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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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  • #6152
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I hate repeating myself but unfortunately on a thread like this I have to. This pandemic started with 1 case in China 6 months ago.

    Just 1 case can cause hundreds more to be infected indirectly if it gets into the community.

    Once someome comes off a plane here they are in the community. How do you think they get to their place of residence?

    Those who have downplayed our open borders right now have been proven wrong time and again during this pandemic.

    In fact it worries me that people still don't understand the problem. Some even laugh it off or make a joke about it, forgetting that someone somewhere is going to end up in ICU because of these mistakes.

    Then don’t.

    You are doubting that air traffic into Ireland has greatly reduced. It has greatly reduced. Pretty much every plane I’ve looked closer at on Flightradar is a cargo plane. Though apparently pointing that out means one is an FG supporter. :confused:

    I don’t know, do you think there should be NO flights into Ireland? Is there no reason good enough to be allowed back into the country?


  • #6153
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    He's a religious zealot though, just as bad as Trump

    What has that got to do with what he is saying in the press conference now and the crisis in general ??


  • #6154
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    statesaver wrote: »
    What has that got to do with what he is saying in the press conference now and the crisis in general ??

    it was in response to the suggestion he would be a good president. He wouldn't


  • #6155
    dasdog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭dasdog


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    He's a religious zealot though, just as bad as Trump

    That may be the case but he is not out of his depth - the current leader is like a rabbit in the headlights


  • #6156
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    statesaver wrote: »
    They stopped flights from China 27th January. When did Ireland stop flights from China / Italy ?

    Complete lie and you know it. China USA flights continued for weeks and weeks after that date.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2020/03/12/italy-banned-flights-from-china-before-americait-didnt-work/#e93edce481ba

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2020/02/13/you-can-still-fly-us-to-china-if-you-need-to-go/#2f20751a637f


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  • #6157
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    kippy wrote: »
    Those who think we are at peak or plateau in terms of deaths doesn't understand numbers. We are a couple of weeks off it assuming reported infections stay at or below current numbers per day.

    Have you anything to back up your analysis?

    We are doing well. Its obvious.


  • #6158
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,768 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Trump "We are in great shape" . Leaves the room.

    Mike Pence "We find ourselves in the midst of a tough week"

    Seems to be Trumps strategy, spend 20 minutes telling the media how he is doing a great job then do a runner and leave Pence to deliver deaths and new cases


  • #6159
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    froog wrote: »
    I think there's zinc in some batteries? I'm off to lick a few anyway. What have i got to lose?

    I could tell you were a bright spark:D


  • #6160
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    statesaver wrote: »
    They stopped flights from China 27th January. When did Ireland stop flights from China / Italy ?

    Yeah, they didn't.

    "279 flights from China have arrived in the U.S. since Trump's travel restrictions were announced, "and screening procedures have been uneven,""

    When did he ban flights from Italy?


  • #6161
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    statesaver wrote: »
    They stopped flights from China 27th January. When did Ireland stop flights from China / Italy ?

    Ireland was slow as well. Still slow allowing ferries coming in.


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  • #6162
    rm212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I have no idea what you mean by that

    Very simple. Journeys are only supposed to be made for essentials. Vast vast majority of people shouldn’t need to use a major N road for those criteria.


  • #6163
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I'd say there could be a lot of the American population still fairly clueless about this virus.

    I would be worried about summer time here and importing potential cases from arrivals/tourists

    My son is in Boston. He tells me that people are well clued-in. There's a curfew from 9pm until 7am. Don't judge all Americans on the basis of Trump.


  • #6164
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    easypazz wrote: »
    Have you anything to back up your analysis?

    We are doing well. Its obvious.


    14 days ago the number of deaths for the day was 10.
    When announced the comments on this site were "OMG", "JEEZ","Now it's serious" etc.

    Total deaths then were 19.


    In the last 2 days a total of 51 people died and the total is now in excess of 230.
    Haven't seen any comments of horror about this.


  • #6165
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    1917... He can't even get the year of that pandemic right...which we have all heard 1,000 times recently.

    Getting confused with when they entered WW1 and if some of the research is to be believed started the train leading to the pandemic nine months later.


  • #6166
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    USA will likely overtake both Spain and Italy in the next 24 hours as the country with the most deaths


  • #6167
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭Polar101


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Ireland was slow as well. Still slow allowing ferries coming in.

    Need to import/export stuff too, ferries and planes are handy for that.


  • #6168
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Turkey and Brazil reporting numbers comparable to many of the large European countries now

    Turkey today 4.1k new cases and almost 90 deaths
    Brazil 2.1k cases and 133 deaths


  • #6169
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    it was in response to the suggestion he would be a good president. He wouldn't
    You claim appears to be based on anti-religious prejudice rather than any evidence of incompetence or malfeasance in office.


  • #6170
    Mike3549
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Just watched some foreign news, trumps hydrosomething + zinc actually gave some good results
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7news.com/amp/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/


  • #6171
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Need to import/export stuff too, ferries and planes are handy for that.

    Passengers.


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  • #6172
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,235 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    Can you explain it to us?

    On phone, but essentially there is a percentage of people who catch the virus who will die unless a cure or better treatment is found.

    If I catch the virus today, it may be 2-5weeks before my outcome is known.
    The deaths we are seeing now are generally from people who caught this 2-5 weeks ago.
    The numbers of confirmed cases we have seen in the past few days don't become part of the death statistics for a while yet.....
    In a nutshell and disregarding a few other variables.
    The more people that get it the more people die.
    The more of the confirmed cases exist in high risk areas the higher the toll etc.

    Don't get me wrong. We are generally doing well on a few fronts just pointing out we are nowhere near peak or plateau deaths unfortunately.


  • #6173
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,235 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Need to import/export stuff too, ferries and planes are handy for that.

    Non essential travel should have been restricted and enforced quarentine should have been set up as soon as cases started happening abroad based on risk assessments. They will definitely be in place as we move through the next month's and year and rightly so


  • #6174
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    kippy wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong. We are generally doing well on a few fronts just pointing out we are nowhere near peak or plateau deaths unfortunately.


    Old Joke

    Reminds me of that fella back home who fell off a ten-story building. As he was falling, people on each floor kept hearing him say, "So far, so good." Heh, so far, so good.


  • #6175
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    kippy wrote: »
    On phone, but essentially there is a percentage of people who catch the virus who will die unless a cure or better treatment is found.

    If I catch the virus today, it may be 2-5weeks before my outcome is known.
    The deaths we are seeing now are generally from people who caught this 2-5 weeks ago.
    The numbers of confirmed cases we have seen in the past few days don't become part of the death statistics for a while yet.....
    In a nutshell and disregarding a few other variables.
    The more people that get it the more people die.
    The more of the confirmed cases exist in high risk areas the higher the toll etc.

    Don't get me wrong. We are generally doing well on a few fronts just pointing out we are nowhere near peak or plateau deaths unfortunately.

    This, at least, is true. But the more we can flatten the curve, the more people we can save. The virus is coming for every one of us. We just need to distract it and slow it down, so that we can protect people when they get it.


  • #6176
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,235 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    polesheep wrote: »
    This, at least, is true. But the more we can flatten the curve, the more people we can save. The virus is coming for every one of us. We just need to distract it and slow it down, so that we can protect people when they get it.

    I don't disagree, am only trying to point out that we are not near peak/plateau in deaths per day and people really need to maintain a level of cop on with regards to their behaviour.


  • #6177
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Then don’t.

    You are doubting that air traffic into Ireland has greatly reduced. It has greatly reduced. Pretty much every plane I’ve looked closer at on Flightradar is a cargo plane. Though apparently pointing that out means one is an FG supporter. :confused:

    I don’t know, do you think there should be NO flights into Ireland? Is there no reason good enough to be allowed back into the country?

    Tell me specifically where I said flights into Ireland haven't reduced?

    I have made it clear if there was only one flight into Ireland from a hotspot then anyone on that flight is at risk of being cv19 infected.

    As for flight radar, do you watch it 24/7. Or like me do you check the Aer Lingus website for civilian passenger flights into Ireland? I know which is easier!


  • #6178
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    It's been posted here before but it's said that on average during normal times one infected person infects two others which after a while leads to 400 infections which can be attributed to the original person. During a lockdown this average goes down to 15 people. Quite incredible. I do wonder how low it could go if we were more innovative around essential work and travel e.g. in supermarkets why can't they set up click (or phone) and collect so that people aren't walking around a store but simply order beforehand and pick up their groceries at an allotted time? As a society we seem to do as little as possible in these situations rather than embracing the challenge and preventing rather than curing (I'm not including the amazing people in healthcare, science and the like in this analysis)


  • #6179
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    kippy wrote: »
    I don't disagree, am only trying to point out that we are not near peak/plateau in deaths per day and people really need to maintain a level of cop on with regards to their behaviour.

    You keep saying we are not near peak but you never offer anything by way of evidence to back that up.


  • #6180
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Yep know what you mean, plenty of reassignment going on in the cc where my missus works.


    Well I was holding out for Cork civil service this year, holding hope, but no movement on panel and even though I am being a whinger about things I do realise how lucky I am to still have a job in tourism.


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  • #6181
    beolight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Then don’t.

    You are doubting that air traffic into Ireland has greatly reduced. It has greatly reduced. Pretty much every plane I’ve looked closer at on Flightradar is a cargo plane. Though apparently pointing that out means one is an FG supporter. :confused:

    I don’t know, do you think there should be NO flights into Ireland? Is there no reason good enough to be allowed back into the country?

    Yeah air traffic has fallen significantly but daily non cargo flghts are still coming in from UK,France etcetc

    Lets not forget it only takes one person coming off a flight/ fishing ship/ ferry or crossing/ cross border train/ cross border bus/ cross border car/ cross border truck to restart this whole ball game and what draconian laws have been introduced to combat this threat? Smebody handing you a leaflet in the airport.
    Compar and contrast how our borders were patrolled during foot and mouth crisis

    Its hard to rationalse the public witch hunt that is gong on about people flouting the rules( now the law) by taking non essential travel to holiday homes etc. Break these rules( laws now ) and fines , jail time and public humliation can be the result. Yet same person can book a flight to wherever head over pick up the virus arrive home 2 weeks later and be handed( maybe) a leaflet! Or say a UK citizen can fly over here for essential business (repair a machine) and travel anywhere in the country at his leisure.

    Maybe instead of immediately defending Fine Gael and questioning the posters motive you should read the post again ...... unless we tackle/ protect our borders/ points of entry with proper checks/quarantine or insist all travellers to our country have a medical pre clearance stating they have tested negative we are only chasing our tails here..

    Its time people realise n the absence of a vaccine that all the social distancing, lockdowns, handwashing, coconing is pointless if our Politicans don't have the backbone to stand up to the EU and protect our own borders.


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