CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

harr · 08-04-2020 08:44AM

Mater ICU now full ..

Akrasia · 08-04-2020 08:44AM

Why aren’t there public health messages saying that people exercising follow a kind of one way system and should walk on the right side of the road even if there is a footpath.

If everyone walked on the right, then the only reason you would have to pass someone on the same side would be if you were overtaking them, it would hugely reduce the number of times you come into close contact with strangers this reducing the spread of the virus from community contact

Assetbacked · 08-04-2020 08:50AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s a pity groups out in public aren’t limited to 2. Post on Facebook earlier, father of a family of 5 complaining that people are getting too close to them when they’re out walking. 5 people on a footpath, I can only imagine how difficult it is to pass that gang without coming close, yet they’re the ones complaining.

Limit it to 2 people for the time being, make life easier and safer for all.

I've noticed this, both parents and two or more kids out as group. Such idiots. Split up into groups of 2/3!

stephenjmcd · 08-04-2020 08:50AM

harr wrote: »

Mater ICU now full ..

That's the original ICU beds, they have the additional ones available.

Hamsterchops · 08-04-2020 08:52AM

froog wrote: »

discouraging checkpoints? laughable. how exactly will that go?

"excuse me sir where are you going?"
"my holiday home in galway"
"you really shouldn't you know"
"nah i'm grand, see ya"
"bye now"

That's like a scene from Father Ted

harr · 08-04-2020 08:54AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That's the original ICU beds, they have the additional ones available.

Yes apologies I should have added that’s the normal allocation of ICU beds

splinter65 · 08-04-2020 08:55AM

harr wrote: »

Mater ICU now full ..

Just want to confirm this. RTÉ News Now

Away With The Fairies · 08-04-2020 08:57AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't think a transfusion is going to help if you are suffering from ARDS. Sounds very pie in the sky.

That doctor thinks they're treating the wrong disease and it's not ARDS.

stephenjmcd · 08-04-2020 08:57AM

harr wrote: »

Yes apologies I should have added that’s the normal allocation of ICU beds

No worries, just to add, the maters original ICU unit is 18 beds.

schmoo2k · 08-04-2020 08:59AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That's the original ICU beds, they have the additional ones available.

IMO this is promissing as it may well mean we locked down early enough - assuming the goal of lockdown is to ensure:
* ICUs never run out of capacity
* Lockdown is not too extreme

Ideally we want the 80% of folks who will get normal mild symptons to catch it and come out the other side (and go back to work) without running out of ICU capactity...

Snow Garden · 08-04-2020 09:01AM

sonofenoch wrote: »

Who's on 3rd?

No Who is on first, I don't know is on 3rd.

stephenjmcd · 08-04-2020 09:04AM

schmoo2k wrote: »

IMO this is promissing as it may well mean we locked down early enough - assuming the goal of lockdown is to ensure:
* ICUs never run out of capacity
* Lockdown is not too extreme

Ideally we want the 80% of folks who will get normal mild symptons to catch it and come out the other side (and go back to work) without running out of ICU capactity...

It's still a bad situation when the original 18 ICU beds are full. They can scale up an additional 18 in the high dependency unit, he did mention they can ventilate in additional wards if needed, so it sounds like they have a plan in place. Just hope it doesn't get to a point where the surge capacity is full.

is_that_so · 08-04-2020 09:05AM

Interesting Spanish plan , with rapid and PCR tests combined.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

08-04-2020 09:06AM

@The Dazzler

How’s things on your section of the frontline? Hope you’re doing ok.

Morning everyone

voluntary · 08-04-2020 09:06AM

schmoo2k wrote: »

Ideally we want the 80% of folks who will get normal mild symptons to catch it and come out the other side (and go back to work) without running out of ICU capactity...

We still have no idea what are the long term side effects of catching this virus. We don't know if ther'e not any permanent damage made which will only identify itself in months or even years ahead or even in the next generation.

As an example, if the virus would cause a high rate of infertility, would we even know that at this stage? I doubt.

is_that_so · 08-04-2020 09:07AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Why aren’t there public health messages saying that people exercising follow a kind of one way system and should walk on the right side of the road even if there is a footpath.

If everyone walked on the right, then the only reason you would have to pass someone on the same side would be if you were overtaking them, it would hugely reduce the number of times you come into close contact with strangers this reducing the spread of the virus from community contact

That this post gets more complicated as it goes on explains why they don't! The majority are doing what they should be doing.

Gynoid · 08-04-2020 09:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't think a transfusion is going to help if you are suffering from ARDS. Sounds very pie in the sky.

The point, or at least one of them, is that severe Covid does not present as typical ARDS. I watched the Dr Cameron videos now, he has been running an ICU Covid unit for the past week. He says the patients do not have the respiratory muscle fatigue that is usually an indicator for ventilation. They have extremely low oxygen saturation, he says ( which is a function of haemoglobin - I have not heard or missed hearing him say haemoglobin, that is from a link to the pre review paper idea). He says the ventilators should not be used to pressurise the lungs to mechanically make the patient breathe, as their lungs can breathe and the mechanical pressure may damage them. The ventilators should be used at low pressure settings but high oxygen settings. There is more, but you can follow yourself. A Dr Gattononi in Gottingen, Germany has published similar opinions that this is not typical ARDS.

Edit the transfusion idea was mine, from a different video where people were discussing haemoglobin. The atypical ARDS and oxygen and different ventilator methids etc is all from other sources

Bobtheman · 08-04-2020 09:10AM

is_that_so wrote: »

That this post gets more complicated as it goes on explains why they don't! The majority are doing what they should be doing.

Ah for **** sake. Passing somebody a few seconds won't get you the virus unless they cough on you.

Hamsterchops · 08-04-2020 09:12AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Why aren’t there public health messages saying that people exercising follow a kind of one way system and should walk on the right side of the road even if there is a footpath.

If everyone walked on the right, then the only reason you would have to pass someone on the same side would be if you were overtaking them, it would hugely reduce the number of times you come into close contact with strangers this reducing the spread of the virus from community contact

You mean, like in the States?

Walk on the right side
Since here in the United States we drive on the right side, walking on the right side feels natural. If everyone can agree to walk on the right side, we can avoid the bob-and-weave dance of sidewalk navigation, and avoid bumping into each other.
Walk on the edge of narrow sidewalks
Unless you are walking on a super wide sidewalk, stay near the edge to ensure that there can be a six-foot space between yourself and a passer.

petes · 08-04-2020 09:12AM

Bobtheman wrote: »

Ah for **** sake. Passing somebody a few seconds won't get you the virus unless they cough on you.

And what if they did cough on you?

schmoo2k · 08-04-2020 09:14AM

voluntary wrote: »

We still have no idea what are the long term side effects of catching this virus. We don't know if ther'e not any permanent damage made which will only identify itself in months or even years ahead or even in the next generation.

As an example, if the virus would cause a high rate of infertility, would we even know that at this stage? I doubt.

Maybe (but there is initial evidence that folks who had it with little to no symptons don't have any lung scarring at least) - but the same argument could be said from a mental and economic standpoint, if we went into complete lockdown with the goal of ensuring no one new contracted it.

Like most things its going to be finding the correct balance in the middle - reasnoble/practicle lockdown and no one dieing because there was not enough ICU / Ventalators available...

SNNUS · 08-04-2020 09:14AM

petes wrote: »

And what if they did cough on you?

Be 2 metres away FFS

is_that_so · 08-04-2020 09:14AM

Bobtheman wrote: »

Ah for **** sake. Passing somebody a few seconds won't get you the virus unless they cough on you.

Yeah, I know. Not sure why you're taking a swing at me as the other poster was suggesting that supercomplicated advice. Been inside too long, maybe?

IspeakcozIcan · 08-04-2020 09:17AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That's the original ICU beds, they have the additional ones available.

Just to add, they have moved non-COVID patients from the ICU to these additional beds so they are not all available.

There is an issue with staff now going forward. ICU nurses are highly trained and the standard is one nurse per patient. This might need to change.

petes · 08-04-2020 09:17AM

SNNUS wrote: »

Be 2 metres away FFS

Leave out the FFS please, it's use is moronic in this thread.

I was only replying to the poster who said 'unless they cough on you'. There should be no complacency although there is in the small minority.

Everyone should be two metres away.

niallo27 · 08-04-2020 09:19AM

voluntary wrote: »

We still have no idea what are the long term side effects of catching this virus. We don't know if ther'e not any permanent damage made which will only identify itself in months or even years ahead or even in the next generation.

As an example, if the virus would cause a high rate of infertility, would we even know that at this stage? I doubt.

It could also cause you to grow a second head but past experiences with similar viruses show the probability that this will not happen. Why post scaremongering stuff like this.

SNNUS · 08-04-2020 09:21AM

What annoys me with the walking is family groups who take over the whole path and look horrified when they see a single person approaching but will still take up the whole width of the path and still give the bad eye to the single person who is now on the road to avoid them.

Gael23 · 08-04-2020 09:26AM

ICU in the Mater is at capacity

is_that_so · 08-04-2020 09:26AM

SNNUS wrote: »

What annoys me with the walking is family groups who take over the whole path and look horrified when they see a single person approaching but will still take up the whole width of the path and still give the bad eye to the single person who is now on the road to avoid them.

I find it healthier to nod to people, get out of their way and ignore whatever malevolent thoughts they might have towards you. Life really is too short for all that anyway!

petes · 08-04-2020 09:26AM

SNNUS wrote: »

What annoys me with the walking is family groups who take over the whole path and look horrified when they see a single person approaching but will still take up the whole width of the path and still give the bad eye to the single person who is now on the road to avoid them.

From being mostly a pedestrian I could write a daily blog on these people!

CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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