Running, Corona Virus and Social Distancing

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 09:55AM

adrian522 wrote: »

And No, I don't expect any new restrictions in the next few days.

Ok.

I hope it's not required. But I think you'll be wrong on this one. I think new rules are going to come in on jogging with the next push to restrict spread.

Hannibal_Smith · 09-04-2020 09:56AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO mentioned it in the daily briefing you don't watch.

Obviously with more numbers comes more inexperience and people who would not be aware at all times of their distance.

I have had joggers run within centimeters of me in the last few days.

What do you have to say about that?

Are you going to defend that?

And if you are not going to defend it what is your solution?

If that's your experience no one can dispute it.

But it's certainly not my experience. When I see people coming towards me I examine my options. Either dip on to the road, or hug the fence/wall. Generally people are walking in couples and I find myself on the road because they will not reciprocate the courtesy.

There are more people out and about because it's the only thing keeping us all sane. This idea that anyone has monopoly over the footpaths is bizarre.

average_runner · 09-04-2020 09:57AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ok.

I hope it's not required. But I think you'll be wrong on this one. I think new rules are going to come in on jogging with the next push to restrict spread.

They should be more focus on the ones going to holiday homes etc. Talking to friends down home, its a total joke now. A farmer down home has blocked one family in and told he would move the trailer if they go home

Stark · 09-04-2020 09:59AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't care whether you believe it - i'm not going back to find the exact time and quotes for you.

It was the one before yesterday. Go back and watch - it's in the journos Q&A - you can watch on RTE

Health chiefs also said they had no difficulty with people jogging as long as they stick to social distancing guidelines.

Dr Holohan added: “If people jog they have to observe those distances because people are sweating and there is a greater risk of transmission in those kind of situations.

“If you are jogging observe the absolute minimum of two metres and do it alone.”

This what you're referring to? ^^. It's from the briefing before yesterday.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 10:02AM

average_runner wrote: »

They should be more focus on the ones going to holiday homes etc. Talking to friends down home, its a total joke now. A farmer down home has blocked one family in and told he would move the trailer if they go home

I don't disagree.

I am expecting sweeping rules to come in the next few days to give a big push to reducing spread.

We can't afford to mess this up. We open up slightly and have an explosion in cases and you will see a lock down like you have never seen within a week. You'll need permission just to leave your home. There will be no running then.

That's the tightrope the country is walking.

And to be blunt if that means some of us can't jog for a while then that's how it will be - I don't see how people can reasonably complain given the risks to the state.

It's mind boggling.

rainbow kirby · 09-04-2020 10:04AM

I'm a runner who has gotten over Covid-19 (a case just below the threshold for hospital admission and with two secondary infections, so nothing trivial) and will be running as soon as the post-viral fatigue lifts enough to let me run (at a very, very easy pace - most likely starting with run/walk at quiet times). I'm currently walking every day to build my strength back.

Tell me again exactly what's wrong with that.

rovers_runner · 09-04-2020 10:04AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't care whether you believe it - i'm not going back to find the exact time and quotes for you.

It was the one before yesterday. Go back and watch - it's in the journos Q&A - you can watch on RTE

You're a health nut - you should be watching every day.

Again you misdiagnose the problem due to bias.

The fact is not all joggers are abiding by those rules. You know it, I know it. It's not a debate.

And that's why restrictions are likely (not saying it will happen but I think it's likely).

Kermit,
While on my run last night I passed dozens of people nobody had a problem with each other.
Take the following example, who is in the wrong here?
By your reasoning if the walkers are in the wrong surely nobody should be allowed outside their doors except in a car to go to hospital/shops/work/pharmacy?

Location:
Standard Fire road in the woods, around 4m wide minimum, if you exercised yourself I wouldn't have to paint the picture.
Two walkers see me approach, they also have a dog without a leash, but that's par for the course now, so we all nod to say hello.
They split from each other across the path to either side of the ditch.

Do I:
A. Continue my run down the middle of the path between them, smile, say hello.
B. Act like a boards.ie contrarian and lecture the poor people about distances and how we are all going to die because Kermit said so.

Awaiting your advice before I carry on regardless.
Yours, etc.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 10:10AM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

If that's your experience no one can dispute it.

But it's certainly not my experience. When I see people coming towards me I examine my options. Either dip on to the road, or hug the fence/wall. Generally people are walking in couples and I find myself on the road because they will not reciprocate the courtesy.

There are more people out and about because it's the only thing keeping us all sane. This idea that anyone has monopoly over the footpaths is bizarre.

That is my experience - in fairness it's a minority (the type that strike me as only taking running up now).

I have more contempt for the groups walking btw.

average_runner · 09-04-2020 10:12AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't disagree.

I am expecting sweeping rules to come in the next few days to give a big push to reducing spread.

We can't afford to mess this up. We open up slightly and have an explosion in cases and you will see a lock down like you have never seen within a week. You'll need permission just to leave your home. There will be no running then.

That's the tightrope the country is walking.

And to be blunt if that means some of us can't jog for a while then that's how it will be - I don't see how people can reasonably complain given the risks to the state.

It's mind boggling.

You do know there is going to be an explosion of cases at some stage. This thing isn't going away. We will all have to live with this and get on with our lives within the next 5 weeks.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 10:14AM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

I'm a runner who has gotten over Covid-19 (a case just below the threshold for hospital admission and with two secondary infections, so nothing trivial) and will be running as soon as the post-viral fatigue lifts enough to let me run (at a very, very easy pace - most likely starting with run/walk at quiet times). I'm currently walking every day to build my strength back.

Tell me again exactly what's wrong with that.

It can be spread for up to two weeks after your symptoms end apparently - that's Chinese research because that is all the world has to go on.

Presumably you are good to go after that but who knows?

Vinnie222 · 09-04-2020 10:18AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It can be spread for up to two weeks after your symptoms end apparently - that's Chinese research because that is all the world has to go on.

Presumably you are good to go after that but who knows?

Wrong again, you are good to go after you have had no fever for 5 days and it has been 14 days since you first developed symptoms. Hse guidelines

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 10:20AM

average_runner wrote: »

You do know there is going to be an explosion of cases at some stage. This thing isn't going away. We will all have to live with this and get on with our lives within the next 5 weeks.

There will be a lot more cases but not in a surge that overwhelms the health system.

This illustrates the trap perfectly

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Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 10:21AM

Vinnie222 wrote: »

Wrong again, you are good to go after you have had no fever for 5 days and it has been 14 days since you first developed symptoms. Hse guidelines

I think you misread what I typed.

It can be spread for up to two weeks after your symptoms end. 14 days. That's thought to be the case.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-spread-after-recovery.html

A small study out of China suggests that the new coronavirus can persist in the body for at least two weeks after symptoms of the disease clear up.

This sort of persistence isn't unheard of among viruses, experts told Live Science, and thankfully, the patients are most likely not very contagious in the post-symptom period.

Vinnie222 · 09-04-2020 10:25AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think you misread what I typed.

It can be spread for up to two weeks after your symptoms end. 14 days. That's thought to be the case.

I didn't. Nothing in our guidelines to suggest that.

RacoonQueen · 09-04-2020 10:27AM

So according to kermit.de.frog - runners can no longer run, but the paths which they normally run on where they rarely see walkers that are now full of walkers, those walkers can stay...but runners have to give up the thing they always do so other people can do something they never normally do.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 10:29AM

Vinnie222 wrote: »

I didn't. Nothing in our guidelines to suggest that.

Yeah, what's known is thought to be at least 2 weeks (all be it thought to be not very contagious). I edited my post.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 10:31AM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

So according to kermit.de.frog - runners can no longer run, but the paths which they normally run on where they rarely see walkers that are now full of walkers, those walkers can stay...but runners have to give up the thing they always do so other people can do something they never normally do.

Not what I ever said :rolleyes:

I know, and gardai have powers to break those groups up.

In response to groups of walkers which I dislike quite a bit more than runners.

MonkstownHoop · 09-04-2020 10:32AM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

So according to kermit.de.frog - runners can no longer run, but the paths which they normally run on where they rarely see walkers that are now full of walkers, those walkers can stay...but runners have to give up the thing they always do so other people can do something they never normally do.

That's my biggest gripe with all of this, I work either 5-1 or 6-2 Mon-Fri so I can't run early before work during the week, between 2-4 was always the time I trained, so not only am I getting up and walking into the firing line on a daily basis I'm now being told that I can't do what I love after work because all these walkers don't like it, maybe they should stick to their usual work hours and go for walks then, it's ridiculous.

RacoonQueen · 09-04-2020 10:37AM

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

That's my biggest gripe with all of this, I work either 5-1 or 6-2 Mon-Fri so I can't run early before work during the week, between 2-4 was always the time I trained, so not only am I getting up and walking into the firing line on a daily basis I'm now being told that I can't do what I love after work because all these walkers don't like it, maybe they should stick to their usual work hours and go for walks then, it's ridiculous.

Yep, it is really putting me off getting out. Usually you'd only come across a couple of people on most of my routes, but everywhere extremely busy at the moment and people have always been ignorant with taking up paths when walking, using their buggies as weapons etc that hasn't changed a huge amount.

sideswipe · 09-04-2020 10:40AM

https://twitter.com/Justin_Britton/status/1247981838339133441?s=20

https://twitter.com/BertBlocken/status/1247540730425249799?s=20

Looks like the toxic sweat is a thing! Not sure what the 'runners' in this animation are doing but it looks like they are running along coughing or sneezing. Can't say I've ever done that....perhaps this is what a snot rocket looks like in infra red?

average_runner · 09-04-2020 10:41AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There will be a lot more cases but not in a surge that overwhelms the health system.

This illustrates the trap perfectly

Graphs are only a guidance, Singapore gone into another shutdown

Hannibal_Smith · 09-04-2020 10:44AM

Tabnabs wrote: »

A recent Belgian-Dutch study has applied the already known science regarding slipstreaming and looked at it from the perspective of social-distancing and corona virus.

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08

Get outta people's slipstreams you

Ed...... · 09-04-2020 10:48AM

Have the anti exercise gang been planted here to keep you guys busy on boards and off the roads.ðŸ˜‰

IvoryTower · 09-04-2020 10:52AM

we run at 7am m8, these trolls keep s busy while we pretend to work from home

The Bishop Basher · 09-04-2020 10:55AM

I’m a runner myself but I’ve stopped running on the paths for the time being.

Went out early for a walk this morning and the number of inexperienced runners huffing, puffing and snottering past within feet of me was a real issue tbh.

Experienced runners (ie those not huffing and puffing) seem to be a lot more aware and considerate.

I spent most of the walk on the road which is fine but it would be nice if other people could be a little less selfish.

Normally I think everyone should get out running. It’s a great way to maintain your physical and mental well-being but I do believe it adds extra risk at the moment when done in close proximity to others.

Unfortunately running on the now busy paths takes you in close proximity which is why I’ve stopped.

IvoryTower · 09-04-2020 10:59AM

These fun running bastards are ruining it for the rest of us

backofthepack · 09-04-2020 11:03AM

The main issue is people not getting that you don't have to socially distance from people in your household.
So four people from the same house don't need to stretch across a path blocking it for everyone.
In the fields yesterday a family were stretched across the walkway so there's literally no where for anyone to pass them, runner or not

TFBubendorfer · 09-04-2020 11:06AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It can be spread for up to two weeks after your symptoms end apparently - that's Chinese research because that is all the world has to go on.?

A small study out of China suggests that the new coronavirus can persist in the body for at least two weeks after symptoms of the disease clear up.

This sort of persistence isn't unheard of among viruses, experts told Live Science, and thankfully, the patients are most likely not very contagious in the post-symptom period.

<mod>Let me make one thing very clear. You can argue against running as much as you want. I disagree, and so does the health minister, but you're entitled to your opinion. However, deliberately spreading misinformation about Covid-19 to suit your agenda is completely out of order. Any further infraction of that matter, from anyone, will result in a lengthy ban.</mod>

hmmm · 09-04-2020 11:15AM

When you're walking, most people are having this little dance where people are trying to stay out of each others way. We've time to do this. There's a lot of "will I move on to the road or will they" in my area. There's also the few gob****es who are oblivious to the world, and will pass a foot from you.

With runners and joggers there's less time and just a small bit more stressful. I suggest that joggers could help public perceptions by making very clear moves early on to indicate that they are going to move out of the way.

average_runner · 09-04-2020 11:17AM

IvoryTower wrote: »

These fun running bastards are ruining it for the rest of us

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