is not science, links to credible peer-reviewed papers is. I'm not sure why you continually feel a need to hold me to task over the NEPHT policy. They do not advocate it but that doesn't stop you or others wearing them. I believe there is a comfort in it. From my own "research" I see 10%, at most, wearing masks but I see almost everyone practising social distancing.

Our HSE and government response has been less than stellar and continue to be so. This is a demonstrable fact. They've bumbled along behind pretty much everyone save for the UK in this crisis. But please feel free to list where they got it right ahead of the curve. Bonne chance.

Secondly the two ways this virus infects is through contact with contaminated surfaces/people and then to the face/airways by way of the hands. Hand washing and social distancing reduces this pathway risk. Even imperfect hand washing and social distancing reduces this risk.

The second is by breathing in the virus directly into the airways from the exhalations of an infected person. Social distancing reduces this pathway risk and the further the distance the lower the risk. Coughing into a tissue, or even the crook on one's arm is recommended to reduce this risk. Yet something, a "tissue" literally covering the airways that directly reduces the path to the airways at source in both infected and non infected that clinicians and researchers in the SARS outbreak called "strongly protective" within the community somehow magically loses this efficacy to the point of zero outside a clinical setting? It's a patent nonsense. And it's a bigger nonsense to say it doesn't reduce risk within a population.

The more risk is reduced the slower the spread of this virus and the quicker we can restart our lives and society. Masks are just another weapon in that.

09-04-2020 11:13AM

beolight wrote: »

Red herring ? But the virus came in on a flight ....only one undetected or should I say unsuspecting carrier can restart the whole thing all over again

Even with community transmission the current laissez faerie attitude to visitors shouldn’t be allowed to continue

So what’s the point in all this if we can’t manage our visitors and with the current reduced numbers even easier to implement now

I recall a couple of weeks back all the stranded UK holidaymakers in Spain caught in the middle of an outbreak and not being allowed to get on a plane without a medical preclearance ( negative test)

China, South Korea, Taiwan , Russia to name a few are all screening airport arrivals

Trump is a law onto himself but he did make the call to ban flights against the perceived wisdom of the WHO so I will give him some credit for this action

But its a changed environment to when the virus first came. With no internal measures, absolutely the flights need to be restricted and controlled. But with internal restrictions we currently have, and a tiny volume of people coming in, the impact of travel is negligible

Wibbs · 09-04-2020 11:13AM

the.red.baron wrote: »

are these people coughing and spluttering all over the place?

You shed viruses when you breathe and talk normally.

Sofiztikated · 09-04-2020 11:13AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Austria

Ireland

We’re not there yet.

Don't even be at it, he won't care about your proof or reasonable comments.

Wibbs · 09-04-2020 11:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

But its a changed environment to when the virus first came. With no internal measures, absolutely the flights need to be restricted and controlled. But with internal restrictions we currently have, and a tiny volume of people coming in, the impact of travel is negligible

There's something to that R. It is a changed environment alright. But as we look to easing internal restrictions it seems prudent to have quarantine in place at our entry points.

Glenomra · 09-04-2020 11:15AM

josip wrote: »

You've got your very own beer garden until then.

only if you holiday in Sweden!!!!

Christy42 · 09-04-2020 11:16AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

'At least 15 of every 16 people infected with the coronavirus in Spain – more than 90% – have not been officially registered, according to estimates from the Spanish Health Ministry.'

'...a rapid [antibody/serology?] test will be carried out on each member of a household, and if it comes back negative, a more reliable PCR test will be carried out. The process will be repeated after 21 days.'

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

The link it has for the 90% line is a story that says a lot of people have not received results.

I mean I agree the true figures are higher than reported but I am willing to bet that the 90% is another up to piece that the media love to drop out. Seriously this thing is bad. I have no idea why people want to make it even worse. Unless they are completely lying about any and all testing I can't see how 90% is anything but an extreme upper bound for how many cases they have missed. It is an estimate of an impossible to predict number. There is no way they are going to come out with anything but upper and lower bounds with any degree of confidence.

McMurphy · 09-04-2020 11:17AM

Fairplay to the AGS and their response to anyone dumb or selfish enough to think of heading off to the caravan or home in the holiday areas.

I left for work this am at 0700 and have already been through a few checkpoints.

One on the N7 southbound (I was heading towards Dub, but could see the scale of the operation just a bit down from Potin Still)
Got stopped between Finglas and StMargarets.
Got stopped on the N4 west bound before Celbridge.

Hopefully it's enough of a deterrent.

the.red.baron · 09-04-2020 11:18AM

Wibbs wrote: »

You shed viruses when you breathe and talk normally.

does it though? Really

if it did you would be covered in the virus the whole time unless you worse a respirator full time

you would have to wash entirely when you left the house, everything you'd touch would be covered in it

Away With The Fairies · 09-04-2020 11:22AM

the.red.baron wrote: »

are these people coughing and spluttering all over the place?

There's aerosols that comes out when someone breathes out. No coughing, spluttering or sneezing needed to catch this virus.

the.red.baron · 09-04-2020 11:24AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There's aerosols that comes out when someone breathes out. No coughing, spluttering or sneezing needed to catch this virus.

then a mask is useless and we are all dead

Wibbs · 09-04-2020 11:25AM

the.red.baron wrote: »

does it though? Really

Yup TRB. This doctor chap who has been very much on the ball from very early on in this crisis outlines it here(it's worth going right back to the start of his vids to see how on the ball he was).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycf6bAMKgjg

He can drag things out, but of late he's been giving the general gist in the first few minutes. In essence coughing fires virus droplets much further than two metres, sneezing fires it a scary distance, but just talking and breathing also fire it out. Have you ever been around one of those , the say it don't spray it types? They'd be the extreme end, but give some of an idea about how far it can spread.

the.red.baron · 09-04-2020 11:26AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yup TRB. This doctor chap who has been very much on the ball from very early on in this crisis outlines it here(it's worth going right back to the start of his vids to see how on the ball he was).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycf6bAMKgjg

He can drag things out, but of late he's been giving the general gist in the first few minutes. In essence coughing fires virus droplets much further than two metres, sneezing fires it a scary distance, but just talking and breathing also fire it out. Have you ever been around one of those , the say it don't spray it types? They'd be the extreme end, but give some of an idea about how far it can spread.

again, if this was the case this and every other virsus would be super contagious and everywhere

and yet its not the case

i will also accept twitter comments as proof

rm212 · 09-04-2020 11:26AM

the.red.baron wrote: »

does it though? Really

if it did you would be covered in the virus the whole time unless you worse a respirator full time

you would have to wash entirely when you left the house, everything you'd touch would be covered in it

Damn those immortal viruses, not like they die when outside a host for a while or anything. Everything you touch does get covered with it for a while. Same with your clothes etc.

CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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