Ozark [Netflix] (SPOILERS)

jimwallace197 · 06-04-2020 9:41pm

walshb wrote: »

He did cross my mind...

It just doesn't add up for me...

What reasons do people have for this, do you think?

There are plenty of lawyers in the world but there is only one Wendy

Lisha · 06-04-2020 9:51pm

walshb wrote: »

Guys, you’re killing me...

I went through all the deaths. One possibly stands out, but I could be very wrong...

Let me know via PM or put in spoiler tags..

Yes, me too please? I’ll make no apologies I watched while hsving high temps

Kermit.de.frog · 07-04-2020 12:39am

walshb wrote: »

He did cross my mind...

It just doesn't add up for me...

What reasons do people have for this, do you think?

You never see him being assassinated.

You never see the body. You see a body wrapped up. (Ruth could have asked to see)

Marty Byrd's reaction is so ambivalent (even for him) and curious in relation to it (like he knows something important and is keeping it from Wendy).

Wyatt telling Ruth very specifically and pointedly to not believe everything she hears in relation to it (this a kind of message to the audience i'd say).

The emphasis given to Ben explaining he wants to get to Knoxville so he can "lay low".

But mostly Marty's reaction for me.

J. Marston · 07-04-2020 1:07am

I really love that as Helen and the hired gun are watching the car sink she says "If you ever get word....let me know?" and he says "Absolutely" and then he just pops her in the head at the end of the season without saying a word like it's nothing.

Kermit.de.frog · 07-04-2020 1:09am

Use spoiler tags!

jj880 · 07-04-2020 1:14am

J. Marston wrote: »

Ffs

J. Marston · 07-04-2020 1:23am

Shít, my bad.

khaldrogo · 07-04-2020 1:28am

Does Julia Garner have any sort of scoliosis???

El Gato De Negocios · 07-04-2020 7:23am

Re the previous couple of speculative quotes - Season 3 spoilers within.

I dont see how this could feasibly be the case, the time lines do not add up and would be completely out of kilter with anything we have seen of Navarro. Marty would have to get to Navarro and somehow convince him to have Nelson not kill Ben, what reasons would he have for this, he had already agreed to give control of everything to Helen. Marty getting the FBI to go after the rival cartel leader happened after the whole Ben thing, yes? Unless Darlene was somehow able to get to Navarro and arrange something? Martys reaction is and always has been his reaction to everything. The only time I can recall him being anything other than measured was when he was being held captive and the heavy metal was blaring for a few hours.

I'd have to rewatch the last two episodes again but it would make no sense. The fact that Bens death or body were not shown for me was the right call, the death of a character often carries MORE weight when its not explicitly shown.

I will be absolutely sickened if he turns out not to be dead. It was some of the most powerful television I've ever watched, the entire arc of Ben and his powerhouse portrayal in episodes 8 and 9 would be pissed away and irreparably cheapened by having a convoluted plot around him not being dead.

walshb · 07-04-2020 1:43pm

khaldrogo wrote: »

Does Julia Garner have any sort of scoliosis???

Going by her funny walk?

khaldrogo · 07-04-2020 2:19pm

walshb wrote: »

Going by her funny walk?

Her posture, her frame....

walshb · 07-04-2020 2:30pm

khaldrogo wrote: »

Her posture, her frame....

Yes...she has a bit of an odd posture, walk and gait....leans over and waddles..

Don't matter.....still a peach!!!!

yourdeadwright · 07-04-2020 3:00pm

I really loved this season but something tells me they may have (or may not) wasted an absolute amazing character ,

To be fair I also felt at the end of season 2 they killed to many good characters but then this season was great

They really are not afraid to get rid of people are they ,

Still Ill · 07-04-2020 4:33pm

Maybe Marty has a brother we've never heard of who they can base an entire season around.

yourdeadwright · 07-04-2020 4:35pm

walshb wrote: »

Yes...she has a bit of an odd posture, walk and gait....leans over and waddles..

Don't matter.....still a peach!!!!

A peach really ?

I was only saying to my missus its the one show on telly with no stunning looking women , Wendy the best of the bunch and she's hardly stunning,

Again this is a good thing as it doesn't need to cheapen the product ,

Bullocks · 07-04-2020 6:03pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

A peach really ?

I was only saying to my missus its the one show on telly with no stunning looking women , Wendy the best of the bunch and she's hardly stunning,

Again this is a good thing as it doesn't need to cheapen the product ,

The one from the blue cat would be my favourite

Mantis Toboggan · 07-04-2020 6:06pm

Any takers for big Helen?

Bullocks · 07-04-2020 6:37pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Any takers for big Helen?

Ah yeah she has a certain appeal aswell but did she ever wear anything except those big trousers?

walshb · 07-04-2020 7:12pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

A peach really ?

I was only saying to my missus its the one show on telly with no stunning looking women , Wendy the best of the bunch and she's hardly stunning,

Again this is a good thing as it doesn't need to cheapen the product ,

Yes, very attractive girl...

J. Marston · 07-04-2020 7:14pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Any takers for big Helen?

Hands like shovels.

khaldrogo · 07-04-2020 7:47pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I really loved this season but something tells me they may have (or may not) wasted an absolute amazing character , .....

Anyone familiar with the tv series Banshee will have known already what an amazing actor Tom Pelphry(sp) is.

OmegaGene · 07-04-2020 8:47pm

khaldrogo wrote: »

Anyone familiar with the tv series Banshee will have known already what an amazing actor Tom Pelphry(sp) is.

he was also in iron fist

khaldrogo · 07-04-2020 9:04pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

he was also in iron fist

The less said about that tripe the better.......

MICKEYG · 09-04-2020 6:57am

Episode 9, wow!!
Both Laura and Tom knocked it out of the park.

OmegaGene · 09-04-2020 8:09am

MICKEYG wrote: »

Episode 9, wow!!
Both Laura and Tom knocked it out of the park.

Watched that one myself last night and it was very good
Got halfway through episode 10 and went to bed, it seems very dull after 9 but no doubt it’s building up to a massive ending
Helen is getting on my nerves now, she thinks she can launder money and get rid of Marty and co, she was better off not living in the ozarks imo

OmegaGene · 10-04-2020 6:53pm

What an ending that was, couldn’t help but laugh

10-04-2020 7:12pm

Statutory Ape wrote: »

I have not felt a pain in my soul watching any performance since Stephen Graham in The Virutes last year. That changed last night, probably the most gut punching portrayal of mental illness I've ever seen. The only one I can think of that came close was Peter Greene in the movie Clean,Shaven. Tom Pelphrey had me going from annoyance at him to being virtually in tears, a monumental turn from him.

My favourite season so far, fcuking loving it and dying for more.

He was brilliant in Banshee too, so it begs the question "Just how $hit was the direction on Iron Fist?"

10-04-2020 7:24pm

khaldrogo wrote: »

Anyone familiar with the tv series Banshee will have known already what an amazing actor Tom Pelphry(sp) is.

And if you are not familiar with Banshee, cop the fvck on and treat yourself. Now that would be a show I would love to see, for the first time, during the lockdown.

Basq · 11-04-2020 2:45pm

Gave up on this a few years ago when it first aired..

But having watched them all in the 2 weeks, I regret it.

Such a great show.. Laura Linney's performance this year (in episode 9 particularly) deserves all the awards going.

Also -

Wyatt and Darlene.. that's just all a bit vomit inducing!

California Dreamer · 13-04-2020 11:37pm

Binged through the 3 seasons in a week.

Julia Garner was easily my favourite. She had a small role in The Americans which I loved as well.

I have looked online and apart from the shock of the storyline there is not much being said about the filming etc about the Charlie Tahan/Lisa Emery “thing”

SCOOP 64 · 13-04-2020 11:50pm

Whens season 4 ?

OmegaGene · 14-04-2020 7:25am

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Whens season 4 ?

Series 4 won’t be around until next year at the earliest
Covid19 will slow down many of a favourite tv programmes

22-04-2020 10:55am

Just started Season 1, four episodes in. It's very good indeed. The perfect thing to watch after 'Better Call Saul' season 5.

Barna77 · 23-04-2020 12:14am

Jesus Christ, episode 9!

Basq · 23-04-2020 12:29am

Barna77 wrote: »

Jesus Christ, episode 9!

Yep, it's a belter!

RedRochey · 23-04-2020 12:18pm

What are people's thoughts on Jonah and

the shotgun scene with Helen

? He could be a wildcard now

California Dreamer · 23-04-2020 1:08pm

All the killing that has gone on with that show and I am still traumitized by

Wyatt going balls deep into Darlene

:D:D

Turquoise Hexagon Sun · 23-04-2020 1:22pm

Finished Season 3. Love it. Was an early viewer of Ozark. Those that compared it and dismissed it after one episode or compared it to that other overrated TV show are missing out. Imagine quitting after 1 or 2 episodes, you wouldn't even know who Ruth Langmore is. I think the show is as good as Fargo TV series, and a top-10 how - not in The Sopranos or The Wire or Boardwalk Empire leagues but close up there. In it's genre, it's one of the best.

Anyway spoiler talk next:

Was hard to see Helen go. She was a great character and superbly acting. What soften blow that Ben and Helen got whacked is that they were becoming infuriating. I started to hate both of them. It's one of those shows that I just want Marty, Weny and Ruth to succeed. Marty does some bad things but he's never too unlikable like other characters in TV shows compared with Ozark.

Was happy to see Ben get whacked. He was such a liability. And I don't mind characters being killed off at all. That's the life. Thats what happens and it only means that if they can bring in good characters and kills them, they can bring in good characters again

Love that Bateman directs too.

Bateman is now a filmmaker to me. He's not an actor anymore. A fine filmmaker too.

California Dreamer · 23-04-2020 2:37pm

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

Anyway spoiler talk next:

Was happy to see Ben get whacked.

But that was an open ended question,
Did we actually see Ben get killed? NO. We just saw a body going into the crematorium. I think there was a side deal done there hence why we actually see Helen geting killed

Basq · 23-04-2020 3:35pm

California Dreamer wrote: »

But that was an open ended question,
Did we actually see Ben get killed? NO. We just saw a body going into the crematorium. I think there was a side deal done there hence why we actually see Helen geting killed

If you don’t see someone get killed on screen, then it probably didn’t happen..

Wouldn’t be suprised if he turns up next year tbh.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun · 23-04-2020 5:42pm

California Dreamer wrote: »

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

Anyway spoiler talk next:

Was happy to see Ben get whacked.

But that was an open ended question,
Did we actually see Ben get killed? NO. We just saw a body going into the crematorium. I think there was a side deal done there hence why we actually see Helen geting killed

I don't think it's that at all. I could be wrong.
I'm pretty sure I read that we don't see Ben getting whacked because it's not really about him. What was more important to the writers was Wendy's reaction. They felt seeing him die would take away focus from the emotional gravity of what Wendy is experiencing. Makes sense to me. I didn't necessarily have to see him die. I felt bad for him knowing that Wendy just left him there. Even though I was beginning to hate Ben, I felt awful, knowing what was about to happen him. Knowing that at some stage he must have known that his own sister abandoned him there. And all his stuff would have been in the car and he didn't have it with him.

Wendy also asked him that question about where Ben see's himself in 5 years. It was her clinging on to a fantasy. Ben is so deluded that it was going to be something hopeful. Inspiring. She knew what was going down so she wanted to share some hypothetical fantasy-future with him.

@Basq: That's not necessarily true. It's not really a rule of thumb. Maybe in a soap opera. But I can think there more reasons why someone else would get killed off screen.

We didn't see the therapist killed either. Just the body wrapped up.

And I agree with this point that Evan Romaro makes..

For narrative purposes, it just serves the story so much more for him to no longer be among the living—for Wendy to make the ultimate sacrifice of losing her brother for her criminal enterprise hits hard. If it turned out that Ben was alive, on the run, hiding away somewhere, all of the power behind that gut punch of a plot twist would be lost.

EDIT: can't find the source where I read about the writers. Can probably discount it now.

Again, I could be wrong.

Sugarlumps · 24-04-2020 8:57am

Fantastic season. Bateman would make a great president.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun · 25-04-2020 6:03pm

Batemen is great all right. I love Marty and Wendy as characters. Both brilliant in their problem solving skills. Both really good at what they do. Sometimes I root for Wendy, and some times I root for Marty. Both have been wrong. But both have been "right" when the other was "wrong."

25-04-2020 6:07pm

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

Batemen is great all right. I love Marty and Wendy as characters. Both brilliant in their problem solving skills. Both really good at what they do. Sometimes I root for Wendy, and some times I root for Marty. Both have been wrong. But both have been "right" when the other was "wrong."

Wendy is far more dangerous than Marty though. He's an automaton who will do what ever is necessary for his family, he does not give 2 fvcks about anyone else and is a calculating, cold, and dangerous guy

But...
Wendy enjoys it, she is definitely the one who could be a criminal mastermind. She has the ambition, drive, and active disregard for others that Marty does not.

JP Liz V1 · 29-04-2020 12:03am

walshb wrote: »

Performance of the season was without doubt the character of Ben, Wendy’s brother..his portrayal of a man suffering with bipolar was very very moving. Powerful stuff!

I like Tuth, but find that sometimes they push her character a bit too much..kind of need to tone it down a little..

Statutory Ape wrote: »

I have not felt a pain in my soul watching any performance since Stephen Graham in The Virutes last year. That changed last night, probably the most gut punching portrayal of mental illness I've ever seen. The only one I can think of that came close was Peter Greene in the movie Clean,Shaven. Tom Pelphrey had me going from annoyance at him to being virtually in tears, a monumental turn from him.

My favourite season so far, fcuking loving it and dying for more.

Tom Pelphrey as Ben was amazing, Emmy winning

Car99 · 29-04-2020 12:06am

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Tom Pelphrey as Ben was amazing, Emmy winning

+1 on that.

De Bhál · 15-05-2020 12:08pm

4 episodes into S3...top show

Car99 · 15-05-2020 11:42pm

De Bhál wrote: »

4 episodes into S3...top show

S3 is much better than S2

cloudatlas · 16-05-2020 10:46am

I've just finished season 1. The acting is great. The one thing that has bothered me is how fast they've become accustomed to their new life and trials. In that respect I feel that Breaking Bad was more realistic, you could see the slow shift over the series of the characters into moral depravity or dubiousness. Last night episode the first of season 2 was the first time that Wendy questioned any of it. I suppose the plot is so fast paced that they are subject to the plot and there is little time to rock back and forth in a corner crying so to speak.

ixoy · 18-05-2020 10:46pm

Best season so far. Particular standout was Tom Pelphrey, who was indeed also great in 'Banshee' and the best thing in 'Iron Fist'. His portrayal here really showed a wide range - the anger, the heart-breaking sadness. Really hope he gets recognised, knowing of course that a lot of these TV Awards are big love-ins for the familiar faces.

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